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Yea man I broke with my response.
Gonna disengage from any negativity.
Eid Mubarak to all!
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Yea man I broke with my response.
Gonna disengage from any negativity.
Eid Mubarak to all!
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Bhaiera Ramzan shesh hoisey, ashen amra ongikar kori troll-der key 'ignore' korey dibo, don't respond to trolls.
If we Bangladeshis stop tagging and replying to trolls then they have no one to troll.
Let's 'ignore' these folks. 'Ignore' is the kiss of death for this idiots as when I 'ignore' someone they stop appearing in posts seen by me.
Let us stop wasting time with these idiots where they add nothing useful to our lives or knowledge.
EID MUBARAK!!
If we Bangladeshis stop tagging and replying to trolls then they have no one to troll.
Let's 'ignore' these folks. 'Ignore' is the kiss of death for this idiots as when I 'ignore' someone they stop appearing in posts seen by me.
Let us stop wasting time with these idiots where they add nothing useful to our lives or knowledge.
EID MUBARAK!!
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Best post of the century.why should we wait for 2021 lets have sweets and fun tonight. @Nilgiri n tu bhi ja ghareeb insaan
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A certain Tamil is getting very close to getting a permanent ignore from me.
He used to have some entertainment value but is now very repetitive and dull.
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I have my doubts whether this person is actually Bangladeshi or not. Pretty close to giving him an 'ignore'.
Aajkey bathroom a gesilam, dekhi arek Tamil oikhaney bosha, diner ordhek time e bathroom a katai.
Shalara je ki shosta dail ar ulta palta jinish khai bujhina. Sharadin paikhanai boisha thakey.
Shombhoboto Mashkolair dail er effect (toxicity).
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Indian der vitor oder khabar shobchaite joghonno.
Ar gaye durgonder jonno Indian der je durnam hoise eitra pisone mul culprit tamilra. gondher chote oder shamne jawa jai na.
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/480335-new-us-strategy-excludes-pakistan
June 4, 2019
New US strategy excludes Pakistan
WASHINGTON: In its effort to counter China and Russia's prospective influence in South Asia, the United States has introduced a new strategy that aims to strengthen economic and military ties with different countries in the region but excludes Pakistan altogether.
The strategy announced in a lengthy report identifies five South Asian countries as new allies and partners to achieve strategic objectives and for a more dynamic and distributed presence and access locations across the region. It says that the United States seeks to evolve its posture and balance key capabilities across South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Oceania.
"Within South Asia, we are working to operationalise our Major Defense Partnership with India, while pursuing emerging partnerships with Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Bangladesh, and Nepal," the report released by the Department of Defense says.
Calling Indo-Pacific as the Department of Defense’s priority theatre, the report titled 'Indo-Pacific Strategy Report: Preparedness, Partnerships, and Promoting a Networked Region' details that the US will also continue to strengthen security relationships with partners in Southeast Asia with countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia, and sustaining engagement with Brunei, Laos, and Cambodia.
The Indo-Pacific contributes two-thirds of global growth in gross domestic product (GDP) and accounts for 60 percent of global GDP. This region includes the world’s largest economies – the United States, China, and Japan – and six of the world’s fastest growing economies – India, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Nepal, and the Philippines. A quarter of US exports go to the Indo-Pacific, and exports to China and India have more than doubled over the past decade. This is made possible by free and open trade routes through the air, sea, land, space, and cyber commons that form the current global system, according to the report.
As history has demonstrated and the future necessitates, the United States will continue to play a key role as a force for regional stability in the Indo-Pacific in support of US diplomatic and economic aspirations, the report says suggesting that to do so, "the United States must be prepared by sustaining a credible combat-forward posture; strengthening alliances and building new partnerships; and promoting an increasingly networked region. These actions will enable the United States to preserve a free and open Indo-Pacific where sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity are safeguarded."
According to the report, the National Security Strategy and the National Defence Strategy articulate the vision to compete, deter, and win in this environment. "Achieving this vision requires combining a more lethal joint force with a more robust constellation of allies and partners. Increased investments in these imperatives will sustain American influence in the region to ensure favourable balances of power and safeguard the free and open international order," the report says.
As the region grows in population and economic weight, US strategy will adapt to ensure that the Indo-Pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability, and growing prosperity – and not one of disorder, conflict, and predatory economics. Embedding these free and open principles will require efforts across the spectrum of our agencies and capabilities: diplomatic initiatives, governance capacity building, economic cooperation and commercial advocacy, and military cooperation.
"Our vision for a free and open Indo-Pacific recognises the linkages between economics, governance, and security that are part of the competitive landscape throughout the region, and that economic security is national security," the report further says adding that in order to achieve the vision, "we will uphold the rule of law, encourage resilience in civil society, and promote transparent governance – all of which expose malign influences that threaten economic development everywhere.
“Our vision aspires to a regional order in which independent nations can both defend their interests and compete fairly in the international marketplace. It is a vision which recognises that no one nation can or should dominate the Indo-Pacific. In recognition of the region’s need for greater investment, including infrastructure investment, the United States seeks to invigorate our development and finance institutions to enable us to become better, more responsive partners."
The report states that China has made one sided and opaque deals that are inconsistent with the principles of a free and open Indo-Pacific. In 2018, China announced the inclusion of the region in One Belt One Road as the “Polar Silk Road” and emphasised its self-declared status as a “Near-Arctic State.” China is also expanding its engagement and capabilities in the Antarctic, in particular by working to finalise a fifth research station, which will diversify its presence across the continent, the report said while stating other examples that in 2018, Bangladesh was forced to ban one of China’s major state firms for attempted bribery, and in the same year, Maldives’ finance minister stated that China was building infrastructure projects in the country at significantly inflated prices compared to what was previously agreed. Furthermore, a Chinese state-owned enterprise purchased operational control of Hambantota Port for 99 years, taking advantage of Sri Lanka’s need for cash when its government faced daunting external debt repayment obligations.
"The United States does not oppose China’s investment activities as long as they respect sovereignty and the rule of law, use responsible financing practices, and operate in a transparent and economically sustainable manner. The United States, however, has serious concerns with China’s potential to convert unsustainable debt burdens of recipient countries or sub-national groups into strategic and military access, including by taking possession of sovereign assets as collateral. China’s coercive behaviour is playing out globally, from the Middle East and Africa to Latin America and Europe," the report says.
It further says that the Department of Defence supports choices that promote long-term peace and prosperity for all in the Indo-Pacific. "We will not accept policies or actions that threaten or undermine the rules-based international order – an order that benefits all nations. We are committed to defending and enhancing these shared values," according to the report.
The purpose of posting this article has nothing to do with Pakistan for my purposes.
So please, trolls, don't start.
It is to illustrate the shifting sands in the geopolitical environment.
US and Western fighters may be in the cards and may account for the delay we are seeing.
June 4, 2019
New US strategy excludes Pakistan
WASHINGTON: In its effort to counter China and Russia's prospective influence in South Asia, the United States has introduced a new strategy that aims to strengthen economic and military ties with different countries in the region but excludes Pakistan altogether.
The strategy announced in a lengthy report identifies five South Asian countries as new allies and partners to achieve strategic objectives and for a more dynamic and distributed presence and access locations across the region. It says that the United States seeks to evolve its posture and balance key capabilities across South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Oceania.
"Within South Asia, we are working to operationalise our Major Defense Partnership with India, while pursuing emerging partnerships with Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Bangladesh, and Nepal," the report released by the Department of Defense says.
Calling Indo-Pacific as the Department of Defense’s priority theatre, the report titled 'Indo-Pacific Strategy Report: Preparedness, Partnerships, and Promoting a Networked Region' details that the US will also continue to strengthen security relationships with partners in Southeast Asia with countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia, and sustaining engagement with Brunei, Laos, and Cambodia.
The Indo-Pacific contributes two-thirds of global growth in gross domestic product (GDP) and accounts for 60 percent of global GDP. This region includes the world’s largest economies – the United States, China, and Japan – and six of the world’s fastest growing economies – India, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Nepal, and the Philippines. A quarter of US exports go to the Indo-Pacific, and exports to China and India have more than doubled over the past decade. This is made possible by free and open trade routes through the air, sea, land, space, and cyber commons that form the current global system, according to the report.
As history has demonstrated and the future necessitates, the United States will continue to play a key role as a force for regional stability in the Indo-Pacific in support of US diplomatic and economic aspirations, the report says suggesting that to do so, "the United States must be prepared by sustaining a credible combat-forward posture; strengthening alliances and building new partnerships; and promoting an increasingly networked region. These actions will enable the United States to preserve a free and open Indo-Pacific where sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity are safeguarded."
According to the report, the National Security Strategy and the National Defence Strategy articulate the vision to compete, deter, and win in this environment. "Achieving this vision requires combining a more lethal joint force with a more robust constellation of allies and partners. Increased investments in these imperatives will sustain American influence in the region to ensure favourable balances of power and safeguard the free and open international order," the report says.
As the region grows in population and economic weight, US strategy will adapt to ensure that the Indo-Pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability, and growing prosperity – and not one of disorder, conflict, and predatory economics. Embedding these free and open principles will require efforts across the spectrum of our agencies and capabilities: diplomatic initiatives, governance capacity building, economic cooperation and commercial advocacy, and military cooperation.
"Our vision for a free and open Indo-Pacific recognises the linkages between economics, governance, and security that are part of the competitive landscape throughout the region, and that economic security is national security," the report further says adding that in order to achieve the vision, "we will uphold the rule of law, encourage resilience in civil society, and promote transparent governance – all of which expose malign influences that threaten economic development everywhere.
“Our vision aspires to a regional order in which independent nations can both defend their interests and compete fairly in the international marketplace. It is a vision which recognises that no one nation can or should dominate the Indo-Pacific. In recognition of the region’s need for greater investment, including infrastructure investment, the United States seeks to invigorate our development and finance institutions to enable us to become better, more responsive partners."
The report states that China has made one sided and opaque deals that are inconsistent with the principles of a free and open Indo-Pacific. In 2018, China announced the inclusion of the region in One Belt One Road as the “Polar Silk Road” and emphasised its self-declared status as a “Near-Arctic State.” China is also expanding its engagement and capabilities in the Antarctic, in particular by working to finalise a fifth research station, which will diversify its presence across the continent, the report said while stating other examples that in 2018, Bangladesh was forced to ban one of China’s major state firms for attempted bribery, and in the same year, Maldives’ finance minister stated that China was building infrastructure projects in the country at significantly inflated prices compared to what was previously agreed. Furthermore, a Chinese state-owned enterprise purchased operational control of Hambantota Port for 99 years, taking advantage of Sri Lanka’s need for cash when its government faced daunting external debt repayment obligations.
"The United States does not oppose China’s investment activities as long as they respect sovereignty and the rule of law, use responsible financing practices, and operate in a transparent and economically sustainable manner. The United States, however, has serious concerns with China’s potential to convert unsustainable debt burdens of recipient countries or sub-national groups into strategic and military access, including by taking possession of sovereign assets as collateral. China’s coercive behaviour is playing out globally, from the Middle East and Africa to Latin America and Europe," the report says.
It further says that the Department of Defence supports choices that promote long-term peace and prosperity for all in the Indo-Pacific. "We will not accept policies or actions that threaten or undermine the rules-based international order – an order that benefits all nations. We are committed to defending and enhancing these shared values," according to the report.
The purpose of posting this article has nothing to do with Pakistan for my purposes.
So please, trolls, don't start.
It is to illustrate the shifting sands in the geopolitical environment.
US and Western fighters may be in the cards and may account for the delay we are seeing.
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@Avicenna - I am willing to pay lip-service to USA for Gripen Es for BAF.
Absolutely.
Anything Western.
Buying Chinese or Russian in the current politcal environment may turn out to be a huge mistake.
By purchasing from the West, you're buying politcal backing.
Not to mention Gripen, F-16, Typhoon are better platforms overall than their Russian and Chinese counterparts.
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US has to exclude PK as it is now fully aligned with China.https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/480335-new-us-strategy-excludes-pakistan
June 4, 2019
New US strategy excludes Pakistan
WASHINGTON: In its effort to counter China and Russia's prospective influence in South Asia, the United States has introduced a new strategy that aims to strengthen economic and military ties with different countries in the region but excludes Pakistan altogether.
The strategy announced in a lengthy report identifies five South Asian countries as new allies and partners to achieve strategic objectives and for a more dynamic and distributed presence and access locations across the region. It says that the United States seeks to evolve its posture and balance key capabilities across South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Oceania.
"Within South Asia, we are working to operationalise our Major Defense Partnership with India, while pursuing emerging partnerships with Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Bangladesh, and Nepal," the report released by the Department of Defense says.
Calling Indo-Pacific as the Department of Defense’s priority theatre, the report titled 'Indo-Pacific Strategy Report: Preparedness, Partnerships, and Promoting a Networked Region' details that the US will also continue to strengthen security relationships with partners in Southeast Asia with countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia, and sustaining engagement with Brunei, Laos, and Cambodia.
The Indo-Pacific contributes two-thirds of global growth in gross domestic product (GDP) and accounts for 60 percent of global GDP. This region includes the world’s largest economies – the United States, China, and Japan – and six of the world’s fastest growing economies – India, Cambodia, Laos, Burma, Nepal, and the Philippines. A quarter of US exports go to the Indo-Pacific, and exports to China and India have more than doubled over the past decade. This is made possible by free and open trade routes through the air, sea, land, space, and cyber commons that form the current global system, according to the report.
As history has demonstrated and the future necessitates, the United States will continue to play a key role as a force for regional stability in the Indo-Pacific in support of US diplomatic and economic aspirations, the report says suggesting that to do so, "the United States must be prepared by sustaining a credible combat-forward posture; strengthening alliances and building new partnerships; and promoting an increasingly networked region. These actions will enable the United States to preserve a free and open Indo-Pacific where sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity are safeguarded."
According to the report, the National Security Strategy and the National Defence Strategy articulate the vision to compete, deter, and win in this environment. "Achieving this vision requires combining a more lethal joint force with a more robust constellation of allies and partners. Increased investments in these imperatives will sustain American influence in the region to ensure favourable balances of power and safeguard the free and open international order," the report says.
As the region grows in population and economic weight, US strategy will adapt to ensure that the Indo-Pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability, and growing prosperity – and not one of disorder, conflict, and predatory economics. Embedding these free and open principles will require efforts across the spectrum of our agencies and capabilities: diplomatic initiatives, governance capacity building, economic cooperation and commercial advocacy, and military cooperation.
"Our vision for a free and open Indo-Pacific recognises the linkages between economics, governance, and security that are part of the competitive landscape throughout the region, and that economic security is national security," the report further says adding that in order to achieve the vision, "we will uphold the rule of law, encourage resilience in civil society, and promote transparent governance – all of which expose malign influences that threaten economic development everywhere.
“Our vision aspires to a regional order in which independent nations can both defend their interests and compete fairly in the international marketplace. It is a vision which recognises that no one nation can or should dominate the Indo-Pacific. In recognition of the region’s need for greater investment, including infrastructure investment, the United States seeks to invigorate our development and finance institutions to enable us to become better, more responsive partners."
The report states that China has made one sided and opaque deals that are inconsistent with the principles of a free and open Indo-Pacific. In 2018, China announced the inclusion of the region in One Belt One Road as the “Polar Silk Road” and emphasised its self-declared status as a “Near-Arctic State.” China is also expanding its engagement and capabilities in the Antarctic, in particular by working to finalise a fifth research station, which will diversify its presence across the continent, the report said while stating other examples that in 2018, Bangladesh was forced to ban one of China’s major state firms for attempted bribery, and in the same year, Maldives’ finance minister stated that China was building infrastructure projects in the country at significantly inflated prices compared to what was previously agreed. Furthermore, a Chinese state-owned enterprise purchased operational control of Hambantota Port for 99 years, taking advantage of Sri Lanka’s need for cash when its government faced daunting external debt repayment obligations.
"The United States does not oppose China’s investment activities as long as they respect sovereignty and the rule of law, use responsible financing practices, and operate in a transparent and economically sustainable manner. The United States, however, has serious concerns with China’s potential to convert unsustainable debt burdens of recipient countries or sub-national groups into strategic and military access, including by taking possession of sovereign assets as collateral. China’s coercive behaviour is playing out globally, from the Middle East and Africa to Latin America and Europe," the report says.
It further says that the Department of Defence supports choices that promote long-term peace and prosperity for all in the Indo-Pacific. "We will not accept policies or actions that threaten or undermine the rules-based international order – an order that benefits all nations. We are committed to defending and enhancing these shared values," according to the report.
The purpose of posting this article has nothing to do with Pakistan for my purposes.
So please, trolls, don't start.
It is it to illustrate the shifting sands in the geopolitical environment.
US and Western fighters may be in the cards and may account for the delay we are seeing.
BDs economy is western based. We should maintain strategic distance but for BAF we should go western. For BN for the time being stay with china. For BA buy from everyone.
We need to focus on developing own internal capacity. We can not rely on anyone else.
Out of F-16 Block 70/72, I would prefer Gripen E as it is better(slightly) at air-to-air due to delta canard configuration and Meteor BVRAAM. It also can be seamlessly integrated with the brand new Sabb Global Eye for AWACS requirements.
BAF has no need for the multitude of air to ground munitions that come with F-16 as it needs a fighter mainly for air-to-air and plus the Gripen E is cheaper to run and less capability for US blackmail/pressure as the munitions will mainly be EU.
Maybe time for BD to try it's luck and seriously go for Gripen E as Sweden would be very interested in an order for 32-40 fighters.
Agree apart from going fully with China for BN.
Probably not a good idea to equip the next generation frigates with Chinese sensors as BN needs total freedom to track, engage and destroy Myanmar targets on land, sea and air.
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Cant argue with that.... We should not completely abandon china given the overbearing presence of india in the neighbourhood. We need to keep everyone on board whist forging our own way and maintaining our own interest.
China has no leverage...we buy from them, they buy hardly anything from us. We need to use their expertise and learn where we can.
Should not underestimate china that they do provide hardware cheap although they are not yet western quality.
Between china and BD it should be about business with options for strategic alignment if they accomodate our requirements and geo strategic interests align. Remember china is in our neighbourhood whilst the west is not. We should spead our eggs around and keep everyone on board.
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Bangaldesh can not afford to detach from China.
Rather I'm just saying plan for a scenario where the next conflict with Myanmar will be where China and Russia are actively backing Myanmar.
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