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Has BD threatened Burma? Why would we advance into another country?

in the event of a war between the 2, it will have to happen somewhere. it will either be in Bangladeshi territory or Burma's. i am sure you would rather it be in Burma's so your land doesnt get destroyed.
 
in the event of a war between the 2, it will have to happen somewhere. it will either be in Bangladeshi territory or Burma's. i am sure you would rather it be in Burma's so your land doesnt get destroyed.


Any conflict would be short and sweet. Neither country can afford it. Rohingya debacle showed that BDs patience is infinite and there really is nothing called self respect here. The continued BD weakness means that conflict is unlikely or BD will willingly give ground. Its a tragic situation compounded by willful neglect of BAF. BD can not really take the fight to burma so war will be fought in BD. If the burmese cross the border there will be heavy casualty on BD side but eventually the burmese will lose.
 
Like the Indians blessed us while we went to buy subs?
You guys give india too much credit

He isn’t blaming anyone but the airforce as a whole. That includes him.
see his other address to another university where he talks more about this
Any acquisition from western countries would require indian blessing
This is true for pakistan as well..hence why our french avionics and german subs were blocked

Without india blessing bengaldesh will likely not be able to acquire gripen or f16s

Yes j10/jf17 are obviously availed (& so are chinesw subs)
 
akhn eta apni BAF er officer der inefficiency o bolte paren j keno tara army,navy'r moto shb kisuh aday kore nite partese naa!!
Khub confusing hoye gelo Bhai bapar ta. Ami vabsilam military ek sathe kaj kore. BAF officer ra inefficient holeo Amar dharona chilo ze vitore vitore army authority at least ei bapare uddog nibe.

Karon ora to at least Jane ze zekono war khali army dia Hobe na, air force dia back up deyai lagbe land warfare a, ontoto e jonneo holeo airforce strong thaka dorkar! Army authority r uchit chilo nijeder gorojei airforce ke Kichu Pete help kora ,zemon nijera paise. Allah jane ki hoiteche deshe! :(

I believe that at any cost army authority should take some necessary step. Karon air force er back up chara army shudhu land a war Korte parbe na.

Desh rokkhar issue bole Kotha. Amar brain er cheye beshi ar dig Korte partechhe na.

Ami vabsilam ,vitore vitore order diye rakhse, any day ese zabe, ekhon BAF Chief er Kotha shune to matha hang hoye gelo!

Just I pray ,may Allah save our country.
 
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Any conflict would be short and sweet. Neither country can afford it. Rohingya debacle showed that BDs patience is infinite and there really is nothing called self respect here. The continued BD weakness means that conflict is unlikely or BD will willingly give ground. Its a tragic situation compounded by willful neglect of BAF. BD can not really take the fight to burma so war will be fought in BD. If the burmese cross the border there will be heavy casualty on BD side but eventually the burmese will lose.

That is the problem.

Bangladesh is essentially an effeminate docile nation with no balls.

Fix that first, otherwise even F-22s will be of no use.
 
Chinese PLA's commitment to defend Burma against any foreign power shouldn't be underestimated. China vigorously defends two countries at the international stage unlike anyone else— DPRK and Burma. Just look at the numbers of Chinese veto. Being an Indian ally , BD can not expect the same treatment from the Chinese which also shares land border with Burma. Therefore, competing with Burma in term of military might effectively means competing against PLA. Denying this irrefutable fact is not unusual for armchair generals but BD government high-ups understand this reality without any doubt. On the other hand, military procurements can also mean large chunks of commissions for many people in the developing nations and let them have it. The biggest mistake for any armchair general is to see Burma without the contexts of PLA.
Well , @Old School Bhai ,I always agreed with your analysis , unless you sometimes change your position and contradict your own words, and write complete negative message about Bangladesh.

Like with this message I feel that you are very correct. Surely ground reality say that China needs Myanmar more than us .

Because we can't provide China direct access to the bay of Bengal, but Myanmar can.

So of Myanmar joins western side , China will come to it's knees if in a bigger warfare China must needs that access to the bay of Bengal.

Because a hostile naval blockade will literally force China to down to it's knee!

So yes it's foolish to believe that China will choose us over Myanmar . And for this reason ( access to the bay of Bengal) even if Bangladesh were China , Bangladesh would have done the same ,and that's the reason I don't blame China, and also can't ignore the reality.

So is the western alliance solution for Bangladesh?

But westerns are now allied to India ,but India has extremely negative image among the people of Bangladesh for the right reason.

Can you please be specific and write something what Bangladesh should do?
 
Well , @Old School Bhai ,I always agreed with your analysis , unless you sometimes change your position and contradict your own words, and write complete negative message about Bangladesh.

Like with this message I feel that you are very correct. Surely ground reality say that China needs Myanmar more than us .

Because we can't provide China direct access to the bay of Bengal, but Myanmar can.

So of Myanmar joins western side , China will come to it's knees if in a bigger warfare China must needs that access to the bay of Bengal.

Because a hostile naval blockade will literally force China to down to it's knee!

So yes it's foolish to believe that China will choose us over Myanmar . And for this reason ( access to the bay of Bengal) even if Bangladesh were China , Bangladesh would have done the same ,and that's the reason I don't blame China, and also can't ignore the reality.

So is the western alliance solution for Bangladesh?

But westerns are now allied to India ,but India has extremely negative image among the people of Bangladesh for the right reason.

Can you please be specific and write something what Bangladesh should do?

Myanmar is more strategically important than Bangladesh.

Bottom line.

Just one article below.

These things have so many more factors than you and I at home are aware of.

China, Myanmar, U.S.A. and rare earth metals. This may be serious. – Len Bilén's blog, a blog about faith, politics and the environment. (lenbilen.com)

China, Myanmar, U.S.A. and rare earth metals. This may be serious.
In early May, 2019, President Xi and Vice Premier Liu He, China’s top trade negotiator, visited a rare earth metals mine in Jiangxi province. This has led to the rumor that China is seriously considering restricting rare earth exports to the US. China may also take other countermeasures in the future. The trade negotiations between U.S. and China got a lot more serious. It extended far beyond tariffs and intellectual property, it began to involve control of strategic materials.
The first thing we must realize is that rare earth metals are not all that rare. They are a thousand times or more abundant than gold or platinum in the earth crust and easy to mine, but a little more difficult to refine. Thorium and Uranium will also be mined at the same time as the rare earth metals since they appear together in the ore.
Related image

chinarareearth1.jpg

U.S. used to be the major supplier of rare earth metals, which was fine up to around 1984. Then the U.S. regulators determined that Uranium and Thorium contained in the ore made the ore radioactive, so the regulatory agencies decided to make rare earth metal ore subject to nuclear regulations with all what that meant for record keeping and control. This made mining of rare earth metals in the U.S. unprofitable, so in 2001 the last domestic mine closed down. China had no such scruples, such as human or environmental concerns, so they took over the rare earth metals mining and in 2010 controlled over 95% of the world supply, which was according to their long term plan of controlling the world by 2025.
Rare Earth Element Production

The U.S. used to have a strategic reserve of rare earth metals, but that was sold off in 1998 as being no longer cost effective or necessary. Two years later the one U.S. rare earth metals mine that used to supply nearly the whole world, the Mountain Pass Mine in California closed down, together with its refining capacity. From that day all rare earth metals were imported.
The U.S. used to have a strategic reserve of rare earth metals, but that was sold off in 1998 as being no longer cost effective or necessary. Two years later the one U.S. rare earth metals mine that used to supply nearly the whole world, the Mountain Pass Mine in California closed down, together with its refining capacity. From that day all rare earth metals were imported. In 2010 it started up again together with the refining capacity but went bankrupt in 2015, closed down the refining but continued selling ore to China. They restarted refining again late 2020.
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So, why is this important? Just take a look at all the uses for rare earth metals. The most sought after pays all the cost of mining and refining, and the rest are readily available at nominal cost.
22_rare%20earth%20element%20products%20table.jpg

The Chinese almost got away with it, and that is but one reason the trade negotiations were so complicated and hard fought, but necessary. Donald Trump fought for reciprocity and fair competition.
For example, according to a 2013 report from the Congressional Research Service, each F35 Lightning II aircraft requires 920 pounds of rareearth materials. Who is making the most critical parts to this airplane? You guessed it – China, from our drawings and according to our specifications.
Here is a picture of the F-35
Image result for f-35

And here is a picture of the Chinese clone, the J-20, stealth capacity and all.
Image result for chinese j-20 vs f-35

It is a lot cheaper to steal technology than to develop your own.
Not all rare earth metals are of equal importance, and this is reflected in their price. The rare earth metals mined in Myanmar are high in the most sought after metals, such as neodymium and dysprosium
November saw the prices of all major Chinese-sourced rare earths spike, but especially those used in magnets. In particular, the research note mentioned neodymium, which is the most common rare earth used in making magnets, which rose by 27% since early in November, up over 50% year to date. Several other key rare earths also increased in value last month, including dysprosium (+17%), gadolinium (+9%) and terbium (+27%).
Another factor in the price surge is a new law that came into force in China on December 1, Hamilton noted. Known as the Export Control Law, it creates new regulations that give the government more control over such exports as technology and rare earths.
It turns out that Myanmar provides half of China’s need for neodymium and dysprosium, so any disruption in the supply would be most unwelcome for China.
China has been hard at work trying to keep a near monopoly on rare earth metals, by securing patents> Here is a chart of recently issued patents
https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2021/02/03/8e8a1524-65dd-11eb-bc00-908c10a5850a_972x_175322.jpg

Yogi Berra once said: Predictions are hard, especially about the future Here are the predictions for rare earth metals prices:
screenshot_2021-02-16-forecast-rare-earth-oxide-prices-worldwide-2019-2025-statista.png

On February 1 there was a coup in Myanmar, and the military took over power. Prices of some rare earth metals spiked to more than estimated 2025 levels.
China has been quietly exploring the economic damage it could inflict to US and European companies – including defense contractors – if they were to impose export ‘restrictions’ on 17 rare-earth materials, according to a report in the Financial Times.
FT
added that “[t]he Ministry of Industry and Information Technology last month proposed draft controls on the production and export of 17 rare earth minerals in China, which controls about 80% of global supply.”
Before being voted out of office, President Trump and his administration sought to take steps that might help the US limit China’s resource dominance in this area, including signing an executive order declaring a “national emergency” in the US mining and minerals industry
(much of which remains focused on digging coal out of the ground). China has been widely acknowledged as dominant in the rare-earth minerals market for decades.
But with Trump out, and a much more China-friendly administration back in power in Washington, it looks like Beijing is already considering playing hardball to get what it wants.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is considering sanctions against Myanmar, a country that is poorer than Bangladesh.
China is the world’s dominant producer of rare earths, a group of 17 minerals used in consumer electronics and military equipment. But it relied on Myanmar for about half its heavy rare earth concentrates in 2020, says Adamas Intelligence managing director Ryan Castilloux.
Myanmar is therefore an “exceptionally critical supplier of … feedstocks that are essential ingredients in high-strength permanent magnets for electric vehicle traction motors, wind power generators, industrial robots and a wide array of defense-related applications”, he said.
There has been no sign of disruption for now, since Myanmar’s rare earth mines are under the control of autonomous militia groups, but the test will come after the Lunar New Year holiday, which has just ended.
 
Please go troll somewhere else.

BD is not an indian ally and neither does it have territorial ambition against burma.

Over rohingya if BD and burma go to war (extremely unlikely).... china will not involve it self militarily.

China is BDs largest economic partner.

It is not in BDs interest to get into any military adventure and neither is it in chinas interest.

However that does not mean BD is unable to check burmese fascism but beefing up its defenses using western sources. The rohingya exodus was only possible because of a militarily weak BD. The rohingya solution also lies in a militarily strong BD. However war is unlikely.... short sharp conflict probably almost unavoidable. Chinese can help defuse tension and bring about rohingya repatriation.
Well Bangladesh isn't Indian ally that's true , but we saw that our politicians is the biggest kowtower of India.

Bangladesh must not try to stand on two boat together , they either have to choose Western block , or have to choose Chinese block.

Bangladesh became the Pakistan of Soviet era , and now it shall play very crucial role in the new cold war between China and USA.

You can't maintain so called neutral , unrealistic and opportunistic position that called ,"Friendship with everyone and no enmity with anyone".

World will not listen to this bullshit.

And history teaches us that USA was once ally of Pakistan and now threw them away ,but China is backing Pakistan with strong hand.

So either take western side ,or take Chinese side if you want to get full flavour from any side.

Choose western sides and later get kicked out or get screwed by India , as if west shall defeat China , they will no longer favour you ,but will keep favouring India because of it's bigger pocket.

or choose China , if China defeat west ,then at least it's not gonna favour India , because India is expansionist.

So instead of thinking west as the biggest buyer of our garments, embrace China and try to focus on other side apart from the bloody garments business.


that's the only solution.

my vote is to join Chinese block and ditch west permanently.

you can't be friend of both Pakistan and India , also can't be friend of both west and China because, "Enemy's friend is my enemy ,and enemy's enemy is my friend " is the reality.

you can't always get the readymade food that Bangladesh politicians are trying to get. It's degrading also.

so work and earn your food , either choose west and be prepared to be the literal slave of India , or choose China and protect your sovereignty against India.

If you want honourable place in the society ,you can't be the bed partner of multiple lovers , you must choose one and remain committed, period!
 
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Geo politically BD may need to side with China ultimately to maintain sovereignty there is no doubt.

However can we ignore the west and the quad.... for the next decade at least...no...

BD needs to straddle both side until economy is in a better state. I do not see any other alternative.

I do not like either choice.... china or the west.... our security lies in embracing the world economy, bring in trade from all, make our stability to be the interest of all.
 
Well Bangladesh isn't Indian ally that's true , but we saw that our politicians is the biggest kowtower of India.

Bangladesh must not try to stand on two boat together , they either have to choose Western block , or have to choose Chinese block.

Bangladesh became the Pakistan of Soviet era , and now it shall play very crucial role in the new cold war between China and USA.

You can't maintain so called neutral , unrealistic and opportunistic position that called ,"Friendship with everyone and no enmity with anyone".

World will not listen to this bullshit.

And history teaches us that USA was once ally of Pakistan and now threw them away ,but China is backing Pakistan with strong hand.

So either take western side ,or take Chinese side if you want to get full flavour from any side.

Choose western sides and later get kicked out or get screwed by India , as if west shall defeat China , they will no longer favour you ,but will keep favouring India because if it's bigger pocket.

or choose China , if China defeat west ,then at least it's not gonna favour India , because India is expansionist.

So instead of thinking west as the biggest buyer of our garments, embrace China and try to focus on other side apart from the bloody garments business.


that's the only solution.

my vote is to join Chinese block and ditch west permanently.

you can't be friend to both Pakistan and India , also can't be friend of both west and China because, "Enemy's friend is my enemy ,and enemy's enemy is my friend " is the reality.

you can't always get the readymade food that Bangladesh is trying to get. It's degrading also.

so work and earn your food , either choose west and be prepared to be the literal slave of India , or choose China and protect your sovereignty against India.

You can't be the bed partner of both of your lovers , you must choose one and remain committed, period!

Tell us how much you want to starve because China is not buying much from you
 
Geo politically BD may need to side with China ultimately to maintain sovereignty there is no doubt.

However can we ignore the west and the quad.... for the next decade at least...no...

BD needs to straddle both side until economy is in a better state. I do not see any other alternative.

I do not like either choice.... china or the west.... our security lies in embracing the world economy, bring in trade from all, make our stability to be the interest of all.
Our country is strategically in both good and awkward position. So you can't get what you want.

So you have to choose the bed of either super power block .

Bangladesh isn't any angel from God that they will get divine help and get beneficial.

We have to be realistic ,instead of emotional.

Utopian line of thinking is useless in real life, because life is too harsh!
 
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Tell us how much you want to starve because China is not buying much from you
Pakistan is in Chinese block and they are not starving. By the way ,shall you help us saving our a.ss against Indian expansionism (if you defeat China )if we take your side? What is the guaranty that you won't ditch us like once you ditched Pakistan when they were no longer useful for you ( After fall of Soviet)?
@nahtanbob
Myanmar is more strategically important than Bangladesh.

Bottom line.

Just one article below.

These things have so many more factors than you and I at home are aware of.

China, Myanmar, U.S.A. and rare earth metals. This may be serious. – Len Bilén's blog, a blog about faith, politics and the environment. (lenbilen.com)

China, Myanmar, U.S.A. and rare earth metals. This may be serious.
In early May, 2019, President Xi and Vice Premier Liu He, China’s top trade negotiator, visited a rare earth metals mine in Jiangxi province. This has led to the rumor that China is seriously considering restricting rare earth exports to the US. China may also take other countermeasures in the future. The trade negotiations between U.S. and China got a lot more serious. It extended far beyond tariffs and intellectual property, it began to involve control of strategic materials.
The first thing we must realize is that rare earth metals are not all that rare. They are a thousand times or more abundant than gold or platinum in the earth crust and easy to mine, but a little more difficult to refine. Thorium and Uranium will also be mined at the same time as the rare earth metals since they appear together in the ore.
Related image

chinarareearth1.jpg

U.S. used to be the major supplier of rare earth metals, which was fine up to around 1984. Then the U.S. regulators determined that Uranium and Thorium contained in the ore made the ore radioactive, so the regulatory agencies decided to make rare earth metal ore subject to nuclear regulations with all what that meant for record keeping and control. This made mining of rare earth metals in the U.S. unprofitable, so in 2001 the last domestic mine closed down. China had no such scruples, such as human or environmental concerns, so they took over the rare earth metals mining and in 2010 controlled over 95% of the world supply, which was according to their long term plan of controlling the world by 2025.
Rare Earth Element Production

The U.S. used to have a strategic reserve of rare earth metals, but that was sold off in 1998 as being no longer cost effective or necessary. Two years later the one U.S. rare earth metals mine that used to supply nearly the whole world, the Mountain Pass Mine in California closed down, together with its refining capacity. From that day all rare earth metals were imported.
The U.S. used to have a strategic reserve of rare earth metals, but that was sold off in 1998 as being no longer cost effective or necessary. Two years later the one U.S. rare earth metals mine that used to supply nearly the whole world, the Mountain Pass Mine in California closed down, together with its refining capacity. From that day all rare earth metals were imported. In 2010 it started up again together with the refining capacity but went bankrupt in 2015, closed down the refining but continued selling ore to China. They restarted refining again late 2020.
18278.jpeg


So, why is this important? Just take a look at all the uses for rare earth metals. The most sought after pays all the cost of mining and refining, and the rest are readily available at nominal cost.
22_rare%20earth%20element%20products%20table.jpg

The Chinese almost got away with it, and that is but one reason the trade negotiations were so complicated and hard fought, but necessary. Donald Trump fought for reciprocity and fair competition.
For example, according to a 2013 report from the Congressional Research Service, each F35 Lightning II aircraft requires 920 pounds of rareearth materials. Who is making the most critical parts to this airplane? You guessed it – China, from our drawings and according to our specifications.
Here is a picture of the F-35
Image result for f-35

And here is a picture of the Chinese clone, the J-20, stealth capacity and all.
Image result for chinese j-20 vs f-35

It is a lot cheaper to steal technology than to develop your own.
Not all rare earth metals are of equal importance, and this is reflected in their price. The rare earth metals mined in Myanmar are high in the most sought after metals, such as neodymium and dysprosium
November saw the prices of all major Chinese-sourced rare earths spike, but especially those used in magnets. In particular, the research note mentioned neodymium, which is the most common rare earth used in making magnets, which rose by 27% since early in November, up over 50% year to date. Several other key rare earths also increased in value last month, including dysprosium (+17%), gadolinium (+9%) and terbium (+27%).
Another factor in the price surge is a new law that came into force in China on December 1, Hamilton noted. Known as the Export Control Law, it creates new regulations that give the government more control over such exports as technology and rare earths.
It turns out that Myanmar provides half of China’s need for neodymium and dysprosium, so any disruption in the supply would be most unwelcome for China.
China has been hard at work trying to keep a near monopoly on rare earth metals, by securing patents> Here is a chart of recently issued patents
https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2021/02/03/8e8a1524-65dd-11eb-bc00-908c10a5850a_972x_175322.jpg

Yogi Berra once said: Predictions are hard, especially about the future Here are the predictions for rare earth metals prices:
screenshot_2021-02-16-forecast-rare-earth-oxide-prices-worldwide-2019-2025-statista.png

On February 1 there was a coup in Myanmar, and the military took over power. Prices of some rare earth metals spiked to more than estimated 2025 levels.
China has been quietly exploring the economic damage it could inflict to US and European companies – including defense contractors – if they were to impose export ‘restrictions’ on 17 rare-earth materials, according to a report in the Financial Times.
FT
added that “[t]he Ministry of Industry and Information Technology last month proposed draft controls on the production and export of 17 rare earth minerals in China, which controls about 80% of global supply.”
Before being voted out of office, President Trump and his administration sought to take steps that might help the US limit China’s resource dominance in this area, including signing an executive order declaring a “national emergency” in the US mining and minerals industry
(much of which remains focused on digging coal out of the ground). China has been widely acknowledged as dominant in the rare-earth minerals market for decades.
But with Trump out, and a much more China-friendly administration back in power in Washington, it looks like Beijing is already considering playing hardball to get what it wants.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is considering sanctions against Myanmar, a country that is poorer than Bangladesh.
China is the world’s dominant producer of rare earths, a group of 17 minerals used in consumer electronics and military equipment. But it relied on Myanmar for about half its heavy rare earth concentrates in 2020, says Adamas Intelligence managing director Ryan Castilloux.
Myanmar is therefore an “exceptionally critical supplier of … feedstocks that are essential ingredients in high-strength permanent magnets for electric vehicle traction motors, wind power generators, industrial robots and a wide array of defense-related applications”, he said.
There has been no sign of disruption for now, since Myanmar’s rare earth mines are under the control of autonomous militia groups, but the test will come after the Lunar New Year holiday, which has just ended.
Okay so what do you think ? Who's side we should take? Western or Chinese? But we can no longer remain neutral I understand now . @Avicenna
 
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JF17 BLK2s & J10Cs flying under the cover of ZDK03s would be a killer combination for the BAF.
 
Our country is strategically in both good and awkward position. So you can't get what you want.

So you have to choose the bed of either super power block .

Bangladesh isn't any angel from God that they will get divine help and get beneficial.

We have to be realistic ,instead of emotional.

Utopian line of thinking useless in real life, because life is too harsh!


Absolutely... thats why I say be in western block because our economy depends on it.

Once our economy is more established switch to china if china maintains its ascent.

At the moment we are still in an unipolar world. We only need to make a hard choice if china becomes a true global power.

Sovereignty is not all that is cracked up to be if your people are starving in my opinion. Leaders who lead their people to chase glory never starve or compromise on their own quality of life.
 

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