Army pushes Taliban back to Afghanistan.

[VCheng]

If uncle Sam was ever interested than they would have rounded those scumbags from the other end.

Alas we all know TTP is an asset of many parties to keep Pakistan in check.

Well, how do "we all know"? Another baseless allegation with no substance in fact.

 

[Juice]

I will, check this in the meanwhile sir. This is what the land of the free mass murders does to the ashes of its righteous soldiers.

Ashes of 274 U.S. troops dumped in landfill: Report | World | News | Toronto Sun

That was done on purpose...cause we hate our troops. (you are bright enough to detect sarcasm? wasn't sure...so I spelled it out)

 

[DV RULES]

Well, if Uncle Sam is such a good host at providing shelter and food, then why are his troops dying too? Could it be that much of what you say is factually incorrect?

He is the good host even better than you are thinking, but matter to accept otherwise it just like "Deevar mein danda dena". I hope you understand.

 

[Fracker]

Well, how do "we all know"? Another baseless allegation with no substance in fact.

How many proofs you need dear?

1) Before 2003 (or I should say before US presense in Afghanistan) there was no bomb blast or attack on pakistani military.
2) In 2001, this Abdullah Masoud was in USA, and he came back to pakistan safely (without a scratch) and declare jihad against Pakistan.
3) In swat operation, these Taliban's had snippers, night googles, automatic weapons, which even Pakistan didn't had at that time.
4) In 2006, when Pakistan declare to build fence along with Afghanistan it was USA who opposed initially then Afghan Government followed them.
5) Mullah Umer said 3 times that I don't know who these TTP are, I never meet him. And also Mullah Umer said once, if they are true Taliban then they shouldn't attack Pakistan but outsiders in Afghanistan with us. But they didn't respond on this invitation.

Need more facts?

 

[VCheng]

How many proofs you need dear?

1) Before 2003 (or I should say before US presense in Afghanistan) there was no bomb blast or attack on pakistani military.
2) In 2001, this Abdullah Masoud was in USA, and he came back to pakistan safely (without a scratch) and declare jihad against Pakistan.
3) In swat operation, these Taliban's had snippers, night googles, automatic weapons, which even Pakistan didn't had at that time.
4) In 2006, when Pakistan declare to build fence along with Afghanistan it was USA who opposed initially then Afghan Government followed them.
5) Mullah Umer said 3 times that I don't know who these TTP are, I never meet him. And also Mullah Umer said once, if they are true Taliban then they shouldn't attack Pakistan but outsiders in Afghanistan with us. But they didn't respond on this invitation.

Need more facts?

Yes, facts are needed; what you describe above are mere insinuations, coincidences or uncorroborated conjectures:

1. All the terrorist fugitives moved into FATA and Swat due to lax border controls and poor Pakistan government authority over its own territory after they were being killed in increasing numbers in Afghanistan.

2. So? Afghanistan has long been a bazaar for illegal military equipment, encouraged by many parties, including Russia, Iran, and Pakistan, to name a few.

3. Because USA wanted a cooperative strategy on both sides of the border.

4. Mullah Umar was/is not exactly a believable source, is he?

5. Because there are many other considerations that go into the process, not just an "invitation".

See how that can work for the other side of the coin?

 

[LeGenD]

My Dear Sir , i asked you to prove my two things . here i will paste it again

Show me statement of a TTP leader saying they will Attack US Installments in Afghanistan , and Show me a statement of Afg Taliban saying they will attack Pakistan


tell me one more thing , when Pakistan asks US to close the border alongside Waziristan , why is there still no answer from the other side . ??

Please do not ask me to provide source when you yourself are unable to do so .

You have presented facts?

You think that 'your statements' are facts?

First read about TTP: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan | Mapping Militant Organizations

Now here is a question for you:

Who killed Baitullah Mehsud?

As far as i know I have presented two facts

1. TTP Never Attacks US instillation, My Fact, Prove me Wrong

2. Afg Taliban ( The Real ones ) Never Threaten to attack Pakistan , My Fact, Prove me Wrong.


and then i asked a Question .

Why USA has not agreed to close borders alongside Waziristan ?

Can you Prove me Wrong , if you can Please go ahead do it , give me links , give me facts , give me statements , However if you cannot then please don't come here claiming to know all the facts , you have never been there , you dont know the realities ,

So until you can answer my 3 Question please dont ask me to give you proof , because i can & i will . you Cannot.

See above.

My friend, do not jump to premature conclusions like many fellow Pakistani do.

Things are not so black and white in reality. Their are grey shades as well.

And USA will not close Pak-Afghan border due to sensitivity of Afghans on this matter.

 

[CENTCOM]

If uncle Sam was ever interested than they would have rounded those scumbags from the other end.

Alas we all know TTP is an asset of many parties to keep Pakistan in check.

We’ve already emphasized the importance of cross-border coordination between the regional allies. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it is in the best interests of our nations to see these terrorists defeated. The issue of cross-border attacks exists on both sides of the border, and we are not expecting Pakistan alone to shoulder responsibility for protecting the borders. We must work together to address this issue. Our forces, along with the ANSF, are actively targeting the terrorists crossing the border from Afghanistan. We can defeat these terrorists through close cooperation. We reiterate what Richard Hoagland, the charge d ’affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, said recently: “In this dangerous world where terrorists can strike at any moment, we must all work together – Pakistanis and Americans alike – because we have a strong mutual interest in defeating terrorism.”

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil/Ur

 

[RazPaK]

^

So far it seems NATO is only effective at targeting Pakistani border troops.COUGH...Salala checkpost...COUGH...COUGH....

 

[Don Jaguar]

We’ve already emphasized the importance of cross-border coordination between the regional allies. We are fighting the same terrorists, and it is in the best interests of our nations to see these terrorists defeated. The issue of cross-border attacks exists on both sides of the border, and we are not expecting Pakistan alone to shoulder responsibility for protecting the borders. We must work together to address this issue. Our forces, along with the ANSF, are actively targeting the terrorists crossing the border from Afghanistan. We can defeat these terrorists through close cooperation. We reiterate what Richard Hoagland, the charge d ’affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, said recently: “In this dangerous world where terrorists can strike at any moment, we must all work together – Pakistanis and Americans alike – because we have a strong mutual interest in defeating terrorism.”

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil/Ur

Can't the US army just seal the Pakistan-Afghanistan border?

 

[laiqs@mi]

Yes, facts are needed; what you describe above are mere insinuations, coincidences or uncorroborated conjectures:

1. All the terrorist fugitives moved into FATA and Swat due to lax border controls and poor Pakistan government authority over its own territory after they were being killed in increasing numbers in Afghanistan.

2. So? Afghanistan has long been a bazaar for illegal military equipment, encouraged by many parties, including Russia, Iran, and Pakistan, to name a few.

3. Because USA wanted a cooperative strategy on both sides of the border.

4. Mullah Umar was/is not exactly a believable source, is he?

5. Because there are many other considerations that go into the process, not just an "invitation".

See how that can work for the other side of the coin?

more loyal to king then king himself........

You have presented facts?

You think that 'your statements' are facts?

First read about TTP: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan | Mapping Militant Organizations

Now here is a question for you:

Who killed Baitullah Mehsud?


See above.

My friend, do not jump to premature conclusions like many fellow Pakistani do.

Things are not so black and white in reality. Their are grey shades as well.

And USA will not close Pak-Afghan border due to sensitivity of Afghans on this matter.

who let Taliban leaders escape from torabora???
who let escape baitullah when Pakistan asked US to kill him . ... he was killed when he was not needed mor.
who is giving TTp shelter inside afghanistan???
these are question you cant answer.

 

[CENTCOM]

Can't the US army just seal the Pakistan-Afghanistan border?

Dear DonJaguar,

This question comes up from time to time. Richard Hoagland, the charge d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, made a statement recently that answers your question. He said, “Pakistan is a neighbor and a brother of Afghanistan. There is no way, ever, to separate the two. You cannot build a fence along the entire border and say no one will ever cross it. I have no doubt that Pakistan wants a stable, friendly and eventually prosperous Afghanistan. And I know from what officials have said, whether it is military … or civilian … that is where Pakistan is looking for the future.”

As we’ve said before, it is imperative for all the regional partners to be on the same page in regards to our common mission. We cannot have a stable region without a stable Pakistan or Afghanistan.

LTC Taylor,
DET, United States Central Command
www.Centcom.mil/Ur

 

[F.O.X]

You have presented facts?

You think that 'your statements' are facts?

First read about TTP: Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan | Mapping Militant Organizations

Now here is a question for you:

Who killed Baitullah Mehsud?


See above.

My friend, do not jump to premature conclusions like many fellow Pakistani do.

Things are not so black and white in reality. Their are grey shades as well.

And USA will not close Pak-Afghan border due to sensitivity of Afghans on this matter.

My Friend i will give you your own Advice , dont claim to know things you dont know , as you dont know the reality , Have you ever been there , to FATA , WAziristan North or South ?? No you have not . if you have then let me know .

Pasting some link of a website who has no link to Taliban , or has nothing to do with them literally & telling em i am wrong , please Open you eyes , The Reality is not what it seems , The picture is not black & White it is colored , with every thing clear , you only need eyes to see that .

OK Fine my statements are not facts ( as you ignorantly Believe) , however i have these questions , Answer them I Dare you , or any US supporter in this forum ,

1. Why TTP never attacks Americans ?
2. Why Afg Taliban never Attack Pakistan ?
3. Why USA refuses to Block the border from there side when we ask them .
4. Why Militants Attack from Afg at Pakistan border posts , The Fight continue for hours & then they return To Afg , Why they are not engaged at the other side ?

So now i will say to you the same thing i said to VCheng , Either prove me Wrong or dont Question me .

 

[saiyan0321]

looks like its us telling telling the us to do morePP

anyway seriously these guys need to be pushed back to their hell hole and if usa is so into killing them then why not support pakistan troops from the other end we drive these guys out toward your check post where you shoot them fine by us we dont care. but it seems all us troops are doing over there is either getting killed by taliban or killing pakistan troops like sallala check post. why dont you guys for once kill these guys too huh?

And USA will not close Pak-Afghan border due to sensitivity of Afghans on this matter.

sensitivity we dont give a **** about it if locking that border saves even one life then i dont care how uncomfortable these afghans become us should see things from our view we are getting killed bcz we cant chase them into afghansitan bcz usa will say sovereignty issues. well either give us free reign or have the border locked we did it with india and its alot better

 

[VCheng]

My Friend i will give you your own Advice , dont claim to know things you dont know , as you dont know the reality , Have you ever been there , to FATA , WAziristan North or South ?? No you have not . if you have then let me know .

Pasting some link of a website who has no link to Taliban , or has nothing to do with them literally & telling em i am wrong , please Open you eyes , The Reality is not what it seems , The picture is not black & White it is colored , with every thing clear , you only need eyes to see that .

OK Fine my statements are not facts ( as you ignorantly Believe) , however i have these questions , Answer them I Dare you , or any US supporter in this forum ,

1. Why TTP never attacks Americans ?
2. Why Afg Taliban never Attack Pakistan ?
3. Why USA refuses to Block the border from there side when we ask them .
4. Why Militants Attack from Afg at Pakistan border posts , The Fight continue for hours & then they return To Afg , Why they are not engaged at the other side ?

So now i will say to you the same thing i said to VCheng , Either prove me Wrong or dont Question me .

Well why would USA support Pakistan with over 20 billion dollars, and continuing, after 9/11, if the goal is to destroy it? Just turn off the economic life support and watch it self-destruct. Simple and effective.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Well why would USA support Pakistan with over 20 billion dollars, and continuing, after 9/11, if the goal is to destroy it? Just turn off the economic life support and watch it self-destruct. Simple and effective.

This aid has been a curse. Pakistan has ended up loosing more than $80 billion because of this WOT. Without the American aid, Pakistan has no reason to be part of this so called WOT. As far as i am concerned, Pakistan will emerge more prosperous without this aid. This aid is the fuel that the Taliban has used to light up the fire and recruit thousands of young new recruits. Without this aid, wait and watch Afghanistan self destruct in flames as all the resources of Taliban will solely be focused on ISAF. ISAF has been lucky so far that Pakistan has bore majority of the brunt of this WOT.