Azerbaijan Defence Programs & Military Development

[ziaulislam]

How can you even break top 10 when you're budget is so small? $6 Billion? India has a military that's been neglected by previous governments, with a lot of things to replaced. Domestic systems are also being bought as well, but a lot is imported, sure.

And with every big order India buys, the outside OEM has to invest 30% back into India. The recent Rafale deal, they had to invest 50% back into India. India is only recently opening up it's aerospace, defence sector. These, "imports", are actually creating India's private sector military industrial complex, watch in the next 10-20 years. Before this, actually very recently, only a single entity was controlling aerospace, defence production, this socialist type of thing didnt work for India, and cant keep up with big demands.

Compare it's auto industry now since it liberalized, to where it was before. This is where defence and aero is going.

please dont go out of topic, we are not discussing how rich india is,

i know india has one of the best HDI, with no poverty with basic universal health and education, that is the reason now indian govt is spending so much on military


http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/world-s-largest-importers-of-military-arms.html
FYI: briefly we were in top 10

 

[Azeri440]

Almost 3B$ spent on defense in Azer, vs Armenia with 400M$. So in conclusion your country has a lot more TO SPEND on defense, that's a fact. The problem with Azer, her spending is not always perfectly appropriate, meaning you spend on thing that are useless or not usable for your type of war. And with all this spending in High Tech ( israeli/turkish and so on) Azer still lack significant advance on his armenian counterpart. But the most important thing it's your army elite, who are not suitable or lack knwoladge in their field. You are fighting a nearly primitive enemie, you have to remember that.

provide some examples of inappropriate spending, Azerbaijan lacks significant advantage?

the army proved their capability in the 4 day war, sustaining smaller losses than a fortified enemy, and only losing a single tank while taking out 14 enemy tanks in a matter of 2 days, with the use of top attack missiles and UAVs

 

[HannibalBarca]

exactly, I am not comparing the amount, I am talking about the economic effect of military spending, Azerbaijan does not spend more than required and the neighboring countries dedicate more resources to sustain their military spending.

you right and? still if a FULL scale war broke up tomorrow, btw you two, it's will be a massacre, since your two army are nearly the same. so whatever they spend more to sustain or not, they can win, like azer can win, it's a nearly 50-50 win lose.

provide some examples of inappropriate spending, Azerbaijan lacks significant advantage?

the army proved their capability in the 4 day war, sustaining smaller losses than a fortified enemy, and only losing a single tank while taking out 14 enemy tanks in a matter of 2 days, with the use of top attack missiles and UAVs

Azer lack active soldiers ( 66K for a 10Mil pop while armenia has 45K for a 2Mil pop) you lack LAV+self propelled artillery and most importantly cheap MALE/HALE.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

please dont go out of topic, we are not discussing how rich india is,

i know india has one of the best HDI, with no poverty with basic universal health and education, that is the reason now indian govt is spending so much on military


http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/world-s-largest-importers-of-military-arms.html
FYI: briefly we were in top 10

It also has two enemies right next to it. Kargil showed how unprepared, and too relaxed the Indian military was. Russia, China, USA, what have you were producing SSBNs, Nukes, Space racing, what have you when much of it's population was in poverty. You're doing the same, dont even act like you're some 1st world country. You're the one spending 4% of your GPA on defence, India is reducing it.

And as I said, with every purchase OEMs HAVE to put back 30%-50% of the contract right back into India. They're building India's new private sector defence industry, watch in the next couple of years.

 

[HannibalBarca]

It also has two enemies right next to it. Kargil showed how unprepared, and too relaxed the Indian military was. Russia, China, USA, what have you were producing SSBNs, Nukes, Space racing, what have you when much of it's population was in poverty. You're doing the same, dont even act like you're some 1st world country. You're the one spending 4% of your GPA on defence, India is reducing it.

And as I said, with every purchase OEMs HAVE to put back 30%-50% of the contract right back into India. They're building India's new private sector defence industry, watch in the next couple of years.

pls stay on topic, It's azerbaijan here.
Thanks

 

[ASQ-1918]

@HannibalBarca

It's no surprise you think like that when you base your opinion on wikipedia. The numbers written there are BS, things like 11 Su-25, 18 Mi-35 as Azerbaijan's entire attack heli fleet, 50 BMP-2 or 120 T-72s.

 

[HannibalBarca]

@HannibalBarca

It's no surprise you think like that when you base your opinion on wikipedia. The numbers written there are BS, things like 11 Su-25, 18 Mi-35 as Azerbaijan's entire attack heli fleet, 50 BMP-2 or 150 T-72s.

well I think wiki give much more higher numbers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Azerbaijani_Land_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_Air_and_Air_Defence_Force

 

[ASQ-1918]

well I think wiki give much more higher numbers...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Azerbaijani_Land_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_Air_and_Air_Defence_Force

Where does it give much higher numbers? 41 BMP-2 or 120 T-72 is laughable. For example Azerbaijan bought around 350 T-72s in 2000s, this was in addition to the already existing Soviet stock. This information can be tracked via arms export/import reports of UN. Thus, Azerbaijan has at least 400 T-72s in service. Most of those T-72s are modernized with new FCS and thermal imagers.

Or 18 Mi-35 being written as Azerbaijan's entire attack helicopter fleet, when the Mi-35M contract was for 24 units (already incorrect, as you can see), in addition to the existing fleet of Mi-24s (partly modernized to Superhind).

 

[HannibalBarca]

Where does it give much higher numbers? 41 BMP-2 or 120 T-72 is laughable. For example Azerbaijan bought around 350 T-72s in 2000s, this was in addition to the already existing Soviet stock. This information can be tracked via arms export/import reports of UN. Thus, Azerbaijan has at least 400 T-72s in service. Most of those T-72s are modernized with new FCS and thermal imagers.

Or 18 Mi-35 being written as Azerbaijan's entire attack helicopter fleet, when the Mi-35M contract was for 24 units (already incorrect, as you can see), in addition to the existing fleet of Mi-24s (partly modernized to Superhind).

go back to the T-72 line and re-read...
and the 24 Mi35 are not all been delivered...

 

[Azeri440]

go back to the T-72 line and re-read...
and the 24 Mi35 are not all been delivered...

actually 36 have been delivered and literally all numbers on the wikipedia are wrong

 

[HannibalBarca]

actually 36 have been delivered and literally all numbers on the wikipedia are wrong

if you say so... whatever. even if the numbers are not exactly exact, it's not like you got hundreds more of each product, those numbers give you a nearly good view of the rmy

and you don't winn war with heli...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/azer..._military_equipment_armored_vehicle_inte.html

 

[ASQ-1918]

I did? The source leads to this page: http://www.armyrecognition.com/azer..._military_equipment_armored_vehicle_inte.html

Which has the number of 120 and nothing about any tanks in reserve. Azerbaijan does not report on its inventory, neither would it be possible to access such information on open sources. So as I said, they are BS. It also doesn't make sense if you tell me that Azerbaijan bought hundreds of T-72s in 2000s to put them in storage few years later. But the point stands, open sources are just randomly thrown numbers.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I did? The source leads to this page: http://www.armyrecognition.com/azer..._military_equipment_armored_vehicle_inte.html

Which has the number of 120 and nothing about any tanks in reserve. Azerbaijan does not report on its inventory, neither would it be possible to access such information on open sources. So as I said, they are BS. It also doesn't make sense if you tell me that Azerbaijan bought hundreds of T-72s in 2000s to put them in storage later. But whatever, the point is that those numbers are incorrect, since there is no such source on open sources like said.

it's says 420 t72 (300 storage)

 

[ASQ-1918]

Yes, in wikipedia. And 300 in storage according to what exactly? Azerbaijani MoD doesn't release any numbers, don't tell me that open sources on internet would have access to such information.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Yes, in wikipedia. And 300 in storage according to what exactly? Azerbaijani MoD doesn't release any numbers, don't tell me that open sources on internet would have access to such information.

so you don't agree with this 420 ?

Yes, in wikipedia. And 300 in storage according to what exactly? Azerbaijani MoD doesn't release any numbers, don't tell me that open sources on internet would have access to such information.

01.11.2013 APA (Azerbaijan)

In the 2002-2012 years. Azerbaijan purchased 264 battle tanks . APA reports that in the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms stated that over the last ten years, Azerbaijan has bought tanks in Belarus, Ukraine , Russia and Slovakia.

In the report is not mentioned T-90S tanks , which Azerbaijan purchased in Russia in 2013. It is reported that Azerbaijan has ordered 100 T-90S tanks .

According to statistics from the Register, 2002-2012 gg. Azerbaijan purchased 153 in Belarus , in Russia – 62 , Ukraine – 48 , Slovakia – 1 battle tank . The bulk of them are T-72 tanks