Bangladesh Air Force

[UKBengali]

This is your super duper navy.
Buying secondhand frigates and downgraded cheap version corvettes is just funny.

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While you are buying secondhand obsolete frigates from China, Myanmar Navy is buying. .
- S 100 UAVs (for OTH targeting) from Austria.
- ATR 42 MPAs with full sensor suite from Israel.
- JF 17 with C 802AK maritime strike fighters from China.
- LPD from South Korea.
- Kilo sub from India.
MN is just diversifying their capabilities. Thier focus now is on the force multiplication. Your focus is just on the buying secondhand frigates.
Apart from buying platforms they are also upgrading thier 12000 ton Naval Shipyard into a 40000 shipyard.
Unlike BD they have friends.
Unlike BD they have vision.
Truth is bitter.

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You heard that Boeing confirmed that BD selected 8 AH-64Es for it’s attack helicopter requirements?
BAF will almost now certainly buy either 16 F-16 Block 50/52 or 16 Superhornets for it’s fighter requirements. Either of these planes will hunt your Mig-29s/JF-17s and SU-30SM for target practice. US technology is superior to Russian/Chinese tech.

BN’s second hand frigates are better than anything in your Navy and the 4 new corvettes from China are not downgraded but lack sonar. BD is building it’s own warships with sonar equipment installed and they are more dedicated to anti-air and anti-ship roles.

 

[Kutuzov]

You heard that Boeing confirmed that BD selected 8 AH-64Es for it’s attack helicopter requirements?
BAF will almost now certainly buy either 16 F-16 Block 50/52 or 16 Superhornets for it’s fighter requirements. Either of these planes will hunt your Mig-29s/JF-17s and SU-30SM for target practice. US technology is superior to Russian/Chinese tech.

BN’s second hand frigates are better than anything in your Navy and the 4 new corvettes from China are not downgraded but lack sonar. BD is building it’s own warships with sonar equipment installed and they are more dedicated to anti-air and anti-ship roles.

You are wrong. Boeing didn’t confirm it. They just said if BD wanna buy they will consider to sell. Neither BD nor Boeing made any decision yet. That’s all.

Pls stop talking about uncertain future dream of buying this and that.

US technology is better but the only problem you have is that you don’t have any US fighters. All you have is unupgradable older model MiG 29 A/B and UB from Russia and junk F 7 third gen fighters from China.

Out of 8 MiG 29s, only SIX have radars and TWO are MiG 29 UB with no radar.

Another problem is that you have no decent overhaul facility for MiG 29 and you have to send them to Belarus.

Regarding the F 16s, it is just one of the bucket lists of some of the PDF BD members.

Forget about US and West fighters. Just by looking at the acquisition of Yak 130 one can easily figure out that BAF has no intention to buy any of West made fighters.

Buying Russian trainers for West fighters didn’t make any sense.

BN secondhand frigates are better. I don’t wanna elaborate on that so long as you are happy with you frigates it is ok.

But you must remember that none of your frigates has proper CIWS. Their HQ 7 are Chinese copy of outdated 1970s era French Crotale. Even in the Chinese standard those HQ 7 are considered outdated and substandard.

Your downgraded C 13B also lack anti air capabilities. Their FL 3000 are just for self-defense. Anti-air and self-defense are different things.

Another thing is that as your navy lack any of OTH targeting platforms, they cannot engage target beyond 40 km even if you have 100 km+ missile. IFF at beyond visual range in the sea require OTH targeting systems.

Modernizing an armed forces needs VISION. not WORDS.

 

[vishwambhar]

You are wrong. Boeing didn’t confirm it. They just said if BD wanna buy they will consider to sell. Neither BD nor Boeing made any decision yet. That’s all.

Pls stop talking about uncertain future dream of buying this and that.

US technology is better but the only problem you have is that you don’t have any US fighters. All you have is unupgradable older model MiG 29 A/B and UB from Russia and junk F 7 third gen fighters from China.

Out of 8 MiG 29s, only SIX have radars and TWO are MiG 29 UB with no radar.

Another problem is that you have no decent overhaul facility for MiG 29 and you have to send them to Belarus.

Regarding the F 16s, it is just one of the bucket lists of some of the PDF BD members.

Forget about US and West fighters. Just by looking at the acquisition of Yak 130 one can easily figure out that BAF has no intention to buy any of West made fighters.

Buying Russian trainers for West fighters didn’t make any sense.

BN secondhand frigates are better. I don’t wanna elaborate on that so long as you are happy with you frigates it is ok.

But you must remember that none of your frigates has proper CIWS. Their HQ 7 are Chinese copy of outdated 1970s era French Crotale. Even in the Chinese standard those HQ 7 are considered outdated and substandard.

Your downgraded C 13B also lack anti air capabilities. Their FL 3000 are just for self-defense. Anti-air and self-defense are different things.

Another thing is that as your navy lack any of OTH targeting platforms, they cannot engage target beyond 40 km even if you have 100 km+ missile. IFF at beyond visual range in the sea require OTH targeting systems.

Modernizing an armed forces needs VISION. not WORDS.

BD brothers don't understand that it's not in their interest to make enemies with India and Myanmar.... They should be happy that India has selected BD as her strategic ally.... But instead they are calling India their enemy... Why? Do they have a death wish??? Buying some costly fancy western fighters won't help against India.... Only moving Arihant armed with K series submarine launched ballistic missiles close to their coasts will bring them to negotiation table with India.... And they are here dreaming to take on India and Burma....

 

[ghost250]

You are wrong. Boeing didn’t confirm it. They just said if BD wanna buy they will consider to sell. Neither BD nor Boeing made any decision yet. That’s all.

Pls stop talking about uncertain future dream of buying this and that.

US technology is better but the only problem you have is that you don’t have any US fighters. All you have is unupgradable older model MiG 29 A/B and UB from Russia and junk F 7 third gen fighters from China.

Out of 8 MiG 29s, only SIX have radars and TWO are MiG 29 UB with no radar.

Another problem is that you have no decent overhaul facility for MiG 29 and you have to send them to Belarus.

Regarding the F 16s, it is just one of the bucket lists of some of the PDF BD members.

Forget about US and West fighters. Just by looking at the acquisition of Yak 130 one can easily figure out that BAF has no intention to buy any of West made fighters.

Buying Russian trainers for West fighters didn’t make any sense.

BN secondhand frigates are better. I don’t wanna elaborate on that so long as you are happy with you frigates it is ok.

But you must remember that none of your frigates has proper CIWS. Their HQ 7 are Chinese copy of outdated 1970s era French Crotale. Even in the Chinese standard those HQ 7 are considered outdated and substandard.

Your downgraded C 13B also lack anti air capabilities. Their FL 3000 are just for self-defense. Anti-air and self-defense are different things.

Another thing is that as your navy lack any of OTH targeting platforms, they cannot engage target beyond 40 km even if you have 100 km+ missile. IFF at beyond visual range in the sea require OTH targeting systems.

Modernizing an armed forces needs VISION. not WORDS.

BN uses TDL,so they can utilise the full range of their missiles...nd yeah yeah,fm90s r obsolete,FL-3000s r obsolete,only ur manpads r super duper advanced...

 

[BanglarBagh]

BD brothers don't understand that it's not in their interest to make enemies with India and Myanmar.... They should be happy that India has selected BD as her strategic ally.... But instead they are calling India their enemy... Why? Do they have a death wish??? Buying some costly fancy western fighters won't help against India.... Only moving Arihant armed with K series submarine launched ballistic missiles close to their coasts will bring them to negotiation table with India.... And they are here dreaming to take on India and Burma....

Are you sure we are the ones making enemies? Our foreign policy is 'Friendship to all and malice to none'! And this policy is the mistake IMO. Because of this India thinks we are it's slave state and MM thinks we are a pushover! So, essentially India and MM are making enemies out of BD not the other way around. Is it BD that pushed more than a million of it's citizens into another country's territory, no it's MM. And now both of you are holding hands to screw us over.
You said it's not in our interest to make enemies with India and MM, well you are right about the India part but MM doesn't even count! Also it's not in the best interest of India to make enemies with BD but you are constantly doing so. If we are threatened we will retaliate with everything we've got no matter the cost. You may call it a death wish but it's our survival instinct!

 

[Michael Corleone]

This is your super duper navy.
Buying secondhand frigates and downgraded cheap version corvettes is just funny.

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While you are buying secondhand obsolete frigates from China, Myanmar Navy is buying. .
- S 100 UAVs (for OTH targeting) from Austria.
- ATR 42 MPAs with full sensor suite from Israel.
- JF 17 with C 802AK maritime strike fighters from China.
- LPD from South Korea.
- Kilo sub from India.
MN is just diversifying their capabilities. Thier focus now is on the force multiplication. Your focus is just on the buying secondhand frigates.
Apart from buying platforms they are also upgrading thier 12000 ton Naval Shipyard into a 40000 shipyard.
Unlike BD they have friends.
Unlike BD they have vision.
Truth is bitter.

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Someone show him their rusted sub before handover

No we're strategic allies... we must operate common platforms.... MIG 35s will be a mean punch in BAF...

Sure whatever you like to believe. I don’t see why your govt got butthurt because we got some vintage subs, same when we got mig 29s

 

[vishwambhar]

Are you sure we are the ones making enemies? Our foreign policy is 'Friendship to all and malice to none'! And this policy is the mistake IMO. Because of this India thinks we are it's slave state and MM thinks we are a pushover! So, essentially India and MM are making enemies out of BD not the other way around. Is it BD that pushed more than a million of it's citizens into another country's territory, no it's MM. And now both of you are holding hands to screw us over.
You said it's not in our interest to make enemies with India and MM, well you are right about the India part but MM doesn't even count! Also it's not in the best interest of India to make enemies with BD but you are constantly doing so. If we are threatened we will retaliate with everything we've got no matter the cost. You may call it a death wish but it's our survival instinct!

We three are neighbours and we must have peace... No matter what.... If we fight each other then only outsiders will be winners and we will be loosers...

 

[Michael Corleone]

Fair enough. Your deterrence should be against India.
And regarding the manufacturing capacity , one of your member trash talks about other countries as if his Bangladesh is some sort of manufacturing powerhouse.......

Well whatever Bangladesh manufactures, be it clothes, ships, medicines or otherwise is much better in quality than Indian made stuff, there’s literally no competition and it’s not what we say, it’s what the international market shows

 

[Avicenna]

We three are neighbours and we must have peace... No matter what.... If we fight each other then only outsiders will be winners and we will be loosers...

Let there be peace.

But your government is not all that friendly despite sweet words.

 

[vishwambhar]

Someone show him their rusted sub before handover


Sure whatever you like to believe. I don’t see why your govt got butthurt because we got some vintage subs, same when we got mig 29s

Michael... Firstly you have zero knowledge about naval platforms in comparison to Burmese navy.... Burma a serious military power and possibly a hidden nuclear power do you really believe them to be that dumb to purchase rusted submarine???? Burma saw value addition in the submarine and its procured by them... But why should we argue when we three are neighbours and natural brothers....

 

[Aung Zaya]

I thought they bought 6 sukui.
Besides they rushed to these acquisition fearing BD will buy them. But instead BD bought nothing. They lost it right there.

that is non-sense. we have own modernization plan. and we just go through with it. nothing related to BD. what if bd buy them first ? BD will be first user of Su-30 in the region.?

and 6 is initial order. we will order soon another 12 to fulfill a squadron.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Michael... Firstly you have zero knowledge about naval platforms in comparison to Burmese navy.... Burma a serious military power and possibly a hidden nuclear power do you really believe them to be that dumb to purchase rusted submarine???? Burma saw value addition in the submarine and its procured by them... But why should we argue when we three are neighbours and natural brothers....

i may have zero knowledge on military platforms and you have shown yours by classing them as possible nuclear power

 

[Avicenna]

i may have zero knowledge on military platforms and you have shown yours by classing them as possible nuclear power

LOL.

 

[MINN]

What VLS is it?

It's not official but from what I heard it's Russian in origin.

for now they have only 6 units..none of those r delivered yet...

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2020/01/27/myanmar-to-receive-first-su-30sme-this-year/

 

[UKBengali]

You are wrong. Boeing didn’t confirm it. They just said if BD wanna buy they will consider to sell. Neither BD nor Boeing made any decision yet. That’s all.

Pls stop talking about uncertain future dream of buying this and that.

US technology is better but the only problem you have is that you don’t have any US fighters. All you have is unupgradable older model MiG 29 A/B and UB from Russia and junk F 7 third gen fighters from China.

Out of 8 MiG 29s, only SIX have radars and TWO are MiG 29 UB with no radar.

Another problem is that you have no decent overhaul facility for MiG 29 and you have to send them to Belarus.

Regarding the F 16s, it is just one of the bucket lists of some of the PDF BD members.

Forget about US and West fighters. Just by looking at the acquisition of Yak 130 one can easily figure out that BAF has no intention to buy any of West made fighters.

Buying Russian trainers for West fighters didn’t make any sense.

BN secondhand frigates are better. I don’t wanna elaborate on that so long as you are happy with you frigates it is ok.

But you must remember that none of your frigates has proper CIWS. Their HQ 7 are Chinese copy of outdated 1970s era French Crotale. Even in the Chinese standard those HQ 7 are considered outdated and substandard.

Your downgraded C 13B also lack anti air capabilities. Their FL 3000 are just for self-defense. Anti-air and self-defense are different things.

Another thing is that as your navy lack any of OTH targeting platforms, they cannot engage target beyond 40 km even if you have 100 km+ missile. IFF at beyond visual range in the sea require OTH targeting systems.

Modernizing an armed forces needs VISION. not WORDS.

So many inaccuracies in this post:

1. "You are wrong. Boeing didn’t confirm it. They just said if BD wanna buy they will consider to sell. Neither BD nor Boeing made any decision yet. That’s all."

"https://www.janes.com/article/93839...-for-bangladesh-attack-helicopter-requirement"

"Boeing has confirmed that its AH-64E Apache attack helicopter has been down-selected for a potential programme in Bangladesh."
""[In Bangladesh] we have been down-selected not just based on capability, but we went head-to-head with some of our competitors and we were down-selected based on price."

Yep BD has chosen the AH-64E over other contenders.


Just like the Apache it is now nearly 100% certain the F-16 Block 50/52 or Superhornet is coming. Either of these two planes and their AMRAAM missiles will kill your air-force like how Pakistani F-16s hunted the Indian airforce in 2019.

USA will like nothing better than for BAF to have a field day hunting MAF and they will provide the hardware for us to do this.


2. "Just by looking at the acquisition of Yak 130 one can easily figure out that BAF has no intention to buy any of West made fighters."


It may have been true that BAF was looking to buy Russian fighters when the YAK-130s were purchased but the Rohingya crisis of 2017 when Russia backed Myanmar has changed the calculus completely.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/yak_130/

"The Yak-130 has a maximum g-loading of +8g to -3g and is capable of executing the flight manoeuvres specific to current operational and developmental combat aircraft, including Su-30, MiG-29, Mirage, F-15, F-16, Eurofighter, F-22 and F-35."

Really makes little difference if you want to train to go onto Russian or Western fighters afterwards:

2. "Their HQ 7 are Chinese copy of outdated 1970s era French Crotale. Even in the Chinese standard those HQ 7 are considered outdated and substandard."

Nope as the two Type-053H3 already in BD have the FM-90N SAM system which is modern and the upcoming two will also have this SAM as well.

3. "Your downgraded C 13B also lack anti air capabilities"

Again it is not downgraded but just has the sonar taken out. BD is building the Durjoy class with anti-sub capabilities to cover this capability.
Yes none of the BD corvettes and frigates provide area defence but they are better than your modified manpads you have on your frigates

4. "Another thing is that as your navy lack any of OTH targeting platforms, they cannot engage target beyond 40 km even if you have 100 km+ missile. IFF at beyond visual range in the sea require OTH targeting systems"

BD has ordered 2 AW-139E helicopters with the Seaspray 7000E AESA radar and that should provide target detection from more than 100km away.

Now please stop writing embarrassing posts such as the one I have just quoted.