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B-21 Bomber can penetrate Chinas most advanced air defense systems: US Senator

Well big difference between flown around and penetrate. Don't brag about it, try it and see.
If we did, you would not know it.


When was the last time American tried a decent air force.
Maybe none. But is that our fault? This is among the stupidest criticisms leveled against US.

What constitute a 'decent' air force? YOUR opinion? Whose else? How much of technological parity? Quantity? Quality? What?

You can't fight China and pushing India and Australia to do you dirty job. Send few fighter aircraft with American pilots to Ukraine and see how tough you are?
Given what we have see of the VKS, no need.
 
B-21 is US last hope and it could have some chance to penetrate layers of China airborne AWAC radar. China need build more AWAC and keep it on the sky 24 x7, 500km apart.

Stealth technologies only have low RCS on X band radar.
 
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If we did, you would not know it.



Maybe none. But is that our fault? This is among the stupidest criticisms leveled against US.

What constitute a 'decent' air force? YOUR opinion? Whose else? How much of technological parity? Quantity? Quality? What?


Given what we have see of the VKS, no need.
Come-on accept it you only pick the weakest countries. If you reckon if u probably did it then I am pretty sure other country did it too.
What stopping you not to send your fighter aircraft to Ukraine? Brag about it when you decide to tackle China or Russia on ur own.
 
Come-on accept it you only pick the weakest countries. If you reckon if u probably did it then I am pretty sure other country did it too.
What stopping you not to send your fighter aircraft to Ukraine? Brag about it when you decide to tackle China or Russia on ur own.
So what constitute a 'decent' air force for US to fight?
 
Come-on accept it you only pick the weakest countries. If you reckon if u probably did it then I am pretty sure other country did it too.
What stopping you not to send your fighter aircraft to Ukraine? Brag about it when you decide to tackle China or Russia on ur own.

So what constitute a 'decent' air force for US to fight?
U need glasses...Told you few time try China or Russia.
 
We gave both a chance to meet US back in Desert Storm. What happened?
What chance you are talking about? 39 Countries were involved in Desert Storm. As usual you guys always drag other countries to fight for ur dirty war. Defense budget of around 840B and fight like a psy. Thanks a lot to turn off the light before u ran from Afghanistan!
 
What chance you are talking about? 39 Countries were involved in Desert Storm. As usual you guys always drag other countries to fight for ur dirty war. Defense budget of around 840B and fight like a psy. Thanks a lot to turn off the light before u ran from Afghanistan!
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So when the Soviets and China had a chance to fight a 'decent' air force -- US -- they essentially chickened out and here you are making excuses for them 30+ yrs later.

The US was the bulk of the air campaign, even when other countries were components of the air attacks. Soviets and Chinese pilots had their chance to prove their mettle against a 'decent' air force and their countries blew it. In air combat, ultimately it come down to mano-a-mano and we had a few Iraqi pilots at least tried. Maybe the Soviets and China saw what happened and realized their air forces were not so 'decent' after all, eh? After all, Iraq bought arms from them. Maybe the Soviets and China quietly admitted that not only were their hardware not 'decent' but also their pilots as well? Hard pill to swallow, ain't it? This is why your criticism against US was stupid and will forever be stupid.

As of now, the VKS turned out to be sucky over Ukraine. And the PLAAF remains untested. But there is still hope for Chinese pilots, perhaps their country will let them test their mettle against the not so 'decent' Ukrainian Air Force while there is still a chance. Get them blooded or bloodied, so to speak. Would YOU be willing to criticize them? I doubt it. That would be fair and that would be unnatural for the likes of you.
 
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So when the Soviets and China had a chance to fight a 'decent' air force -- US -- they essentially chickened out and here you are making excuses for them 30+ yrs later.

The US was the bulk of the air campaign, even when other countries were components of the air attacks. Soviets and Chinese pilots had their chance to prove their mettle against a 'decent' air force and their countries blew it. In air combat, ultimately it come down to mano-a-mano and we had a few Iraqi pilots at least tried. Maybe the Soviets and China saw what happened and realized their air forces were not so 'decent' after all, eh? After all, Iraq bought arms from them. Maybe the Soviets and China quietly admitted that not only were their hardware not 'decent' but also their pilots as well? Hard pill to swallow, ain't it? This is why your criticism against US was stupid and will forever be stupid.

As of now, the VKS turned out to be sucky over Ukraine. And the PLAAF remains untested. But there is still hope for Chinese pilots, perhaps their country will let them test their mettle against the not so 'decent' Ukrainian Air Force while there is still a chance. Get them blooded or bloodied, so to speak. Would YOU be willing to criticize them? I doubt it. That would be fair and that would be unnatural for the likes of you.
If u reckon they chickened out then you have every opportunity to fight them in Ukraine....
"The head of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, considers the risk of escalation in relations between NATO and Russia "very real". "NATO and the United States do not want a war with Russia... but the possibility of escalation is very real," Milley told Foreign Affairs magazine, adding that the consequences of the escalation would be devastating"
Big deal if u shot down few obsolete Iraqi planes. Even Saudis did the same. As I said earlier you never mess with any decent air force.
 
If u reckon they chickened out then you have every opportunity to fight them in Ukraine....
No need now that we seen how sucky the VKS really is...

Big deal if u shot down few obsolete Iraqi planes. Even Saudis did the same.
A few more than Russia and China have.

As I said earlier you never mess with any decent air force.
Because there are not any. US airpower stands alone in front and atop everyone else's.
 
No need now that we seen how sucky the VKS really is...


A few more than Russia and China have.


Because there are not any. US airpower stands alone in front and atop everyone else's.

Why do you guys come to fight on a Pakistani defence forum? LOL
 
No need now that we seen how sucky the VKS really is...


A few more than Russia and China have.


Because there are not any. US airpower stands alone in front and atop everyone else's.
No doubt more than Chinese or Russian air force but how many countries they have invaded or bomb coz they don't like their policies. Stay in ur fking continent and leave other alone. You don't own this world.
 
All I see in this thread is trolling and an absolute lack of arguments.

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B-A2 Spirit made a mockery of Yugoslavian air defenses based on Russian anti-stealth military technology and concepts.

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Yugoslavia is the only country in the world to have shot down a stealthy combat aircraft F-117 Nighthawk in a war with NATO (Operation Allied Force), and its military equipment and tactics are/were instructive in this regard:

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Source: Clean Bombs and Dirty Wars: Air Power in Kosovo and Libya

NOTE: Soviet P-18 Spoon Rest (or Russian 1RL131 Terek) operates in the VHF band and its Chinese derivative is called YLC-8A.

Yugoslavians created some of the earliest known examples of an IMAD setup involving a network of different Russian-origin radar systems including P-18 operating across I/D/G/H/VHF bands as a collective.

Yugoslavian air defenses were modeled to counter stealthy aircraft in view of an earlier military operation of NATO to liberate Kuwait from Iraq in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm) but B-2A degraded them to the point of being utterly useless:

During Allied Force, the air war over Serbia, six B-2s conducted 45 sorties out of 9,211 Air Force fighter and bomber sorties in the entire war—less than a half of one percent—but they struck 33 percent of the targets in the first eight weeks of combat.

How Yugoslavian air defenses against different types of stealthy combat aircraft in real-time conditions?

Let us see.

F-117A (Sortie – Engaged – Loss) ratio in Operation Allied Force = 743 – 2 – 1

F-117A = 2nd generation stealth in American terms with limited sensor systems and without EW capabilities

B-2A (Sortie – Engaged – Loss) ratio in Operation Allied Force = 49 – 0 – 0

B-2A = 4th generation stealth in American terms with significant sensor systems and EW capabilities

Yugoslavian air defenses were able to shoot down only 2 combat aircraft of NATO in Operation Allied Force (F-117A = 1; F-16A Block 15 = 1). B-2A delivered significant blows to Yugoslavian air defenses and made it much safer for the other aircraft to operate over the country by extension.

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B-2A is capable of penetrating an IMAD setup while passing through:

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Source: The Radar Game: Understanding Stealth and Aircraft Survivability.


Geometric shaping of B-2A is a nearly perfect radar waves deflecting mechanism and VLO in true sense of the word because even the fuselage and tail fins are eliminated altogether. B-2A also features substantial amount of radar waves absorbing materials within the frame. Even the engines are completely buried within the frame and exhaust systems are located on the top. Sheer size of the aircraft provided sufficient room to accommodate incredible stealthy characteristics. B-2A ticks all the boxes of frustrating detection possibilities with a radar system (or even a network of radar systems) across a number of bands including VHF because its returns are weak even in the Mie or Rayleigh region where resonance effects are more pronounced. The upcoming B-21 Raider expands on this incredible design yet further, and to what extent would be an understatement.

B-2A makes it possible to attack, degrade, and destroy increasingly sophisticated defenses and infrastructure of a region in limited sorties. To bomb a country back to the stone age if necessary.

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This comparison shows that just two B-2A are sufficient to produce "battlefield effects" that would take multiple aircraft to replicate otherwise. And there is no need to use refueling tankers for B-2A.

- Costs are reduced.
- Complexity is reduced.
- Probability of suffering losses is reduced.

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F-35 variants such as F-35A and F-35I made a mockery of Syrian air defenses based on Russian and Chinese anti-stealth technology and concepts.
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Syrian air defenses as in 2010 was based on Soviet technology including P-18 in large part. But Assad administration acquired Chinese Type 120, JYL-1, and YJ-27 radar systems to modernize Syrian air defenses in subsequent years. Assad administration also requested Russian assistance during the Syrian Civil War. Russian forces created a network of an S-400 system, an S-300 system, and Nebo-M technology to protect Syrian airports and military bases from airborne threats.

NATO had the opportunity to probe the aforementioned Russian and Chinese military technologies in Syria while conducting a military operation against the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) in the region (Operation Inherent Resolve). Israel also had the opportunity to probe same technologies in Syria.








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Russian S-400 system is one of the most advanced of its kind in the world and is equipped with several radar systems to increase its target search and detection possibilities:

https://theaviationist.com/2015/11/13/s-400-triumf-infographic/


Chinese derivative is called HQ-9 but less capable in comparison.

But F-35 variants can defeat S-400 system and similar systems from a distance:

"Russian air defence systems are primarily unable to engage with this type of drones for several reasons, such as their small size and ability to fly slowly at low altitudes, in addition to the use of non-metallic alloys in their manufacturing, all of which makes them difficult to detect. Even if they do detect these drones, these systems are still unable to engage with targets that fly at low altitudes and speeds less than 360 km. During engagements with warplanes and missiles, it seems also that stealth and electronic jamming have been effective in making these systems blind and useless. On the other side, the S400’s radars have failed to detect the F-35 up to 34 km and the F-22 up to 21 km, whereas these aircraft can target air defence units from more than 100 km."


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In view of the FAILURE of Soviet P-18 technology in Yugoslavia (and Syria), Russian air defenses in Syria, and Chinese YJ-27technology in Syria, China has come up with YLC-8E radar system to detect stealthy combat aircraft. A notable difference is that Russian and earlier Chinese anti-stealth radar systems operate in VHF band but YLC-8E operates in UHF band. However, performance of YLC-8E is subject to speculation and exaggeration for public consumption and to create deterrence effects in typical Russian and Chinese fashion in typical Russian, Iranian, and Chinese fashion.

Americans continue to improve their operational stealthy combat aircraft and developing new types of stealthy combat aircraft.






Keep in mind that no jet fighter is comparable to B-2A in stealth. Jet fighters are much smaller in size and do not have sufficient space to accommodate some of the stealthy applications and design parameters found in B-2A.

There is no proof of a reliable counter to B-2A out there, let alone to the upcoming B-21.

B-21 is a BIG LEAP from B-2A in stealth with cutting-edge technologies and innovations.



 
The hypersonic weapon being developed by our country will make the US stealth aircraft meaningless
 
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