Azerbaijan Defence Programs & Military Development

[Kamil_baku]

Although some people may think that Azerbaijan is a small country, but she has a really good army. Although, Azerbaijan still needs to improve her own Airforce.
Actually there were more pictures like BMP-3 , and other stuff, but it would have take too much time to post all of them

It true that we have poor air force, because, RUssia, USA, and EUrope, non of them are willing to sell any jet to Azerbaijan. Thats why, we are looking forward to see Turkish TFX project. However, Azerbaijan bought some mig-29 jet, but thats obviously not enough. I believe, Azerbaijan also will be the first customer of Hisar-a and hisar-o, also, FD2000 if turkey can sell it to another country.
Russia wants to attack Azerbaijan, because, by 2018, Azerbaijan is the only country that can supply europe with gas through Turkey, which means Europe are not going to buy any gas from Russia and eventually about 100 billion dollar loss to Russia every year. 1 month ago, When the head of Russian army forces decided to visit Baku, Recep Tayyip Erdogan cut his rest and visited Baku 2-3 days ago before the Russian one with army and other ministers. Which also showed that Turkey delivered strong message to Russia that There are not going to give Azerbaijan to anybody else, moreover, they also made Azerbaijan be confident in the negotiation.

 

[rmi5]

@Kamil_baku
What about Eurofighter? is it possible to buy some Eurofighter or grippen?
BTW, what is the model of these mig-29s? are they mig29-smt or mig-29k, or ...?

PS. I know that there are some bans to buy arms from Europe, but, can we negotiate with them and lift those bans? after all, what Europeans care the most is money.

 

[Kamil_baku]

@Kamil_baku
What about Eurofighter? is it possible to buy some Eurofighter or grippen?
BTW, what is the model of these mig-29s? are they mig29-smt or mig-29k, or ...?

There is no way to buy Eurofighter. Europe and the USA have arm embargo on Azerbaijan. This is a bad world, another country occupy your 20% of lands and at the end you get an arm embargo which means they dont want to sell you weapon just to keep the world "in peace". We Turks, always get bad treatment from other countries, but we always show that, no matter what, we will always find a way out and be the strongest in the region. We simply cant beg to others and accept their leadership. For example, Turkey wanted to sell firtina artillery, because of the engine was German made, Germany stoped the sale and it took 1-2 years to find another engine for that(we bought it eventually). Also, we bought mig-29 from Ukrain(around 10-12) through our intelligence, and some of them from belarus(when russia wanted to cut their gas, Azerbaijan helped 200 million dollar and eventually got some army technologies instead. thats why the relationship with Belarus is also well).

 

[LegionnairE]

@Kamil_baku
What about Eurofighter? is it possible to buy some Eurofighter or grippen?
BTW, what is the model of these mig-29s? are they mig29-smt or mig-29k, or ...?

I've said this a thousand times, Azerbaijan should buy JF17 from Pakistan in large quantities with source codes if possible. It's cheap and Turkish institutes can modernise that plane in future. We can't touch russian software.

 

[Hakan]

There were some rumors regarding the jf-17 whats with that?

News.Az - Azerbaijan interested in purchase of JF-17 Thunder fighters

 

[rmi5]

I've said this a thousand times, Azerbaijan should buy JF17 from Pakistan in large quantities with source codes if possible. It's cheap and Turkish institutes can modernise that plane in future. We can't touch russian software.

@Kamil_baku What's your opinion about Legionaire's comment?
He is right. In Iran-Iraq war, US gave Iraqis info about F-14s and Iranian pilots faced a lot of problems. Russians would do the same in the case of any war. After all, having JF-17 is better than having nothing reliable.

There were some rumors regarding the jf-17 whats with that?

News.Az - Azerbaijan interested in purchase of JF-17 Thunder fighters

It seems that they were just rumors.

 

[Kamil_baku]

There were some rumors regarding the jf-17 whats with that?

News.Az - Azerbaijan interested in purchase of JF-17 Thunder fighters

@Kamil_baku What's your opinion about Legionaire's comment?
He is right. In Iran-Iraq war, US gave Iraqis info about F-14s and Iranian pilots faced a lot of problems. Russians would do the same in the case of any war. After all, having JF-17 is better than having nothing reliable.


It seems that they were just rumors.

There were some rumors regarding the jf-17 whats with that?

News.Az - Azerbaijan interested in purchase of JF-17 Thunder fighters

Yes,its right that we have interested in JF-17, as i remember, We could even take the deliveries by 2012, but somehow Azerbaijan stopped the project(or may be its secret so far). However, which is weird is, Azerbaijan, bought TOT from Pakistan to build aviation bombs. To be honest, i also think that JF-17 is the best solution to Azerbaijan. But, if they want to keep something secret, its really hard to know something about it. I believe, they will do something either buying from Chine or Pakistan. They have also bough some MLRS from Chine over 500km.

 

[LegionnairE]

Yes,its right that we have interested in JF-17, as i remember, We could even take the deliveries by 2012, but somehow Azerbaijan stopped the project(or may be its secret so far). However, which is weird is, Azerbaijan, bought TOT from Pakistan to build aviation bombs. To be honest, i also think that JF-17 is the best solution to Azerbaijan. But, if they want to keep something secret, its really hard to know something about it. I believe, they will do something either buying from Chine or Pakistan. They have also bough some MLRS from Chine over 500km.

Buying from Pakistan, buying at least 100 planes would guarantee that you'd get the source codes. Screw ToT, Turkey can give you ToT source codes and offset percentage is important.

As an offset, if Azerbaijan can make the assembly, or at least produce a certain part like the wings for example would be as good as an F35 deal

 

[Kamil_baku]

Buying from Pakistan, buying at least 100 planes would guarantee that you'd get the source codes. Screw ToT, Turkey can give you ToT source codes and offset percentage is important.

As an offset, if Azerbaijan can make the assembly, or at least produce a certain part like the wings for example would be as good as an F35 deal

Last year they focused on Helicopters and Tanks. Armenia doestn have any jet, and any case we are going to fight with Russia, im sure Turkey will also join with their f 16 and Russia know it. But, we still should have our own Jets no matter what. What if Russia gives jets to Armenia huh?
They bought more than 35 attack helicopters, S300 PMU and 100 t-90 tanks from Russian which cost all together more than 4 billion $. To be honest, I think, Russia was smart here, they sold only those technologies that Turkey is going to produce them soon. By selling them to Azerbaijan, make Azerbaijan depend on Russia and also buy less from Turkey. But, to be honest, i still feel that Azerbaijan will purchase Altay, ATAK and Hisar as soon as they are ready to sell.

 

[LegionnairE]

impatience will be the doom of Azerbaijan... We've been waiting for ATAK project to finalize since 1990s as you may know. We've been fighting with terrorism but we made do with 10 AH1W Super Cobras, yes only 10... AH1P/S Cobras couldn't fly on high altitudes because of single engine. Today we have T129, we can produce as much as we want. You don't have to buy new stuff every year. If you could just wait a little, have some patience, your billions would be worh much more in Turkey. ToT, offset, you name it.

 

[Nomad16]

After all, having JF-17 is better than having nothing reliable.

the other "better than nothing" option is the turkmenistan should freely give azerbijan half of it's jets 172 mig 23 and all the mig 25 azeri brothers just need to train pilots if these jets destroyed in war they can pay it's cost if not they can return the jets right now turkmenistan storage them in the futures they will be too out data to used just for know mig 23 is better than f4 and mig 25 is weaker version of f18 imagine what will happen if turkmenistan give them 200 jets

 

[rmi5]

the other "better than nothing" option is the turkmenistan should freely give azerbijan half of it's jets 172 mig 23 and all the mig 25 azeri brothers just need to train pilots if these jets destroyed in war they can pay it's cost if not they can return the jets right now turkmenistan storage them in the futures they will be too out data to used just for know mig 23 is better than f4 and mig 25 is weaker version of f18 imagine what will happen if turkmenistan give them 200 jets

LOL, but, I hope you have noticed that President of Turkmenistan is not friend with Azerbaijan. Anyway, I hope he finally recognizes his true brothers, and change his behavior.

 

[ASQ-1918]

Actually there were more pictures like BMP-3

Speaking of BMP-3;

The main difference (of Azerbaijani version) from "regular" BMP-3 is the presence of Vesna-K sighting & targeting system with thermal sight and automatic target tracking etc.

From Russian Arms Expo 2013 (this version actually has the BMP-3M designation).

 

[Azeri440]

@Kamil_baku
What about Eurofighter? is it possible to buy some Eurofighter or grippen?
BTW, what is the model of these mig-29s? are they mig29-smt or mig-29k, or ...?

PS. I know that there are some bans to buy arms from Europe, but, can we negotiate with them and lift those bans? after all, what Europeans care the most is money.

some already have lifted the bans , companies like Saab and many others ( forgot the name of others)
that is why France is trying to sell spy satellites to Azerbaijan and also armored vehicles
maybe even more equipment we just don't know about

Azerbaijan was never interested in JF-17 , it was just included in the list of possible customers
and some moron journalists in Azerbaijan thought that meant Azerbaijan is looking to buy them


what's interesting to me is that news about Eurofighter and spy satellites are the same
in both news it was mentioned companies are working hard to sell their products

so to me Eurofighter is definitely on the table

 

[rmi5]

some already have lifted the bans , companies like Saab and many others ( forgot the name of others)
that is why France is trying to sell spy satellites to Azerbaijan and also armored vehicles
maybe even more equipment we just don't know about

Azerbaijan was never interested in JF-17 , it was just included in the list of possible customers
and some moron journalists in Azerbaijan thought that meant Azerbaijan is looking to buy them


what's interesting to me is that news about Eurofighter and spy satellites are the same
in both news it was mentioned companies are working hard to sell their products

so to me Eurofighter is definitely on the table

@Azeri440 @Kamil_baku
Guys, as far as I know Europeans, what they care about is money. Sometimes they may bark, but if we show them the green color of our dollar bills, they would shut up
That's why I think we can almost finally buy anything from them. But, an important factor is reliability, and by reliability, I mean having access to software codes and being sure that they don't give our info to Armenians or Russians. That's what limits our choices. BTW, we need to be sure that we can some how have access to spare parts as well.
About buying satellites from France, I am very worried about Armenians influence on France. After all, there are about 0.5-1 million Armenians in France and their votes and money is important for french parties. Armenians do not have this power, and influence in Sweden. This political factors are needed to be considered before making any big contract. About JF-17, we can buy them if there is no other choice. At least, Pakistanis would be a more reliable source than Europeans, since they are the only country in the world that even does not recognize Armenia as a country