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The target selection of the terrorists really baffles me. Why Saab?

People firing RPGs from the primeter, its big its close enough just shoot at any thing that looks like a target. Your looking at the planes from pics on a comp in a nice room with perhaps a coffee.
Now we are going to test your aircraft recogniton skills in the dark while we shoot at you while half your team is down and either dead or screaming you have one second pic your target go, now, shoot, too late. your dead.

Did they pic the saab or just shoot at the big white one?
 
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About SAAB destroyed completely....Some other people from Kamra colony are claiming the same...many say they have heard the reports from somebody they know who works at the airbase....
I haven't posted any of these "Confirmed reports" as none of their stories make sens....At lest not to me.

I will wait for official confirmation ....

They do not make sense to you because they are the usual Pakistani sensationalist rumour mill in overdrive. See my previous post for what an official source says - and PAF has said all along -- 1 aircraft damaged -- now confirmed as will be repaired in Pakistan. If someone has an official source saying otherwise - please post. Some 'guys' someone spoke to who knows someone who sweeps up outside Kamra is not a source worth listening to or posting. Full aircrafts of this type destroyed is not something that can be hidden / lied about. Full stop.
 
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Speaking after he was briefed by senior PAF officials, Qamar said the aircraft was hit either by bullets or fragments of a rocket-propelled grenade fired by the terrorists.

This statement is really absurd. Any two taka can identify a bullet hole and shrapnel.
 
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They do not make sense to you because they are the usual Pakistani sensationalist rumour mill in overdrive. See my previous post for what an official source says - and PAF has said all along -- 1 aircraft damaged -- now confirmed as will be repaired in Pakistan. If someone has an official source saying otherwise - please post. Some 'guys' someone spoke to who knows someone who sweeps up outside Kamra is not a source worth listening to or posting. Full aircrafts of this type destroyed is not something that can be hidden / lied about. Full stop.

Myself being a guy from 1970s knows how good we Pakistanis are at believing and then exaggerating just about any rumors....
Those who remember "Hathoraa Group" will know what i mean :lol:
 
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Dawn news reports

KAMRA, Aug 16: The only terrorist who died outside the boundary of the PAF base here on Thursday killed himself to evade arrest after police surrounded the mound where he was holed up in order to attack the sentry post. He attacked with an AK-47 rifle but the two personnel at the post remained safe.

The attacker had crept onto the mound in front of the post about 100 metres from there when his accomplices were busy cutting wires to provide cover, but security personnel alerted before he could select the targets and he had to remain in a natural trench on top of the mound for four hours before he was surrounded by police.

“I think he was wounded either in firing by the sentry post or by police reinforcements,” an official said.

Taking advantage of darkness, the man took position at the mound while a group of attackers used a four-foot ladder to make an opening in the three-foot barbed wires and jumped into the premises.

After the security operation successfully ended in late afternoon, a group of villagers sitting tense under trees in a village graveyard said the spot to cut wires had been carefully selected because it was between two sentry posts and the visibility there was poorest due to dim light.

But the villagers were cautious enough to clarify their own position.

“These were not local people and we have never been involved in any wrongdoing,” Abdul Moid of Kamra Chota village said.

“We have always cooperated with the authorities and if anything wrong is seen we inform police or the FIU.”


Another resident whose house is located not far from the boundary wall said: “We have always considered them (PAF) as brothers and defenders of the nation. Now the terrorists scaled the wall just opposite my house. This is really depressing for us.”

Kamra Chota, located at the rear of the base and near the villages of Suleman Makhan and Kamra Bara, is the least developed among the three and the land there is less fertile.

Though poor, the people of the village were peace-loving, cooperative and decent, local police and intelligence personnel told this reporter.

As the operation continued to subdue the infiltrators, a group of federal security personnel went about in the village to map the area and the mound where the attacker was holed up.

Looking at the marks the security personal said that the attack was not an action in isolation and it was clear that facilitators were present somewhere around.

Most security analysts and experts speaking on the electronic media acknowledged an intelligence failure and also blamed the local authorities, especially Punjab police, for not keeping an eye on adjoining localities.

The area falls in the jurisdiction of the Karma police post under the Attock Saddar police station. The post has a huge area to cover, including a new Sanjwal Road that leads to Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) and has link towards the Karma base.

But, headed by a sub-inspector, the post has only nine personnel and one van to contain crime, handle local disputes and maintain round the clock vigil.

“It is always easy and customary to blame police for everything,” a policeman deputed at the post said.

“Everybody is talking about an intelligence tip about an attack on Kamra, but even the fuel allocation for the Elite Force has been cut and they have reduced patrolling during nights.”

Local people acknowledged that there were supporters of terrorism, including Taliban, in nearby villages.

“We are all against the Taliban and have ideological differences with them,” Mohammad Rizwan of Kamra Chota said. “However, there are issues in Kamra Bara and there are also many outsiders like imams of mosques.”

Since there is only one way to Kamra Chota through Suleman Makhan and Kamra Bara and the attackers were not inside the former village they must have come from outside. One can easily guess that the attackers used a vehicle to go to the village graveyard and moved to positions.

“It is unrealistic to imagine that a group of people would be walking with loads like shoulder-launched rockets, ladder, guns and explosive material on the streets on the Shabeena when almost everybody is awake,” a security official said.

In Kamra Bara, one sees a couple of mosques and seminaries with flags of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan hoisted on them and locals say there is a breed of new clerics in the village who do not respect traditional norms.
 
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Dawn news reports

KAMRA, Aug 16: The only terrorist who died outside the boundary of the PAF base here on Thursday killed himself to evade arrest after police surrounded the mound where he was holed up in order to attack the sentry post. He attacked with an AK-47 rifle but the two personnel at the post remained safe.

The attacker had crept onto the mound in front of the post about 100 metres from there when his accomplices were busy cutting wires to provide cover, but security personnel alerted before he could select the targets and he had to remain in a natural trench on top of the mound for four hours before he was surrounded by police.

“I think he was wounded either in firing by the sentry post or by police reinforcements,” an official said.

Taking advantage of darkness, the man took position at the mound while a group of attackers used a four-foot ladder to make an opening in the three-foot barbed wires and jumped into the premises.

After the security operation successfully ended in late afternoon, a group of villagers sitting tense under trees in a village graveyard said the spot to cut wires had been carefully selected because it was between two sentry posts and the visibility there was poorest due to dim light.

But the villagers were cautious enough to clarify their own position.

“These were not local people and we have never been involved in any wrongdoing,” Abdul Moid of Kamra Chota village said.

“We have always cooperated with the authorities and if anything wrong is seen we inform police or the FIU.”


Another resident whose house is located not far from the boundary wall said: “We have always considered them (PAF) as brothers and defenders of the nation. Now the terrorists scaled the wall just opposite my house. This is really depressing for us.”

Kamra Chota, located at the rear of the base and near the villages of Suleman Makhan and Kamra Bara, is the least developed among the three and the land there is less fertile.

Though poor, the people of the village were peace-loving, cooperative and decent, local police and intelligence personnel told this reporter.

As the operation continued to subdue the infiltrators, a group of federal security personnel went about in the village to map the area and the mound where the attacker was holed up.

Looking at the marks the security personal said that the attack was not an action in isolation and it was clear that facilitators were present somewhere around.

Most security analysts and experts speaking on the electronic media acknowledged an intelligence failure and also blamed the local authorities, especially Punjab police, for not keeping an eye on adjoining localities.

The area falls in the jurisdiction of the Karma police post under the Attock Saddar police station. The post has a huge area to cover, including a new Sanjwal Road that leads to Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) and has link towards the Karma base.

But, headed by a sub-inspector, the post has only nine personnel and one van to contain crime, handle local disputes and maintain round the clock vigil.

“It is always easy and customary to blame police for everything,” a policeman deputed at the post said.

“Everybody is talking about an intelligence tip about an attack on Kamra, but even the fuel allocation for the Elite Force has been cut and they have reduced patrolling during nights.”

Local people acknowledged that there were supporters of terrorism, including Taliban, in nearby villages.

“We are all against the Taliban and have ideological differences with them,” Mohammad Rizwan of Kamra Chota said. “However, there are issues in Kamra Bara and there are also many outsiders like imams of mosques.”

Since there is only one way to Kamra Chota through Suleman Makhan and Kamra Bara and the attackers were not inside the former village they must have come from outside. One can easily guess that the attackers used a vehicle to go to the village graveyard and moved to positions.

“It is unrealistic to imagine that a group of people would be walking with loads like shoulder-launched rockets, ladder, guns and explosive material on the streets on the Shabeena when almost everybody is awake,” a security official said.

In Kamra Bara, one sees a couple of mosques and seminaries with flags of the banned Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan hoisted on them and locals say there is a breed of new clerics in the village who do not respect traditional norms.

It looks like an IRA style operation...
The attackers must have been active in the area for some time,dumping ammunition and equipment in a trench or covered place near the boundary wall..probably in a desolated spot in the graveyard they have been dumping equipment and ammo over extended period of time...

Once again my suspicion is on the thousands of Afghan refugees in the area who freely move about in the area and have no recorded Identity anywhere...

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Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt visited the Minhas airbase on Friday and was briefed about the sequence of operations against the militants.

Base Commander Air Commodore Muhammad Azam, who was injured during this operation, also accompanied him during the visit.

Addressing a joint gathering of the base personnel and army troops deployed at the base, the air chief said: “We must understand and realise that we are in a state of war, that too against a hidden enemy. These cowardly attacks cannot weaken our resolve to defend our motherland.”

The air chief attended the funeral parade of Sepoy Muhammad Iqbal. He also visited the PAF Hospital Kamra to enquire about the health of three security officials who received injuries from the detonation of suicide jacket during the operation. All three were discharged Friday evening, a press release said.

Nine heavily-armed militants dressed in military fatigues and armed with rocket-propelled grenades and suicide vests stormed the PAF base on Thursday, sparking heavy clashes that killed one security official and nine attackers at the base, which is a vital installation located in Kamra, outside Attock.

Kamra infiltrators: 4 Minhas base attackers identified, says Malik – The Express Tribune
 
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It looks like an IRA style operation...
The attackers must have been active in the area for some time,dumping ammunition and equipment in a trench or covered place near the boundary wall..probably in a desolated spot in the graveyard they have been dumping equipment and ammo over extended period of time...

Once again my suspicion is on the thousands of Afghan refugees in the area who freely move about in the area and have no recorded Identity anywhere...

In that case our favor and the sense of brotherhood for the suffering afghani refugees is paying us back big time in a horrible manner, what we did was to provide them shelter by opening boarders and let millions of refugees come and settle in but it might was one of the biggest mistake in our history .... They are in millions with no identification. I agree that there are many innocents who are earning their living through so much hard work but you cant deny the extremist factors ...and the fact that many afghanis still blame us and call us in a bad manner on the other side of the border


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This shows that atleast one erieye is safe

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This shows that atleast one erieye is safe

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I believe they said the nose was damaged, here we see the mid fuselage.. I do not know how you arrived at that conclusion.
 
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I believe they said the nose was damaged, here we see the mid fuselage.. I do not know how you arrived at that conclusion.

It proves that if it is the case then its only the nose thus most probably repairable and the planar array and fuselage is safe ...
 
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It proves that if it is the case then its only the nose thus most probably repairable and the planar array and fuselage is safe ...

I think it would be best to wait for the official statement on this.
 
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In that case our favor and the sense of brotherhood for the suffering afghani refugees is paying us back big time in a horrible manner, what we did was to provide them shelter by opening boarders and let millions of refugees come and settle in but it might was one of the biggest mistake in our history .... They are in millions with no identification. I agree that there are many innocents who are earning their living through so much hard work but you cant deny the extremist factors ...and the fact that many afghanis still blame us and call us in a bad manner on the other side of the border


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This shows that atleast one erieye is safe

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lo a gya saab:rofl::rofl:
 
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I think it would be best to wait for the official statement on this.

This is exactly what many have been saying ever since the start of this thread but unfortunately a rumor is following another rumor, people simply are not ready to wait for an official statement.
 
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This statement is really absurd. Any two taka can identify a bullet hole and shrapnel.

Maybe it is. He was briefed - perhaps he was told that damage was from shrapnell and/or bullits. Regardless that is not the issue here -- the point here is -- 1 aircraft damaged -- to be repaired in Pakistan--not 2 'destroyed' and 1 damaged as has been portrayed by some -- based entirely on rumour mill and no named source. We have even had people posting pics from the Mehran attack as 'proof'. At best this is people jumping on the sensationalisation bandwagon without facts at worst it is people deliberatley misleading -- both should be condemned.

I think it would be best to wait for the official statement on this.

I have posted a report quoting the defence minister of Pakistan giving details of the damage to one aircraft only- saying repair to be done in Pakistan - Aircraft then to be sent to Sweden for check up. If Defence Minister who was briefed by PAF high ups is not official -- not sure what will qualify.
 
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