"Dude", there is no equivalence here. We are debating proven vs unproven technology here.
You are trying to wish Chinese fighter tech into superiority.
The claims of J-10s beating Gripens are all being made by Chinese parties. The Thais are not confirming no such claims. You have not "backed up" squat.
I am even ignoring the fact that the Thais would not expose Gripen's EW systems to the Chinese.
Does that mean J-10s are not superior to Gripens in WVR engagements? No! It means we do not know!
As for proving Gripen, if the wide export base of this jet among countries thar have multiple options open is not evidence enough for you, nothing would be.
It works both ways as far as exposing each other's EW systems to each other.
I am not wishing Chinese fighter tech into any superiority here.
Here are the FACTs and let us go from here:
2000s Gripen C with 80km range AMRAAM beat 1980s J-11A with 50km range R-77s in BVR but lost heavily in WVR.
This is hardly a Chinese source:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...ers-in-beyond-visual-range-combat-simulations
"The exercises saw the PLA deploy Soviet Su-27SK air superiority fighters against Thai Gripen C light multirole jets"
WVR:
"Had the Su-27, even in its weakest and oldest variant, not won overwhelmingly against the Thai Gripens in visual range combat, it would have raised very serious questions regarding the quality of Chinese pilots. As it was, the Flankers shot down 16 Swedish built jets for zero of their own number - a predictable result considering the massive discrepancy in flight performance. A second day of visual range engagements reportedly saw the Gripens perform slightly better, downing one Chinese Flanker for nine losses. This gave a kill ratio of 25:1 in favour of the Chinese Flankers"
BVR:
"Thus overall the Gripens enjoyed a highly favourable ratio in beyond visual range combat - downing 19 Su-27s for a loss of just three of their own."
So 2000s Gripen C with 80km range AMRAAM wins 19:3 against 1980s J-11A with 50km R-77 in BVR. Would anyone had expected any different if the opposing fighter to Gripen C was a F-16A with AMRAMM A?.
If anything you are the one that is a Western fanboy and I seem to be more impartial here.
Bd will have to stay within its airspace if it chooses to cross into the Indian airspace and strike their targets it would risk going into an enemy rich environment, aircrafts... SAMs everything will be pointed towards what bd sends and not to mention numerical advantage... the best chance for bd will be to follow exactly what the British did against the Germans... home turf deterrence will suit our purpose best and engagements will be WVR if they’re fought on bd airspace
But then that’s given India attempts to invade our airspace which they’ll.
Maneuverability advantage of j10 over rafale is not by much, pilot skill and avionics/ sensors/radars will help between these two
I do not understand why you keep saying that fighters equipped with BVR weapons will fight WVR?
If you can get a radar lock and have missiles within range, then surely that is the way you fight? BD is not that small that as soon as Indian fighters come near BD it will be a WVR encounter.
Yes there will be circumstances where this is required but most fighting with modern 4+ gen planes will surely be BVR.
The way I see it this is the matchup between Rafale and J-10C:
1. Manuverabiilty - J-10C wins
2. Missile - Rafale wins
3. Electronics - Rafale wins.
I think 1. and 2. cancels each other out.
So how much superior 3. is will decide the advantage that Rafale has over J-10C.
