Balance of power tips toward Iran

[Aepsilons]

It is no secret that Iran's power in the region is increasing. The main reason for this being Iran's independent foreign policy compared to puppet status of the rest of the region. For instance, Turkey used to have excellent relations with Assad, but on the order of US, shot itself in the foot in order to keep her master happy. Now it is in a mess.

Saudi Kingdom depends for strategic cover and legitimacy on US. These are pretty much known facts. The puppets are failing to raise up to challenges of the new world around them. Turkey had to even relocate a grave, for God's sake. This is the level of their power in the region. Meanwhile Iran is and will continue to be the sole stabilizing factor in the region (and beyond).

As Churchill had once said: "The one who controls the oil, will win the next war". This is still true. It is a battle not between Sunnis and Shias or between Saudi/Turkey and Iran. It is a battle between Iran and US through its puppets and proxies. It will not be decided by puppets. It will be decided between Iran and US. Let's hope for a peaceful understanding between the two, rather than a full out war. Puppets and what they do or think are irrelevant. What matters is what conclusion masters reach.

@Daneshmand ,

I would counsel you to refrain from trying to mitigate the shear force projection capability of the Turkish Armed Forces, you are not dealing with feeble minor states, you are dealing with a Nation of nearly 80 million , a mature defense industry, a nation that is integrated with the largest and most powerful military security alliance in this earth. Don't confuse Turkey's policy of non-interventionist approach on a direct matter for weakness. Turkey's apprehension to intervene militarily is necessary as it limits the scope of the humanitarian catastrophe; please also understand that Turkey's humanitarian contribution is absolutely indispensable , as she is already took in over 3.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees in her own borders, that is something NO OTHER NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST is doing. Burdened with the shear fact of hosting, caring, feeding, housing over 3.5 million refugees would tax any nation, let us be thankful that Turkey has done this , is doing this, and continues to do this.

Note, Jordan, too, has taken in refuees and should also be thanked for its contribution.

 

[xenon54 out]

@Daneshmand ,

I would counsel you to refrain from trying to mitigate the shear force projection capability of the Turkish Armed Forces, you are not dealing with feeble minor states, you are dealing with a Nation of nearly 80 million , a mature defense industry, a nation that is integrated with the largest and most powerful military security alliance in this earth. Don't confuse Turkey's policy of non-interventionist approach on a direct matter for weakness. Turkey's apprehension to intervene militarily is necessary as it limits the scope of the humanitarian catastrophe; please also understand that Turkey's humanitarian contribution is absolutely indispensable , as she is already took in over 3.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees in her own borders, that is something NO OTHER NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST is doing. Burdened with the shear fact of hosting, caring, feeding, housing over 3.5 million refugees would tax any nation, let us be thankful that Turkey has done this , is doing this, and continues to do this.

Note, Jordan, too, has taken in refuees and should also be thanked for its contribution.

Wait till you get an answer to this, you will leave ME section forever.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

But you are not a party to this one.

Good point. Iran should also be not party to conflict in Syria.

 

[Aepsilons]

Wait till you get an answer to this, you will leave ME section forever.

As much as I love and respect Persian Glorious Culture and History, trying to mitigate Turkey and the Turkish Military Spirit is infantile and erroneous. We are, afterall, talking about Turkey, and the Legacy of the Ottoman Empire, the largest Muslim Empire / Caliphate ever to rule this Earth.

Remember, it was the Ottoman Empire, Soldiers of the Turkish Ottoman Flag, that destroyed the Byzantine Empire, the remnant of the Roman Empire.

That shear historical feat, alone, should be testament of the Turkish Will. Les we forget:

Both Turks and Persians should respect each other, for each others' inherent strengths rather than trying to repudiate each other for ambiguous heresays.

 

[TurAr]

@Daneshmand ,

I would counsel you to refrain from trying to mitigate the shear force projection capability of the Turkish Armed Forces, you are not dealing with feeble minor states, you are dealing with a Nation of nearly 80 million , a mature defense industry, a nation that is integrated with the largest and most powerful military security alliance in this earth. Don't confuse Turkey's policy of non-interventionist approach on a direct matter for weakness. Turkey's apprehension to intervene militarily is necessary as it limits the scope of the humanitarian catastrophe; please also understand that Turkey's humanitarian contribution is absolutely indispensable , as she is already took in over 3.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees in her own borders, that is something NO OTHER NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST is doing. Burdened with the shear fact of hosting, caring, feeding, housing over 3.5 million refugees would tax any nation, let us be thankful that Turkey has done this , is doing this, and continues to do this.

Note, Jordan, too, has taken in refuees and should also be thanked for its contribution.

No other nation in the world* would be more accurate actually. After Turkey, Germany is the second country to accept most Syrians with only 50 thousand. Notice the gap...

Turkey, spending billions on millions of refugees, saving thousands of lives each and every single day. What does it get? An international media campaign suggesting how it supposedly supporting ISIS terrorists.

 

[Aepsilons]

No other nation in the world* would be more accurate actually. After Turkey, Germany is the second country to accept most Syrians with only 50 thousand. Notice the gap...

Turkey, spending billions on millions of refugees, saving thousands of lives each and every single day. What does it get? An international media campaing suggesting how it supposedly supporting ISIS terrorists.

SIR,

Academic specialists such as myself, and there are legions of us out there, know of the actual, factual contributions of the Turkish people and state. Don't be dismayed.

Respect and Honor is in your People and Nation.

 

[Daneshmand]

@Daneshmand ,

I would counsel you to refrain from trying to mitigate the shear force projection capability of the Turkish Armed Forces, you are not dealing with feeble minor states, you are dealing with a Nation of nearly 80 million , a mature defense industry, a nation that is integrated with the largest and most powerful military security alliance in this earth. Don't confuse Turkey's policy of non-interventionist approach on a direct matter for weakness. Turkey's apprehension to intervene militarily is necessary as it limits the scope of the humanitarian catastrophe; please also understand that Turkey's humanitarian contribution is absolutely indispensable , as she is already took in over 3.5 million Syrian and Iraqi refugees in her own borders, that is something NO OTHER NATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST is doing. Burdened with the shear fact of hosting, caring, feeding, housing over 3.5 million refugees would tax any nation, let us be thankful that Turkey has done this , is doing this, and continues to do this.

Note, Jordan, too, has taken in refuees and should also be thanked for its contribution.

I would rather not take it seriously.

Turkish armed forces is not the super-duper fighting machine that it is made out to be. The efficient fighting machine, is the one that can take over a ground and hold it. The rest is just BS. Good for marches and parades down the streets among clapping ladies lined on both sides.

A General worth is his salt is the one who can project power when his country demands of him.

The only Generals and military capable of and actually doing it on the ground, is that of Iran.

Let me here counsel you about tactics, operational art and strategy. What has made you impressed about Turkey is tactics. Their fashionable military and so-called weapons. These are pretty much useless without operational art. Turkey lacks operational art. They never had one after Attaturk. Iran on the other hand is capable of and actually designing the battlefield layout far away from its borders.

And lastly but absolutely not least, is the strategy. Without strategy, operational arts is as useless as are tactics without operational arts. And this is where Turkey and Saudi Arabia are completely out-leagued. Since both are dependent states on American strategy. They as "allied" puppet states can not have their own visions. They must have permission of their master. Iran is not bound to this due to Iran's independent foreign policy.

So it comes now down to US and Iran. As recent events clearly show Iran is playing with a superior strategy than US which appear not to even have a strategy for the region beyond rhetoric and showing off its Aircraft Carriers to oppressed people of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Iran is leading the way in a vacuum of counter-strategy by its adversary namely United States. Turkey is as irrelevant to this strategic battle as is Kuwait or Qatar. They are just (ineffective) tactical actors working on behalf of US. They do not have decision making power.

As I said, a few posts earlier, this is a battle between US and Iran. Nothing more, nothing less. Once it is settled between US and Iran, the actors on both sides will be reined in.

 

[xenon54 out]

As much as I love and respect Persian Glorious Culture and History, trying to mitigate Turkey and the Turkish Military Spirit is infantile and erroneous. We are, afterall, talking about Turkey, and the Legacy of the Ottoman Empire, the largest Muslim Empire / Caliphate ever to rule this Earth.

Remember, it was the Ottoman Empire, Soldiers of the Turkish Ottoman Flag, that destroyed the Byzantine Empire, the remnant of the Roman Empire.

That shear historical feat, alone, should be testament of the Turkish Will. Les we forget:

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Both Turks and Persians should respect each other, for each others' inherent strengths rather than trying to repudiate each other for ambiguous heresays.

This historic fact is the biggest reason for Turkish-Iranian rivalty, booth want to expand their influence in ME, but seing how some Iranian members are exagerating the capabilty of their country that we even started to hear stuff like ''Iran Superpower'' only on basis of Iranian presence in Iraq and Syria (two countries that were already pro Iran before the war btw) is just ridiculous.

It has gone so far that some of them even say we dont produce even a screw, im just tired of this fanboyism and blind nationalism, at this point i just wanna post those two pictures to not to waste too much time with arguing.




Guess the country that doesnt ''produce a screw''

 

[tesla]

I would rather not take it seriously.

Turkish armed forces is not the super-duper fighting machine that it is made out to be. The efficient fighting machine, is the one that can take over a ground and hold it. The rest is just BS. Good for marches and parades down the streets among clapping ladies lined on both sides.

A General worth is his salt is the one who can project power when his country demands of him.

The only Generals and military capable of and actually doing it on the ground, is that of Iran.

Let me here counsel you about tactics, operational art and strategy. What has made you impressed about Turkey is tactics. Their fashionable military and so-called weapons. These are pretty much useless without operational art. Turkey lacks operational art. They never had one after Attaturk. Iran on the other hand is capable of and actually designing the battlefield layout far away from its borders.

And lastly but absolutely not least, is the strategy. Without strategy, operational arts is as useless as are tactics without operational arts. And this is where Turkey and Saudi Arabia are completely out-leagued. Since both are dependent states on American strategy. They as "allied" puppet states can not have their own visions. They must have permission of their master. Iran is not bound to this due to Iran's independent foreign policy.

So it comes now down to US and Iran. As recent events clearly show Iran is playing with a superior strategy than US which appear not to even have a strategy for the region beyond rhetoric and showing off its Aircraft Carriers to oppressed people of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Iran is leading the way in a vacuum of counter-strategy by its adversary namely United States. Turkey is as irrelevant to this strategic battle as is Kuwait or Qatar. They are just (ineffective) tactical actors working on behalf of US. They do not have decision making power.

As I said, a few posts earlier, this is a battle between US and Iran. Nothing more, nothing less. Once it is settled between US and Iran, the actors on both sides will be reined in.

what about cyprus invasion.american and eu emborgos .pkk(both eu and iranian proxy some times americans supported in american ıraq against turkey war and now they pyd supports(pkk branch) ) wars which we won 7.times in 30 years now this is becoming 8. victory kardak and agean wars with greeks (both nato country) yes yes our american masters what will say
good propaganda
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan discussed bilateral cooperation with the focus on joint projects in the energy sector, including the 'Turkish Stream' pipeline.
MOSCOW
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan discussed in a phone call on Tuesday bilateral relations with the focus on energy cooperation, the Kremlin press service said.


"The sides discussed in a friendly atmosphere various aspects of bilateral cooperation…with the focus on joint projects in the energy sector, including the 'Turkish Stream' [gas pipeline]," the Kremlin said.

In December 2014, Russia's energy giant Gazprom and Turkish pipeline corporation Botas signed a memorandum of understanding on the construction of a Black Sea gas pipeline, often referred to as the Turkish Stream pipeline, with an annual capacity of 63 billion cubic meters. The first leg of the Turkish Stream pipeline is scheduled to be constructed by the end of 2016.

Read more: Putin, Erdogan Discuss Energy Cooperation, 'Turkish Stream' - Kremlin / Sputnik International

we are becaming energy hub and it will be add iran oil and gas as well as

persians just use poor afgan ,ıraq shia militias in their proxy wars

 

[TurAr]

I would rather not take it seriously.

Turkish armed forces is not the super-duper fighting machine that it is made out to be. The efficient fighting machine, is the one that can take over a ground and hold it. The rest is just BS. Good for marches and parades down the streets among clapping ladies lined on both sides.

A General worth is his salt is the one who can project power when his country demands of him.

The only Generals and military capable of and actually doing it on the ground, is that of Iran.

Let me here counsel you about tactics, operational art and strategy. What has made you impressed about Turkey is tactics. Their fashionable military and so-called weapons. These are pretty much useless without operational art. Turkey lacks operational art. They never had one after Attaturk. Iran on the other hand is capable of and actually designing the battlefield layout far away from its borders.

And lastly but absolutely not least, is the strategy. Without strategy, operational arts is as useless as are tactics without operational arts. And this is where Turkey and Saudi Arabia are completely out-leagued. Since both are dependent states on American strategy. They as "allied" puppet states can not have their own visions. They must have permission of their master. Iran is not bound to this due to Iran's independent foreign policy.

So it comes now down to US and Iran. As recent events clearly show Iran is playing with a superior strategy than US which appear not to even have a strategy for the region beyond rhetoric and showing off its Aircraft Carriers to oppressed people of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. Iran is leading the way in a vacuum of counter-strategy by its adversary namely United States. Turkey is as irrelevant to this strategic battle as is Kuwait or Qatar. They are just (ineffective) tactical actors working on behalf of US. They do not have decision making power.

As I said, a few posts earlier, this is a battle between US and Iran. Nothing more, nothing less. Once it is settled between US and Iran, the actors on both sides will be reined in.

As I said, You can't even import a toilet brush without permission. You are mistaking isolation with independence. Iranians are living in misery, deprived from all kinds of things just because US, whom you claim to be independent from, wanted.

Even in 70s, when it was only a fraction of its current self, Turkey was able to invade and hold Cyprus despite countries like US and Russia. While you guys in Iran can not even poke uranium with sticks in basements without getting yourself assassinated. You are so independent that you can't even buy your favorite cream cheese from the market because it is sanctioned. 98% of the world are US slaves and your mullah wonderland along with North Korea is... Independent. Yeah bro, whatever you say

Enjoy your much deserved misery and don't go hard on yourself with things like Turkish operational art and strategy. You might find it complicated. Start with the basics like mullah suicide boats, flying boats, or cardboard jets. Let's look at some of the works of master strategist mullahs:

The guy who cheers for these acts like fuking Sun Tzu and dare to talk about the tactics of the Turkish Armed Forces. That's the most hilarious part. Using humanwaves and swarm tactics in 21st century and still dare to talk about Turkish Armed Forces.

 

[tesla]

iranian fanboys are crazy beyond i imagined

 

[Aepsilons]

This historic fact is the biggest reason for Turkish-Iranian rivalty, booth want to expand their influence in ME, but seing how some Iranian members are exagerating the capabilty of their country that we even started to hear stuff like ''Iran Superpower'' only on basis of Iranian presence in Iraq and Syria (two countries that were already pro Iran before the war btw) is just ridiculous.

It has gone so far that some of them even say we dont produce even a screw, im just tired of this fanboyism and blind nationalism, at this point i just wanna post those two pictures to not to waste too much time with arguing.




Guess the country that doesnt ''produce a screw''

Both countries, Turkey and Iran, are regional powers. There's no argument between that, both have the land area, the population, the industry, the resources, the overall strategic depth. I would counsel all Turkish and Iranian members to discourse with each other , it is impossible to have a healthy conversation when one puts the other down through vitriol.

So let's all show some respect for each other here. Even if we may differ in view.

 

[kollang]

Actually Iran has got the potential to be a superpower over a decade great history, culture, human and natural resources I mean whatever a nation needs to become a superpower.
Time will show who is gonna be the king of this place ....

Bro, let me introduce you our new policy toward Turkish trolls.we hope to maintain this policy until those pathetic trolls learn to behave a little bit.please join us

IRAN unveils "Sumar" surface to surface Cruise missile. | Page 32

@Nihonjin1051

No way, my friend. As long as these guys push on to behave like 6 years old kids, no healthy conversation would be available.they always manage to make up things to ruin Iran's image in order to satisfy their nationalistic needs.such as fabricating news, twisting words, switching from subject to subject,bringing up off-topic issues, insulting and playing as victim.maybe that is a cutrural difference...

Honestly, we dont have the time nor energy to keep up with them on these lowly fights.so enough is enough.we will no more engage with them on any kind of debates as long as these guys learn to behave.

 

[tesla]

Bro, let me introduce you our new policy toward Turkish trolls.we hope to maintain this policy until those pathetic trolls learn to behave a little bit.please join us

IRAN unveils "Sumar" surface to surface Cruise missile. | Page 32

why turkey why not israel bro israel is your main enemy or this missiles are just for muslims ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Bro, all I want is example why they are regional powers? How? Why?
They are not a regional power. Having a large population is not what makes you a power.

Judging by the size of their economy, industry; the fact that they're a transit hub. Strong military and ability to project power. Iran - despite sanctions - is also a regional player and wielding considerable influence. Policies need to be re-visited and Iran and Turkiye need to cooperate closely and not fall victim to western meddling and geo-political inspired games