Arab Spring benefited only Israel - Lebanese Interior Minister

[Cheetah786]

Ok! I still don't understand why posted all of this when I know that their are certain efforts are happening to stop Arab spring? I don't know wats your point was behind all of this?



now you are pretending like your Zakir ,

change your flags and introduce yourself for who you really are don't think for a second you are fooling any one but i guess you cant achieve your objectives unless you hide.

But unfortunately for you A leopard cannot change its spots..

 

[chauvunist]

The govt of Syria is no more an externally funded militia than other tin pot dictators in ME. man you are a glutton for punishment. Do you not realise its over. Russia has moved its rook

Are you forgetting Iran here.....

 

[Cheetah786]

My Persian immigrant friend calling me a indian Hindu.

Des prate attempt of face saving not going to help.

 

[lem34]

We still have a queen up our sleeve.

Is that how you refer to your leaders as Queens. man do you not understand these tin pot dictators do not matter. The players who count are Russia America and China (maybe Israelis cos of AIPAC)

Now for a bit of fun as Mossa has brought up Queens lets have some queen:

Queen - I Want To Break Free (High Quality) - YouTube

Are these the queens up your sleeves?

 

[Mosamania]

Is that how you refer to your leaders as Queens. man do you not understand these tin pot dictators do not matter. The players who count are Russia America and China (maybe Israelis cos of AIPAC)

Now for a bit of fun as Mossa has brought up Queens lets have some queen:

Queen - I Want To Break Free (High Quality) - YouTube

Are these the queens up your sleeves?

Hell yeah Syrians want to break free. and there is nothing you can do about it. I am just glad the Syrian thing opened the eyes of all of our Arab brothers that were once fooled by Iran.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Des prate attempt of face saving not going to help.

Are you releasing a Fatwa against me?

 

[Mosamania]

Are you releasing a Fatwa against me?

Hahahahahahaha epic reply man.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Ahh so you want more Syrian killing. The FSA has been supported from outside Syria. Why should any govt allow a militia funded externally to hold it to ransom?

Al-assad also have been supported from outside, and trust me He's the real serial Killer. Al-assad started milatary operation against Syrians first and now he's paying for wat he started. He really deserves it.

Hahahahahahaha epic reply man.

Thats wat I like about persian originated Islam, They always release Fatwa in Hurry.

 

[lem34]

Al-assad also have been supported from outside, and trust me He's the real serial Killer. Al-assad started milatary operation against Syrains first and now he's paying for wat he started. He really deserves it.

say what you want now Assad and the other tin pots do not matter Russia has made its move. Russians would readily throw Assad under a bus if that would draw a line on Saudi excesses. But Saudis end game is not Syria it is Iran lol I am sad that any Syrians have to die but am happy America and her proxies views are dead. And I will have you know I predicted this some 6 months plus ago:

I am the oracle!


UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES

One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.

After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.

The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Waabbi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistani“friends” revelled in their success. However this “success” was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.

Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.

With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taleban/Al qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a frontline state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddam’s Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].

The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.

America’s disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.

If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard d’estaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.

There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16’s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].

Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America

Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].

The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.

The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conceience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a displined small number of American Jews (hense the demonising of Pakistan the only moslem country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.

Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.

China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.

I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.

One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.

American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.

With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Nato’s actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this

The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?

Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
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Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that

“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in” .

I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.

Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?



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JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...pak-russia-china-iran-cars.html#ixzz1y3j7hQ8q

That is what its about^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[oct605032048]

Egyptian generals asked their Congress to 'self-dismiss'. What's going on with their 'democracy'?

 

[lem34]

Why have you all gone quite??? You American lovers please respond.

 

[K-Xeroid]

say what you want now Assad and the other tin pots do not matter Russia has made its move. Russians would readily throw Assad under a bus if that would draw a line on Saudi excesses. But Saudis end game is not Syria it is Iran lol I am sad that any Syrians have to die but am happy America and her proxies views are dead. And I will have you know I predicted this some 6 months plus ago:

Damn! Wat a waste of lives ? So Russian has chosen another specific path. their enemy is western world and their pawns are Muslims life? Thats why I said, Now Arab nations are last hope.. They urgently need to rid off this whole regime and rebuild itself as fast as possible.

 

[lem34]

Damn! Wat a waste of lives ? So Russian has chosen another specific path. their enemy is western world and their pawns are Muslims life? Thats why I said, Now Arab nations are last hope.. They urgently need to rid off this whole regime and rebuild itself as fast as possible.

Yea well we have seen this template before from America where Muslims get killed and America sees if it is worth its while to invade.

The Marsh Arabs in Iraq were encouraged to rebel against Sadam by west after the first Gulf war and then were not supported. In Libya they encouraged people to go on the streets and they intervened. In both cases Muslims died. In Libya where America helped people Muslims are being killed to this day.

Simple we do not want American "help" for human rights and democracy. The people in the respective countries will decide when they are ready to do what they want

 

[livingdead]

Arab spring will help arabs and rest of us in long run same way the french revolution helped french (and the world).
In the meantime, arabs will die, sad but true.

 

[lem34]

My position has always been consistent I have stated in march this year:



Aeronaut mate I normally have a lot of time for your posts and often find myself in agreement with you. But forgive me on this occasion I must register my objection to your suggestion in the strongest terms possible.

I agree with Asim's sentiment we must observe strict neutrality in the matter of Syria and for that matter and not take sides.

I have heard the argument about human rights and killings going on in Syria but quite frankly it is very difficult in the fog of civil war or any war to actually get to the truth of the matter.

Let me tell you why I would be more than reluctant to support your suggestion.

If it is a true revolution and even a significant minority wish to come out on the streets a country is ungovernable. Lets take the example of Pakistan. Our population is reputed to be 180 million people. If just 20% of the people decide that they want to come out on the streets that would be be 36 million. We have one of the largest standing armies in the world, we have our blessed ISI we have nukes. Even with these forces and nukes what could our army do??? Use nukes on our own people?? That would be the end. You will note it does not even require a majority to come on the streets. In practical terms the overwhelming number of people want to have security, a roof on their head and food on the table and could not give a monkey's who runs the country.

Now lets take the example of Libya-The rebels or whatever you want to call them could barely get out of Benghazi even though they were being funded and armed by third parties from outside the country. I am off the firm opinion in hindsight that Gaddaffi was less than wise because I think it is likely he would have done relatively well in any election and he should have attempted to legitamise his rule.

Had it not been for Nato's role in my opinion it is doubtful that the rebels could have succeeded.

Now lets look at UK and US in recent months we have had riots and civil disobedience. These disturbances have been dismissed as the actions of criminals and undesirables. If a foreign power was to lets say start supplying weapons and moral support these so called criminals and undesirables what could or would happen??

One mans rebel is another man's criminal and undesirable.

Who decides what the majority in a country wants in Syria?? Who decides that Assad is a dictator and must be removed whilst at the same time ignoring what is happening in Bahrain?? Who decides when to support dissident voices in a country. I measn every country has voices that don't agree with their government.

I could go on but you might get bored but you get the picture I hope.

The best we can do is pray for and hope is that the Syrian people themselves decide with as little bloodshed as possible a conclusion to the unrest.

Under these circumstances PDF must not take sides in Syria

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/sugges...-drafting-pdf-policy-syria.html#ixzz1y3oPiWUJ


But no Americans and their tin proxies had to funnel arms into Syria. They are the ones to now blame if there is any killing of Syrians