Govt and military owe India an authentic history of the 1971 Bangladesh War. Rest is mythology

[The Ronin]

Operation chengiz Khan was carried out after Pakistan realised India was fully backing the MB terrorists in East Pakistan.

Then what's with the shelling in border and calling Bangladeshis Indian agent long before war?

And the surrender...93k soldiers didnt surrender.

This guy must be a RAW agent then.

 

[El Sidd]

@The Ronin all India muslim league created East and West Pakistan not Bangladesh.

 

[Tornado23]

Then what's with the shelling in border and calling Bangladeshis Indian agent long before war?



This guy must be a RAW agent then.

I dont understand your point about shelling on the border. That happens so much between Pakistan and India that its almost natural.

Regarding 93k soldiers being pow...

93,000 Pakistani soldiers did not surrender in 1971 because....?

Dr. Junaid Ahmad| December 16, 1971, was an ominous day for Pakistan, because the Pakistani army’s scattered divisions sandwiched between an internal insurgency supported by Indian war machine and Indian army columns finally decided to surrender. To this day popular imagination and rhetoric is...

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[SQ8]

Didn't Pakistan made a preemptive strike on Indian bases from west Pakistan to start the war. 34k thousand soldiers in east couldn't defend and what about the forces in the west why didn't they fight in the west? Should have taken Kashmir, isn't it? Actually it's IA that faced a two front war. Your Army lost and surrendered - end of story.

And here ladies and gentlemen is the typical Indian effort to twist or ignore empirical facts to conduct self fellatio. Wither the fact that the ratio in the west was .9:1 in India’s favor in all aspects but this Bhaktora hypocritical weasel has to paint that his country achieved some miracle against a superior enemy.

In West only, IN was pounding Karachi port at will, IA was running 4000+ sorties and PAF was hiding its inventory, IA has taken over more than 10000+ sq kms of land which we returned along with POWs (read Shimla agreement). Again you guys lost East 'and' West - fair and square, its just require commonsense or a read at any neutral source to figure it out.

Yeah - sure.. right up there you are touting we should have taken Kashmir and here you are sheepishly talking about “neutral” sources. Saale hypocrites to the core.. nikal yahan se

 

[mb444]

@The Ronin all India muslim league created East and West Pakistan not Bangladesh.

Long before there was any concept of pakistan there was the need for Muslim Bengal within the Bengal presidency...that was the primary purpose of Muslim league. Its inception in Dhaka rather than somewhere in todays india or pakistan is a testament to the origination of idea of muslim sovereignty being solely Bengali Muslim in origin.

Just cause others jumped in the bandwagon later does not change the facts on the ground.

 

[Vapnope]

Didn't Pakistan made a preemptive strike on Indian bases from west Pakistan to start the war. 34k thousand soldiers in east couldn't defend and what about the forces in the west why didn't they fight in the west? Should have taken Kashmir, isn't it? Actually it's IA that faced a two front war. Your Army lost and surrendered - end of story.

We got chamb (Iftekhar abad now) and we pounded Patiala 1 at Hussaini wala in 1971 despite being at disadvantage. Only if IA was that brilliant in planning and execution, Kashmir would have been taken back but it never happened and now Lt Gen Panag wonders why.

 

[El Sidd]

Long before there was any concept of pakistan there was the need for Muslim Bengal within the Bengal presidency...that was the primary purpose of Muslim league. Its inception in Dhaka rather than somewhere in todays india or pakistan is a testament to the origination of idea of muslim sovereignty being solely Bengali Muslim in origin.

Just cause others jumped in the bandwagon later does not change the facts on the ground.

So what about bengali muslims of India? are they Cain to your Abel?

 

[Tom-tom]

Umm....OK

Good god absolutely no..... BDs most certainly do not want the hindutva brigade in their midst....the muslim league did not form in Dhaka because we thought west bengal is an integral part of Bangladesh.

Both of you have a twisted view of Bangladesh. The Muslim league was first formed from what I remember was in 1914 Dhaka.

There was two competing camps for a independent United bengal that's secular and the other was full of Muslim Conservative that backed the Muslim league.


At the start and from grass roots most of the support for Muslim league came from Bangladesh

 

[mb444]

So what about bengali muslims of India? are they Cain to your Abel?

They are simply bengali muslims of india.

They are Abel to our Abel.

 

[arjunk]

IA has taken over more than 10000+ sq kms of land

Of which 99% was undefended sandy shitholes in Sindh or rocky shitholes in Ladakh. Pakistani gains in Punjab and Kashmir were enough to make India give up its 10000+ kms of land along with the 93,000 PoWs. You think Indira Gandhi was a sissy who would give all that away for free?

This guy must be a RAW agent then.

They were 45,000 regulars in East Pakistan in 1971. The rest of the PoWs are not regular soldiers.

 

[SaadH]

Superb military operation against 34,000 regulars, 16 jets and a handful of m24 light tanks from ww2. Whilst you had 150,000 soldiers, 150 jets and an entire AC. That coupled with another 200k MB terrorists.

End result? 30,000+ mb dead, 1500+ indian soldiers dead, 19 aircraft shot down. Brilliant.

The only time you sent a small force to fight another small force was in Kargil. Where you got your *** whooped. Even then, you still had 30,000 soldiers backed by your airforce against 5000 NLI

8 jets only, half a squadron

 

[mb444]

Both of you have a twisted view of Bangladesh. The Muslim league was first formed from what I remember was in 1914 Dhaka.

There was two competing camps for a independent United bengal that's secular and the other was full of Muslim Conservative that backed the Muslim league.


At the start and from grass roots most of the support for Muslim league came from Bangladesh

You lack the basic fundamentals..... you are talking about united bengal movement during partition in the 1940's.

That had little to do with why muslim league started....

The muslims of bengal wanted sovereignty and all muslims parties were united in that view.

If it was united Bengal with muslim majority that was acceptable, what was not is any permutation of event where muslims are a minority.

No bengali muslims backed united india.

 

[SaadH]

Then what's with the shelling in border and calling Bangladeshis Indian agent long before war?



This guy must be a RAW agent then.

So he counted all the 93K himself? He probably just took the number given to him by the Indian forces and ran with it.

 

[Tom-tom]

You lack the basic fundamentals..... you are talking about united bengal movement during partition in the 1940's.

That had little to do with why muslim league started....

The muslims of bengal wanted sovereignty and all muslims parties were united in that view.

If it was united Bengal with muslim majority that was acceptable, what was not is any permutation of event where muslims are a minority.

No bengali muslims backed united india.

I said there were 2 competing camps 1 for a United bengal that secular, this dates back to late 1800's.

The other camp was the all Indian Muslim league which was founded established in Dhaka between 1900-1914. Which turned into the infamous Muslim league calling for a separate Muslim homeland in for Indian Muslims.

At its very inception at the start the grass root support started in bengal and the organisation first became established in Dhaka.


Bengal saw some some of the worst Hindu Muslim violence.

 

[Tom-tom]

You lack the basic fundamentals..... you are talking about united bengal movement during partition in the 1940's.

That had little to do with why muslim league started....

The muslims of bengal wanted sovereignty and all muslims parties were united in that view.

If it was united Bengal with muslim majority that was acceptable, what was not is any permutation of event where muslims are a minority.

No bengali muslims backed united india.

I said there were 2 competing camps 1 for a United bengal that secular, this dates back to late 1800's.

The other camp was the all Indian Muslim league which was founded established in Dhaka between 1900-1914. Which turned into the infamous Muslim league calling for a separate Muslim homeland in for Indian Muslims.

At its very inception at the start the grass root support started in bengal and the organisation first became established in Dhaka.


Bengal saw some some of the worst Hindu Muslim violence.

I think you are mostly right, bengali muslims wanted independent sovereignty but a united bengal as separation between East and west spelled hardship for many.