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i think G-36 is the best availible option for pak army and we should aquire that. it has the ability of one shoot and one kill. M4 is good too.
pakistani SF looks deadly. they have a series of successes wether in afghanistan wether in kargil or in liberation of kaaba

One shot one kill is possible with any rifle.....so that point is not really valid. M4 is not that good plus it is a carbine not a rifle. G-36 will be expensive.

Oh and one more thing unless you have inside knowledge you have no idea about the successes or failures of the Pak SF. Everything so far you have quoted has not been substantiated.
 
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On the new rifle, I think it will be the PK-08. I think the PK-08 would similar to the Turkish MKE T50 - which looks like an upgraded/modified HK33. The PK-08 has a scope and under rail for grenade launchers - like blain2 mentioned earlier.
 
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why dont some Pak Army officers go on a shopping spree at Darra Adam Khel? you can find almost any gun there....
 
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On the new rifle, I think it will be the PK-08. I think the PK-08 would similar to the Turkish MKE T50 - which looks like an upgraded/modified HK33. The PK-08 has a scope and under rail for grenade launchers - like blain2 mentioned earlier.

Makes sense.....It will be very easy to transfer to the new rifle as the is a great deal of similarity between the G-3 and the Hk-33. The GL will be a great step up in firepower for sections, and hopefully a HK-21 or HK-23 type weapon for section level as well.
 
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This is PK-8 (first picture in the background in PM's hands).
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I think that is literally a scoped HK33E, POF said that the PK-08 will have a folding butt stock and rail for grenade launchers and laser targeting stuff. I think the actual PK-08 looks like the HK-33EA3, but with a scope.
 
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I think that is literally a scoped HK33E, POF said that the PK-08 will have a folding butt stock and rail for grenade launchers and laser targeting stuff. I think the actual PK-08 looks like the HK-33EA3, but with a scope.

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Rifles usually are produced in variants. The Folding butt is typically for Carbine versions of the rifle that can be used by SF and Paratroopers. The trend maybe to have this flexibility for all the rifles in use by common infantry as well. The picture that I posted is from IDEAS as you must know. I suspect some mods have happened to this same rifle. UBGL capability can be added to the rifle in similar manner as it has been on POF G-3s. The integrated sight is the key thing here.

The gun in the foreground is a PK-7 (7.62mm version of the MP-5).
 
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Mark,

Rifles usually are produced in variants. The Folding butt is typically for Carbine versions of the rifle that can be used by SF and Paratroopers. The trend maybe to have this flexibility for all the rifles in use by common infantry as well. The picture that I posted is from IDEAS as you must know. I suspect some mods have happened to this same rifle. UBGL capability can be added to the rifle in similar manner as it has been on POF G-3s. The integrated sight is the key thing here.

The gun in the foreground is a PK-7 (5.56mm version of the MP-5).

Well as you have stated the folding butt is generally used in a specialised role. Folding buttstocks tend to be more prone to being damaged (especially when hitting someone with them)hence their not being used in standard issue.
 
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Well as you have stated the folding butt is generally used in a specialised role. Folding buttstocks tend to be more prone to being damaged (especially when hitting someone with them)hence their not being used in standard issue.

Right but there are materials being produced which would ensure that they would break someone's face before they break themselves ;) The new polymers being used allow skeletonized buttstocks to remain sturdy...the challenge would be for the POF to produce some materials...if not then wooden buttstocks would remain intact in the PK-8 on most rifles except those for SF.
 
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JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - MARCH 07, 2007


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Pakistan tests assault rifle
Andrew White Jane's Land Reporter
London

The Pakistan Ministry of Defence (MoD) has procured 50 PK-8 assault rifles from Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) for evaluation tests as it considers changing calibre in line with NATO armed forces.

The PK-8, which fires the standard NATO 5.56 mm cartridge, has undergone tests in environments ranging from -40˚ C to +50˚ C and the system is being offered as a replacement for the army's existing armoury of 7.62 mm Heckler & Koch G3 assault rifles.

Complete with an Aimpoint optical sight and Picatinny rail for add-on ancillaries such as laser pointers and underslung grenade launchers, the PK-8 has a folding stock, shorter barrel and multiple parts commonality with its larger-calibre G3 relation, according to POF.


Any change in calibre for the army could see the procurement of around 500,000 assault rifles, although POF Director Syed Naseem Raza told Jane's that it was "very happy" with 7.62 mm weapon systems.

Industry sources at POF have recommended that any calibre change be gradually phased in, starting with procurements for the army's Special Service Group (SSG) and light infantry.

Currently, certain units within the Pakistan armed forces already use 5.56 mm systems.

Industry sources told Jane's that they were confident of seeing a new programme within a couple of years.

The army also uses 7.62 mm AK-47 assault rifles and 9 mm MP5 submachine guns.

Speaking at the International Defence Exhibition and Seminar in Karachi in 2006, General Ihsan, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff committee, said that a possible change from 7.62 mm to a more uniform NATO round was being considered.

However, Gen Ihsan admitted that there were "resource constraints" to consider before any decision was made: "We are very conscious of equipping our soldiers with the very best possible weapons and equipment, but we must prioritise our requirements," he said.

"We have paid substantial money into indigenous industry and we must first check this before we think about a changing calibre," said the general. Selecting the PK-8 means the MoD would not have to transfer technology from abroad to fulfil any contract.
 
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