Bangladesh Air Force

[BanglarBagh]

Come on bro. BAF blew the Imbecilometer so hard, @vishwambhar mistook it for an atomic bomb going off in Burma.

BAF's do-nothing approach has done irreparable damage to its rank and file. The damage is so deep, even Wing Commanders are flying Yaks to compensate.

Mere 16 MRCAs being inducted next year (optimistic) cannot undo the damage of the last 20 years even if they procure F-22 Raptors.

Well you are absolutely right! The damage done is quite huge. As a result, BAF now is severely ill equipped and outdated.
However, counting past damages is not the way forward. BAF has to be resolute to set up an iron will doctrine and to plan a most efficient modernization. IMO the recent shopping list revealed by the Minister is the baby steps toward that goal although consistency and certainty are alien words when BAF is concerned.
All of us ordinary citizens can only hope that there is a better future for BAF.....

 

[Bengal71]

I would rather build a force of Eurofighters and Super Bugs.

The former for mainly air to air.

The later for multi role and namely the maritime mission.

This leaves open the prospect of J-10C at some point if needed.

The key in my opinion is access to BVR munitions.

In my opinion, it should be hornets, Gripens and J-10C in large number.

 

[Avicenna]

In my opinion, it should be hornets, Gripens and J-10C in large number.

LOL.

You wanna pay for all that?

 

[Bengal71]

LOL.

You wanna pay for all that?

We can pay for it, no issues. You underestimate BD too much. BD has the financial capacity to even sustain 10 billion defence budget per year; these things can be purchased on loan and deferred payment. It's just that our politicians never ventured into massive defence expenditure, so kanjoosi in defence procurement is there.

 

[UKBengali]

Come on bro. BAF blew the Imbecilometer so hard, @vishwambhar mistook it for an atomic bomb going off in Burma.

BAF's do-nothing approach has done irreparable damage to its rank and file. The damage is so deep, even Wing Commanders are flying Yaks to compensate.

Mere 16 MRCAs being inducted next year (optimistic) cannot undo the damage of the last 20 years even if they procure F-22 Raptors.

Yes BAF were a bunch of complete morons last decade but let us have hope for this decade as they selected the US AH-64E over other offerings so far.

16 MRCAs if they are any of the Western types speculated here on pdf would give BAF an upper hand over the MAF and so would go a long way to undo the pathetic current state of the BAF.

The three imbecilic things they did last decade were:

1. Blew 150 million US dollars in 2011 buying those 16 F-7BGI when they should have just approached Russia and added an extra 8 Mig-29s to make a full squadron of 16.

2. Brought far too many trainers like the 16 Yak-130s and the 9 K-8Ws and also the order for 23 K-8Ws back in 2018. Half this number should have been sufficient with the rest of the money maybe poured into upgrading the 16 Mig-29s into SMT standard(newer radar, avionics and R77 BVRAAMs).

3. Released the MRCA tender for 8+4 fighters in 2017 that only Russia could meet.

If they just used some common sense and not forgotten that the whole point of their existence is to best defend the airspace of BD using whatever resources the government could have provided, then BAF would have had 16 Mig-29SMTs with R77 missiles at the time of the Rohingya crisis of 2017. This may have just been enough for BD to put on a show of force and stopped Myanmar from carrying out it's campaign of rape, murder and ethnic cleansing on the Rohingya.

Using excuses like they do not have enough trained pilots is pathetic as the whole point of trained pilots is that they have actual fighter aircraft to fly in. Better to build up both the trainer and fighter force simultaneously like all other airforces do rather than think they know better than everyone else.

 

[Destranator]

Yes BAF were a bunch of complete morons last decade but let us have hope for this decade as they selected the US AH-64E over other offerings so far.

16 MRCAs if they are any of the Western types speculated here on pdf would give BAF an upper hand over the MAF and so would go a long way to undo the pathetic current state of the BAF.

The three imbecilic things they did last decade were:

1. Blew 150 million US dollars in 2011 buying those 16 F-7BGI when they should have just approached Russia and added an extra 8 Mig-29s to make a full squadron of 16.

2. Brought far too many trainers like the 16 Yak-130s and the 9 K-8Ws and also the order for 23 K-8Ws back in 2018. Half this number should have been sufficient with the rest of the money maybe poured into upgrading the 16 Mig-29s into SMT standard(newer radar, avionics and R77 BVRAAMs).

3. Released the MRCA tender for 8+4 fighters in 2017 that only Russia could meet.

If they just used some common sense and not forgotten that the whole point of their existence is to best defend the airspace of BD using whatever resources the government could have provided, then BAF would have had 16 Mig-29SMTs with R77 missiles at the time of the Rohingya crisis of 2017. This may have just been enough for BD to put on a show of force and stopped Myanmar from carrying out it's campaign of rape, murder and ethnic cleansing on the Rohingya.

Using excuses like they do not have enough trained pilots is pathetic as the whole point of trained pilots is that they have actual fighter aircraft to fly in. Better to build up both the trainer and fighter force simultaneously like all other airforces do rather than think they know better than everyone else.

Spot on. While I am happy that we have shortlisted Apaches, I do not like BAF being allowed to remain occupied by helicopters. BAF has no business operating attack helicopters as these should be owned by infantry and armoured divisions.

Even Mi-17s do not belong to BAF. BAF should be conpletely focused on aerial warfare and prioritise procuring MRCAs, UCAVs an missiles (MR/LR SAMs and ballistic).

 

[UKBengali]

Spot on. While I am happy that we have shortlisted Apaches, I do not like BAF being allowed to remain occupied by helicopters. BAF has business operating attack helicopters as these should be owned by Infantry and armoured divisions.

Even Mi-17s do not belong to BAF. BAF should be conpletely focused on aerial warfare and prioritise procuring MRCAs, UCAVs an missiles (MR/LR SAMs and ballistic).

Yes and I am surprised at this as Apaches should go to BA. Attack helicopters are there to support infantry and blunt armoured attacks and so are definitely the area of an army.

Main thing is that they are in the process of being brought and can always be given to BA later.

 

[Arthur]

Spot on. While I am happy that we have shortlisted Apaches, I do not like BAF being allowed to remain occupied by helicopters. BAF has no business operating attack helicopters as these should be owned by infantry and armoured divisions.

Even Mi-17s do not belong to BAF. BAF should be conpletely focused on aerial warfare and prioritise procuring MRCAs, UCAVs an missiles (MR/LR SAMs and ballistic).

Yes and I am surprised at this as Apaches should go to BA. Attack helicopters are there to support infantry and blunt armoured attacks and so are definitely the area of an army.

Main thing is that they are in the process of being brought and can always be given to BA later.

Well, your points would stand correct if BD was USA, UK or even Pak or India.

You see such low speed & low altitude aircraft needs a air cover from high end platforms to ensure survivality.

When you deploy such low altitude-low speed platforms like an attack helicopter you have to ensure at least a limited Air Superiority over the area of operations where no enemy AD & aircraft can threat those helis physically.

Now do you think BD armed forces are strong enough to ensure air denial let alone superiority?!!!!

US/ UK armies enjoy guarantee of such air superiority from their AF while PAF/ IAF guarantees air denial to their land forces. Now think around that point & you will get the answer why attack helis are going to BAF.

In BD's ground reality, attack helis should go to the force that can provide High altitude-Long range air cover & a partial SEAD at least for the few hours that those helis will be spending in the frontline.

 

[UKBengali]

Well, your points would stand correct if BD was USA, UK or even Pak or India.

You see such low speed & low altitude aircraft needs a air cover from high end platforms to ensure survivality.

When you deploy such low altitude-low speed platforms like an attack helicopter you have to ensure at least a limited Air Superiority over the area of operations where no enemy AD & aircraft can threat those helis physically.

Now do you think BD armed forces are strong enough to ensure air denial let alone superiority?!!!!

US/ UK armies enjoy guarantee of such air superiority from their AF while PAF/ IAF guarantees air denial to their land forces. Now think around that point & you will get the answer why attack helis are going to BAF.

In BD's ground reality, attack helis should go to the force that can provide High altitude-Long range air cover & a partial SEAD at least for the few hours that those helis will be spending in the frontline.

I know what you mean but why cannot BA and BAF co-ordinate, so when required BAF provides air-cover for the Apaches for when they need it?

Seems really bizarre for BAF to be operating an attack helicopter designed to be supporting BA.

Anyway who cares as all that counts is that BAF has selected the Apache and BD government has publicly said that the deals for all these multi-billion US dollar hardware for BAF will be done this fiscal ending on June 30.

 

[Avicenna]

I know what you mean but why cannot BA and BAF co-ordinate, so when required BAF provides air-cover for the Apaches for when they need it?

Seems really bizarre for BAF to be operating an attack helicopter designed to be supporting BA.

Anyway who cares as all that counts is that BAF has selected the Apache and BD government has publicly said that the deals for all these multi-billion US dollar hardware for BAF will be done this fiscal ending on June 30.

Because in real life coordination is alot more involved and inefficient than it sounds theoretically.

It may be that BAF is using the Apaches as an instrument to further their own tactical goals in any conflict and this is better served having them completely in their jurisdiction and control.

 

[UKBengali]

Because in real life coordination is alot more involved and inefficient than it sounds theoretically.

It may be that BAF is using the Apaches as an instrument to further their own tactical goals in any conflict and this is better served having them completely in their jurisdiction and control.

Like I say all that matters is that these sophisticated weapons are finally going to be coming into BD - whether BAF, BA or BN is not really important as long as they are properly integrated into the military and are used effectively.

 

[TopCat]

Because in real life coordination is alot more involved and inefficient than it sounds theoretically.

It may be that BAF is using the Apaches as an instrument to further their own tactical goals in any conflict and this is better served having them completely in their jurisdiction and control.

BA can always order their own attack helis like what they did about air defense system.

 

[The Ronin]

 

[The Ronin]

Second C-130J is ready for testing.

 

[Michael Corleone]

EF(with AESA and Meteor) is good but 16 cannot handle over 200 IAF SU-30MKIs/Mig-29s and Mirage 2000s coming at it, let alone when paired with 12-18 Rafales.

They don’t station 200 of those along Bangladesh neither can they afford to deploy all asset against us