Bangladesh Air Force

[leonblack08]

Hope the pilot is safe, never good sight...

Unfortunately not.
There was a malfunction in the rocket pod and the pilot died in the crash. He was a senior and respected pilot from what I heard.

This is why Bangladeh needs to phase out these F 7s as soon as possible.

 

[Bilal9]

Unfortunately not.
There was a malfunction in the rocket pod and the pilot died in the crash. He was a senior and respected pilot from what I heard.

This is why Bangladeh needs to phase out these F 7s as soon as possible.

Inna lillahey wa inna ilaihey raji-oon.

He was a courageus sky-warrior knowing full well the risks of his profession and carried on in spite of it. May Allah grant him Jannah.

I agree that we have to phase out the F-7's ASAP.

Looked like the rocket pod exploded catastrophically (maybe because of a jammed rocket) and took out that whole one wing. See how he was spinning on axis before he hit the ground. Sad.

We have agents of RAW working in and outside Bangladesh making sure we never have a strong air wing. If you don't have air superiority - your tanks and infantry are just missile fodder.

 

[bluesky]

It is such a reliable engine on the Gripen E that you do not really need any more than a few spares.

GE engines last as long as the airframe on fighters.

This is what I found very promising about Gripen E.

"Gripen E, will have a cost from around 100 million us dollar, to 130 million us dollar (Brasil). So, Gripen will cost more to buy, than an F-35 A model. The maintenance cost is lower for Gripen E / NG than for F-35. So, it is less expensive to operate an airwing of Gripen E, compered to an airwing of F-35 A".

Now, read about the capability of BVR missiles below. It says BVR capability is not a formula for sure success and close combat/dogfight will remain the main way of air fighting. BVR missiles must be supported by other electronic devices on the ground and air．Lacking them, BAF should train its pilots more on dogfighting. Note that after BVR missiles are fired and miss out, the planes from both sides come close that requires dogfighting.

"During the Gulf War, the US Air Force launched AIM-7M and AIM-120 medium-range air-to-air missile for BVR attack under the condition of "one-way transparency", but the hitting rate was less than 30 percent".

 

[Dazzler]

Unfortunately not.
There was a malfunction in the rocket pod and the pilot died in the crash. He was a senior and respected pilot from what I heard.

This is why Bangladeh needs to phase out these F 7s as soon as possible.

PG/BGs are fairly new frames, but such things can happen. Overall, in PAF at least, PGs are known to be pretty reliable.

RIP to the pilot.

 

[The Ronin]

 

[Michael Corleone]

Hope the pilot is safe, never good sight...

He unfortunately died. One of the senior pilots in BAF, he was trained on sukhoi along with the chief... the funny part is the chief flew that exact same aircraft a week before this... nothing was wrong with the plane... crashed when the rocket pods bursted in flames and took out the wing

 

[UKBengali]

This is what I found very promising about Gripen E.

"Gripen E, will have a cost from around 100 million us dollar, to 130 million us dollar (Brasil). So, Gripen will cost more to buy, than an F-35 A model. The maintenance cost is lower for Gripen E / NG than for F-35. So, it is less expensive to operate an airwing of Gripen E, compered to an airwing of F-35 A".

Now, read about the capability of BVR missiles below. It says BVR capability is not a formula for sure success and close combat/dogfight will remain the main way of air fighting. BVR missiles must be supported by other electronic devices on the ground and air．Lacking them, BAF should train its pilots more on dogfighting. Note that after BVR missiles are fired and miss out, the planes from both sides come close that requires dogfighting.

"During the Gulf War, the US Air Force launched AIM-7M and AIM-120 medium-range air-to-air missile for BVR attack under the condition of "one-way transparency", but the hitting rate was less than 30 percent".

BVR missiles have become much more lethal since the Gulf War back in 1991.

So 1 missile has a hit rate of 30%, you "ripple-fire" them to almost guarantee a BVR kill.

You are right that pilots still need to train for WVR combat but most air-to-air engagements with 4.5/5th gen fighters will be BVR.

 

[UKBengali]

The best option for BAF is Thunder!

Already battle proven with outstanding performance against IAF Mirage2000.

But it is not just the fighter aircraft ..it is the entire ecosystem... BAF needs to improve.

With $5Bln BAF can lace itself with a very potent airforce ...

Blk3 is just one more step in the evolution of Thunder..future blocks will becoming!!!

No as BAF wants an absolute advantage over both MAF and IAF over the medium-long term in aircraft quality.
JF-17 Block 3 is still inferior to Rafale. J-10C is reputedly 40 million US dollars per plane and so only a little more expensive than block 3 and is a larger and better air-to-air fighter than JF-17.

BD is no longer destitute and has a 5 billion US dollar defence budget growing at 7-8% a year in real terms. Money is there and so best for go for the highest performing aircraft.

 

[mb444]

He unfortunately died. One of the senior pilots in BAF, he was trained on sukhoi along with the chief... the funny part is the chief flew that exact same aircraft a week before this... nothing was wrong with the plane... crashed when the rocket pods bursted in flames and took out the wing

Very tragic news regarding the pilot....

However it is not in the interest of indians and fast food shops of dhaka that our overweight and incompetent BAF chief meets an untimely end.

 

[bluesky]

BVR missiles have become much more lethal since the Gulf War back in 1991.

So 1 missile has a hit rate of 30%, you "ripple-fire" them to almost guarantee a BVR kill.

You are right that pilots still need to train for WVR combat but most air-to-air engagements with 4.5/5th gen fighters will be BVR.

BVR missiles have become a necessity but it is not that functional in areal war. With a 30% hit rate you need 4 missiles to target one plane. But, how many missiles are there in a single plane? BVR is not something like a TV game in practice. No longstanding war has yet proved the necessity of BVR.

So, whatever may be the trend, countries which have developed BVR capable jets have themselves also simultaneously taken care of training their pilots to do old-time dogfighting.

By the way, I am of opinion that BAF, BA or BN should opt for defensive war training. We just do not have the economic muscle or technology teeth to wage offensive wars, at least not against India. Even Pakistan, with so strong capacity, cannot do so. However, local wars are different and people all will fight if India tries to defeat us in an offensive war. India cannot win in our land.

This is why we should acquire defensive weapons like missiles (short, medium and long) that will keep our land and sky safe.

Anyway, this is an opinion from a novice.

 

[UKBengali]

BVR missiles have become a necessity but it is not that functional in areal war. With a 30% hit rate you need 4 missiles to target one plane. But, how many missiles are there in a single plane? BVR is not something like a TV game in practice. No longstanding war has yet proved the necessity of BVR.

So, whatever may be the trend, countries which have developed BVR capable jets have themselves also simultaneously taken care of training their pilots to do old-time dogfighting.

By the way, I am of opinion that BAF, BA or BN should opt for defensive war training. We just do not have the economic muscle or technology teeth to wage offensive wars, at least not against India. Even Pakistan, with so strong capacity, cannot do so. However, local wars are different and people all will fight if India tries to defeat us in an offensive war. India cannot win in our land.

This is why we should acquire defensive weapons like missiles (short, medium and long) that will keep our land and sky safe.

Anyway, this is an opinion from a novice.

Just look at the recent Turkish downing of Syrian jets using BVR missiles and they did not fire lots missiles to successfully down each plane.


BD best bet to deter India is to have enough forces to be able to cut-off the "chicken neck" and be able to cause massive destruction and casualties to Indian forces in NE region.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Very tragic news regarding the pilot....

However it is not in the interest of indians and fast food shops of dhaka that our overweight and incompetent BAF chief meets an untimely end.

The overweight dude have retired. Serniabat is a cool dude, he still carries on flying duty regularly

BVR missiles have become a necessity but it is not that functional in areal war. With a 30% hit rate you need 4 missiles to target one plane. But, how many missiles are there in a single plane? BVR is not something like a TV game in practice. No longstanding war has yet proved the necessity of BVR.

So, whatever may be the trend, countries which have developed BVR capable jets have themselves also simultaneously taken care of training their pilots to do old-time dogfighting.

By the way, I am of opinion that BAF, BA or BN should opt for defensive war training. We just do not have the economic muscle or technology teeth to wage offensive wars, at least not against India. Even Pakistan, with so strong capacity, cannot do so. However, local wars are different and people all will fight if India tries to defeat us in an offensive war. India cannot win in our land.

This is why we should acquire defensive weapons like missiles (short, medium and long) that will keep our land and sky safe.

Anyway, this is an opinion from a novice.

Bangladesh’s defense posture doesn’t seem to be of having offensive capability but maintaining a deterrence. To me it seems india overestimates it’s own capability
As for the BVR missiles, let’s not forget newer missiles like meteor. Maybe you don’t need 4 missiles for one target anymore. Maybe just 2... we would need to see that play out on war to judge if BVR is the way of the future with WVR going out of its way...

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh’s defense posture doesn’t seem to be of having offensive capability but maintaining a deterrence. To me it seems india overestimates it’s own capability
As for the BVR missiles, let’s not forget newer missiles like meteor. Maybe you don’t need 4 missiles for one target anymore. Maybe just 2... we would need to see that play out on war to judge if BVR is the way of the future with WVR going out of its way...

Meteor missiles or what, there is no guarantee of hitting a target plane. When BVR missiles run to the target, the target plane blocks it by electronic means from being hit and at the same time it itself flies to the source of missile.

It is only 2.5 minutes for it to cover the distance of 40 km even at a low speed of 1000 kph. Finally, it is a dogfight between the two.

Another point. An enemy plane enters our airspace either to destroy our land-based assets such as industries or heavy weapons like planes, tanks, missile batteries, and others. It is wiser to defend the assets more with land-based short, medium and long-range missiles. The country should spend money to equip the military with these weapons systems.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Meteor missiles or what, there is no guarantee of hitting a target plane. When BVR missiles run to the target, the target plane blocks it by electronic means from being hit and at the same time it itself flies to the source of missile.

It is only 2.5 minutes for it to cover the distance of 40 km even at a low speed of 1000 kph. Finally, it is a dogfight between the two.

Another point. An enemy plane enters our airspace either to destroy our land-based assets such as industries or heavy weapons like planes, tanks, missile batteries, and others. It is wiser to defend the assets more with land-based short, medium and long-range missiles. The country should spend money to equip the military with these weapons systems.

You’re the one who’s saying BVR o matter what fails but then goes on to suggest land based missiles to defend assets? Don’t you know those can be overwhelmed too but concentrated environment

 

[bluesky]

You’re the one who’s saying BVR o matter what fails but then goes on to suggest land based missiles to defend assets? Don’t you know those can be overwhelmed too but concentrated environment

I am talking against fully depending on BVR missiles, I am not saying that BVR missiles should not be fired. My point is it is not a sure success and people love to believe it is invincible.

I believe that three-layer land-based missile batteries may have a better chance with a greater number of missile stocks. Some of these missiles will go astray not to hit the planes but there will be a continuous barrage of missile attacks until the enemy planes are repulsed.

Note also the missile batteries are not always placed in fixed points. It can be placed on four-wheel vehicles that will be on move during an attack. Enemy planes cannot easily target moving vehicles. BVR/planes are too expensive but land-based missile batteries are not.