At last Pakistan is getting J-10

[melb4aust]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to purchase state-of-the-art Chinese F-10 (Jian-10) multi-role fighter-cum-bomber planes while the decision pertaining to purchase of US made ultra modern F-16 planes would be made in July next.


There is more, :banana2: Moscow has also given agreen signal to sell their latest state of art tech aircrafts to Pakistan............

Read the full article here:

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-dai.../main/main8.htm

 

[sword9]

Originally posted by melb4aust@Apr 3 2006, 07:52 AM
There is more, :banana2: Moscow has also given agreen signal to sell their latest state of art tech aircrafts to Pakistan............

Read the full article here:

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-dai.../main/main8.htm

The article has only posted assumptions and "signals from Moscow" with any quotes to any official from Russia. Moscow wants hard cash and would not want to loose a bigger customer.

There's always a slip between the cup and the lip.

 

[Neo]

Great news and interesting development.
This could mean that sales of RD-93 for JF-17 is in the cards. :thumbsup:

 

[EagleEyes]

If India goes for U.S. Russia will go with Pakistan just to piss India off. Since the peace process is going on we can buy Russian choppers right now, and they would be passed.

The good thing right now is that Pakistan is going for weapons with transfer of technology, and the most best part is that we are getting 2 squadrons of J-10. I think it is not bad, and it is following the policy of having 50-50 Chinese and Western technology in Pakistans inventory.

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by sword9@Apr 3 2006, 01:18 PM
Moscow wants hard cash and would not want to loose a bigger customer.

Who doesn't, but today Russia isn't that desperate for hard cash.
Revenues from oil and gas exports are surging and the trend is to continue for a long time to come.

Time will tell..

 

[Neo]

Originally posted by WebMaster@Apr 3 2006, 04:45 PM
If India goes for U.S. Russia will go with Pakistan just to piss India off. Since the peace process is going on we can buy Russian choppers right now, and they would be passed.

The good thing right now is that Pakistan is going for weapons with transfer of technology, and the most best part is that we are getting 2 squadrons of J-10. I think it is not bad, and it is following the policy of having 50-50 Chinese and Western technology in Pakistans inventory.

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I hope the news is not biased, hipe to find more links from Russia and China soon.

Imho, two batches is just a start, the plance is considerably cheaper than the F-16C/D so more will come in follow up orders.
If delivered with ToT, the fighter can be built even cheaper than in China.

 

[Sid]

Janes Defence just reported that the Russians are still NOT prepared to let Pakistan have RD-93 on its Jf-17s. So much for 'positive Russian signals'.

 

[Thunder]

Yes, finally i get to see J-10s in pakistani colours :flag: . But now atleast we will get to know how good the J-10 really is. There is too much wrong info on the net about j-10. Some say, it's as good as eurofighter, some say it's as good as F-16blk 40. And so on. But this is indeed good news.

As for them russians. Well personally i don't think PAF would buy alot of stuff from them, knowing that their planes are huge and can't be stealth gives them a disvantage against their western and chinese counterparts. Also they'll be really hard and expensive to mantian. India is a huge country and has a huge GDP when compared to ours. They are rich enough to support a whole airforce made up of russian fighters etc.

Most likely PAF would buy SAM's, choppers, ASEA radar or one of those fancy passive radars from the russians. And possibily some engine and mounverabilty know how

 

[Bull]

If India goes for U.S. Russia will go with Pakistan just to piss India off. Since the peace process is going on we can buy Russian choppers right now, and they would be passed.

Russia will lose more by going with pakistan than US would by going with India.

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[Bull]

Can anyone post China confirmation of the sale to pakistan.?
Dont read too much into Russian pak relationship,If India can stop Russia from selling RD 93 to China then they can very well stop it from selling to Pakistan.

 

[melb4aut]

That was quite expected from Pakistan and very well planned game, and was played well too. Pakistan used the earth quake reason to delay the deal of F-16's with US. And Why not? J-10 is a good choice, Pakistan wont have to rely on US for parts, armaments and such other things. Dont have to worry about the sanctions. Plus its cheap and can be given with the transfer of technology and much more advance with BVR. It has a navel version as well, that can help the navy on its shores and away.

So Good Luck Pakistan.

 

[viper`in`style]

Allha ho Akbar

Yes finaly we got J-10 INSHA ALLHA WE WILL SEE J-10 IN PAKISTANI COLOUR

about J-10 yes indeed a good multo role Having TVC Engine, nice payload having 11 hard points, good radar having a range of 100+km, good avionics
So i think good multi role for Pakistan

 

[EagleEyes]

Rafale and Typhoon dreams are now out of question. J-10 i believe is a pretty good option, it will be pretty good for our air force to have it. Its much better than Su-30 and Su-27 variants, but what we need with J-10 is a good tracking and engaging capability. Also it would be nice to have AESA or PESA radar fitted in there to give it a quite good edge compare to our counter part, Su-30MKI.

Since the numbers are very few its possible that we should be able to get a good radar system. If Chinese are taking time we can go to French and ask for help. Although WS-10A is in a pretty good stage. The nose of the aircraft is also not a problem in fitting the radar since it is big enough, so it is a very good chance that we will be able to equip an AESA radar with it.

 

[master_fx]

Rafale and Typhoon dreams are now out of question. J-10 i believe is a pretty good option, it will be pretty good for our air force to have it. Its much better than Su-30 and Su-27 variants, but what we need with J-10 is a good tracking and engaging capability. Also it would be nice to have AESA or PESA radar fitted in there to give it a quite good edge compare to our counter part, Su-30MKI.

Since the numbers are very few its possible that we should be able to get a good radar system. If Chinese are taking time we can go to French and ask for help. Although WS-10A is in a pretty good stage. The nose of the aircraft is also not a problem in fitting the radar since it is big enough, so it is a very good chance that we will be able to equip an AESA radar with it.

ur damn right!!!
check this out:
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/apr2006-daily/03-04-2006/main/main8.htm

Pakistan may buy US, Chinese and Soviet planes​

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir​

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to purchase state-of-the-art Chinese F-10 (Jian-10) multi-role fighter-cum-bomber planes while the decision pertaining to purchase of US made ultra modern F-16 planes would be made in July next.
Meanwhile Moscow has signalled to Pakistan that like the US, it could also de-hyphenate its ties with Pakistan and India. As a result of this change in thinking, Pakistan could also go for Russian made planes for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).
The first batch of high-profile JF/Thunder-17 aircraft jointly being manufactured by Pakistan and China will be ready for induction early next year, ahead of the schedule. These planes would be flying in the same year in the skies of Pakistan and China as part of their respective air forces. Air Chief Marshal Tanveer Mahmood Ahmad Chief of the Air Staff will visit China shortly to inspect the project. It will be his first foreign trip as the Air Chief.
Highly placed defence production sources revealed to The News here the other day that Federal Secretary for Defence Production Lt Gen Ali Jan Orakzaie who had gone to China last month has now returned to Islamabad after an extremely fruitful visit. He was tasked by President Musharraf with exploring the possibilities of acquiring the high-tech planes and other weaponry systems for the three services preferably with transfer of technology basis.
During his visit to China in February this year, President General Pervez Musharraf was shown the F-10 (also called as J-10 or Jian-10) considered to be the Chinese most secret flying machine. He was the first foreign dignitary/head of the state who chanced to see the demonstration of the multi-role fighter. It is the part of Chinese fourth generation fighter programme which sent waves of worry in India. Indian sources used to say that the programme had the collaboration of Pakistan, Israel, Russia, France and Italy. The rumour based Indian speculation was never owned or denied by the Chinese who love to maintain their peculiar style. The Indians used to say that Israeli input was visible on design while electronics and weapon technology had the mark of French assistance. The F-10 also has the similarities with Israel's Lavi fighter, but predominantly it has the edge like Russian Sukhoi Su-30 MK multi-role aircraft that has in some aspects outsmarted the US made F-16. Russians have supplied 100 such planes to China recently for induction in Peoples Chinese Air Force (PCAF).
Sources indicated that F-10 are the aircraft of the new century and they have recently been rolled out. No one knows the number and positioning of the planes as Chinese kept the secret close to their chest till now considering it as their secret weapon. With an understanding about provision of the planes to Pakistan, Beijing has unveiled it since the plane in question would fly for the first time out of the air frontiers of China. The Chinese engineers and scientists are still working to improve it further. Pakistan has decided to buy in first stance two squadrons of these planes. The mode of supply and price would be worked out through the system both the countries have. Secretary defence production has confirmed Pakistan's intention of buying the J-10 aircraft.
In another related development Pakistan has planned to buy US made F-16 in less number and in all likelihood the number would be cut to half of what Islamabad had initially planned to purchase. Pakistan had made up its mind to buy 55 brand new F-16, but now the number which Pakistan is expected to ask is 25 while 30 used planes will be bought from sources that the United States will identify. The second-hand planes will be later upgraded by the Americans and they could be provided by the US Air Force (USAF) or from any third country, the sources added.
F-16 are considered to be a passion of the PAF since they were the first high-tech flying machines that were inducted in its fleet. Pakistan had made up its mind to buy 75 new F-16 last year. The matter was at its final stage and the required legislation was about to be tabled in the US Congress for facilitation of the supply, but the devastating earthquake of October 8 last year forced Pakistan to request shelving the plan for the time being and Pakistan requested the US to keep the matter pending.
Meanwhile Pakistan is also eying the Russian defence production market. When President General Pervez Musharaf visited Moscow in February 2003, the Russians offered to Pakistan choppers but the deal could not materialize for certain reasons and now Islamabad has received positive signals from Moscow that could encourage it to buy some Russian planes. The Russian technology is very close to that being used by the Chinese and it would not be a difficult proposition for Pakistan to maintain such a system if Russians agree to supply Pakistan, the sources hinted. The Russian defence products are comparatively cheaper than the Western products.
Sources said that Islamabad and Moscow have started making contacts to initiate cooperation in the field of defence in some way. The Russians stakes are high in the case of defence supplies for the Indians but ever since New Delhi has opted to go in Washington's orbit in a big way, Moscow is considering Pakistan's request favourably, the sources added.
A visit of Ali Muhammad Jan Orakzaie to Washington in July next is on the cards.
The Joint Defence Consultative Group (JDCP) of Pakistan and the United States has been convened in early May in Washington. Federal Defence Secretary Lt Gen Tariq Waseem Ghazi will lead Pakistan's delegation in the JDCP while the host country's delegation will be led by Eric S Edelman under secretary of defence (Policy) of the United States. The group had its meeting in Pakistan early last year and it is expected that the May meeting of the group will take stock of Pakistan's needs especially for its efforts to eliminate terrorists from its soil. The lists pertaining to Pakistan's requirements in this regard are being finalized, the sources said. The ministry of defence production will be represented in the JDCP by its additional secretary.

 

[Bull]

The report is vague and just quotes sources without naming them.
Pakistan was expected to get J 10 some day or the other and also the is the case with JF 17.

But whats the news about Russian arms purchase?The article hasnt quoted a single russian source as confirmation.

IIRC sometime back the same news paper revealed that PAf signed for rafael???and it never came out to be true.