Authentic Hadees Reference of Ghazwa-E-Hind

[Viper0011.]

Who isnt questioning? Isnt this thread up and doing just that?

Did you read the person's post I was responding to? Or are you just as argumentative on everything grandma?

 

[vitalsign]

This is not right...

In the Quran it has repeatedly asked ...."koi hai jo souchay samjhay"

@Akheilos It depends on faith.

 

[Mutakalim]

May be but the this Hadees which is not mentioned in Sihah-e-sitta and which is not mentioned even during the arab invasion of sindh is considered as a weak one.

Source?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

However, the translation seems to have 1 problem it doesnt tell who this "we" are (as per the last 2 hadith in post 30)..and as per the hadith in quesiton:

Well yes indeed. In transliteration and interpretation these two need clarifying.

(i) "We" - I suppose in context this would refer to Muslims as within the context of those times.

(ii) "India" - This is 7th century. Furthermore the transliterator has taken liberties by using the term "India" as I am pretty sure in the original document it must have used the term "Hind". It is matter of transliteration and being accurate to history and time that the appropriate term is used. I am pretty sure in 7th Century Arabian context "Hind" meant modern day Sindh/Indus Valley. At differant times it has had differant meaning. As I showed in the map of British India in 1909 it even included Myanmar/Burma. Over history this term has flexed from meaning Sindh, subcontinent to modern political state.

We have to be mindful of linguistic drift. I might have happily said "I feel gay" in 1950. I am not sure I would say that today to convey my elevated mood as in 2015 most would understand "gay" to mean something else. Of course this is not going to stop the morons to go about "Ghazwa e Hind" to mean call for conquest of modern Indian Republic. Nuanced thinking has never been their forte.

On a side note did you know "Asia" was coined by Ancient Greeks and meant the western coast of Turkey ( Anatolia) originally and over time has morphed to mean an entire continent. In fact in USA today that term would suggest Chinese/Japanese. Far from anything what the Ancient Greeks used that term for.

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) promised that we would invade India. If I live to see that I will sacrifice myself and my wealth. If I am killed, I will be one of the best of the martyrs, and if I come back, I will be Abu Hurairah Al-Muharrar."

 

[Srinivas]

Yea sure read from a secular who isnt even absorbing what he is reading:
explain what this means mr expert in someone else's religion


read what I pasted from the authentic site

Go troll elsewhere in a topic where you wont look like a fool

I do have fair idea about Islam, I have no interest in discussing it here.

do not quote my posts in this thread like an annoying fly.

 

[Viper0011.]

Gandhi is a secular who used to roam with Bagavad Gita in his hand. There is only one meaning of secularism.

Compare Gandhi to Modi is like comparing Peace vs. Violence . Gandhi actually had Philosophy, Modi has Hindu Extremism and 0 philosophy. . But they were both Hindu. Gandhi 1, Modi 0!!!

 

[Srinivas]

Source?

I have mentioned the link in one of my previous posts in this thread.

 

[Dubious]

Questioning is not forbidden but objection is.

Not really....What is forbidden is twisting out of context (mischief)...Now if someone feeds you something from the Quran which is out of context - if you dont question because you believe you cant question.....or object then you will easily fall as sheep...

We were given a brain for a reason...

When Quran says truth stands out from falsehood it means if you will notice the difference if you are true to yourself!

 

[Srinivas]

Compare Gandhi to Modi is like comparing Peace vs. Violence . Gandhi actually had Philosophy, Modi has Hindu Extremism and 0 philosophy. . But they were both Hindu. Gandhi 1, Modi 0!!!

SShhhhh.......Bhakts are here !!

no comment!!

 

[!eon]

@Zarvan you are taking that reference from page of Ameer Muhammad Akram Awan.
Yes, in fact he was the first person who started talking about these Hadees.
but
According to him Zaid hamid was follower of Kazab.

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I would post those soon

 

[Dubious]

Gandhi is a secular who used to roam with Bagavad Gita in his hand. There is only one meaning of secularism.

Secularism like many other man made philosophies has evolved since its debut!

 

[Viper0011.]

SShhhhh.......Bhakts are here !!

What's a Bhakts??

 

[Srinivas]

What's a Bhakts??

Modi Ji's followers !!

 

[Mutakalim]

Not really....What is forbidden is twisting out of context (mischief)...Now if someone feeds you something from the Quran which is out of context - if you dont question because you believe you cant question.....or object then you will easily fall as sheep...

We were given a brain for a reason...

When Quran says truth stands out from falsehood it means if you will notice the difference if you are true to yourself!

Generally agreed. Details can be discussed in details.

 

[Dubious]

Did you read the person's post I was responding to? Or are you just as argumentative on everything grandma?

is it an argument to question you? touchy!

Generally agreed. Details can be discussed in details.

However, it does say when you dont understand go to someone with better knowledge in South Asia it means the oldest man on the street even if he has no knowledge

@Akheilos It depends on faith.

not exactly....There are non Muslims who came to Islam through questioning and thinking...

Islam doesnt stop us from thinking it only stops us from negativeness!

Source?

His secular blog