Any questions Regarding India

[Joe Shearer]

An interesting tweet from Sagarrika Ghosh

"India's politicians (incl in Cong) are peddlars of poverty. No neta has guts to say we want India to become rich, becoming rich is a right"

Your views Indians?

So true!

So, so true!

O, how nice it would be to have a Deng XiaoPing of our own! We had one, who did not go all the way, and who was unable to leave a chain of succession - Narasimha Rao. The rest (after him) were crap, IMO.

 

[ice_man]

Again you are trying to push your assumptions on to me so let's play it -

your whole premise of the discussion is..
1. mughals did not convert Hindus.
2. mughals brought in great art and culture into India and the British invaded India to take over their arts and culture.
3. Islam majorly came into India through sufism and not through force or greed.
4. Tipu sultan did not engage in conversion of Hindus or killing them.
5. Tipu did not take land or riches from Hindus and give them to Muslims.
6. According to you we adore mughal arts and culture.

Am I right or you want to add any more to it?

yup more or less but point 6 i guess has been discussed with banglore and the Consensus is that evn though many hindu indians might not like the moghuls or their culture but the foreigners specially western love the moghuls & their history,arts & monuments hence it is a good way to promote it as tourism.

aalso point 3 ofcourse not! islam came with the edge of the sword hence the wars no raja just submitted and let moghuls rule. HOWEVER, once it arrived it became peaceful and people converted because of the simplicity and modesty and equality of the faith.

 

[Joe Shearer]

yup more or less but point 6 i guess has been discussed with banglore and the Consensus is that evn though many hindu indians might not like the moghuls or their culture but the foreigners specially western love the moghuls & their history,arts & monuments hence it is a good way to promote it as tourism.

aalso point 3 ofcourse not! islam came with the edge of the sword hence the wars no raja just submitted and let moghuls rule. HOWEVER, once it arrived it became peaceful and people converted because of the simplicity and modesty and equality of the faith.

Are others allowed to butt in?

 

[illusion8]

Are others allowed to butt in?

I say yes, how about you ice man? I would like harpoon and bang lore in as well.

yup more or less but point 6 i guess has been discussed with banglore and the Consensus is that evn though many hindu indians might not like the moghuls or their culture but the foreigners specially western love the moghuls & their history,arts & monuments hence it is a good way to promote it as tourism.

aalso point 3 ofcourse not! islam came with the edge of the sword hence the wars no raja just submitted and let moghuls rule. HOWEVER, once it arrived it became peaceful and people converted because of the simplicity and modesty and equality of the faith.

OK, that's fair as well, so we are left with 1, 2, 4 and 5.

 

[ice_man]

Are others allowed to butt in?

lol ofcourse Joe you are always welcome mate. by the way good post regarding the hindu & budhist belief. really well phrased.

 

[Joe Shearer]

lol ofcourse Joe you are always welcome mate. by the way good post regarding the hindu & budhist belief. really well phrased.

Thanks, folks, really appreciate that. Just three points:

1. Sometimes people just clam up on me, perhaps because my posts tend to be long. That's frustrating as he'll. I'll keep things short, but hope to hear your views- good, bad or ugly!
2. Love to have others on board as well. Hope Bang Galore buys in.
3. Personal to ice_man: it worries me when people don't convey the right stuff, and others walk away with a distorted impression. I'm glad you got something out of that post. There's tons to be said, but this is not the forum, and it's illegal too.

 

[harpoon]

So true!

So, so true!

O, how nice it would be to have a Deng XiaoPing of our own! We had one, who did not go all the way, and who was unable to leave a chain of succession - Narasimha Rao. The rest (after him) were crap, IMO.

Indians still cannot let go of our socialistic path where making money and opulence was considered a sin..May be thats the reason why BJP's Shining India campaign failed

 

[Joe Shearer]

Indians still cannot let go of our socialistic path where making money and opulence was considered a sin..May be thats the reason why BJP's Shining India campaign failed

I think that was different. It was because of the obvious exaggeration. Everyone could see through it. Nobody likes feeling ridiculous.

And, btw, people are richer today. Who's buying Maseratis? It's just that for some of us there isn't enough redistributive equity.

 

[Ticker]

How has post 9/11 environment impacted Islamophobia in India.

 

[Paan Singh]

How has post 9/11 environment impacted Islamophobia in India.

Few months back,Foreign directors came in chandigarh for shooting on osama movie coz pakistan denied them for lahore as shooting place.

muslims here protested against movie shooting coz it demonized their image more rest u can understand.

This is how they designed the bus while copying the designed buses in pakistan

 

[Ticker]

Few months back,Foreign directors came in chandigarh for shooting on osama movie coz pakistan denied them for lahore as shooting place.

muslims here protested against movie shooting coz it demonized their image more rest u can understand.

This is how they designed the bus while copying the designed buses in pakistan

Sorry, but a very bad copy, if at all.

Infact, I have never seen this type of bus in Pakistan. I don't know if other Pakistanis have.

 

[Paan Singh]

Sorry, but a very bad copy.

They tried their best and who make the new bus ?

 

[INDIC]

pakistan support of portugese please provide an authentic source ofcourse NON INDIAN to bakc up your claim!

secondly secular country like turkey is SECULAR not a muslim country! you should know this shouldn't you?

kalat acceded to pakistan just like junagadh acceded to india! i don't know what you are trying to prove here? kalat is a part of pakistan just like junagadh or hyderabad is part of india simple.

Please read this.

1961 Indian Annexation of Goa - Timeline

The second to leave was the TAIP DC-4 Skymaster, piloted by TAIP Director Major Solano de Almeida, both aircraft used the cover of night and a very low altitudes to break through Indian aerial patrols and escape to Karachi, Pakistan.

With all information pointing to total occupation of all Portuguese enclaves in India, Lt. Brito attempted to save his crew and boat by escaping to Karachi in Pakistan. The boat traversed , escaping detection by Indian forces to arrive at Karachi at 2000 hours on 20 December.

 

[Ticker]

What is the opinion of Indian posters here, as to why the history is looked at and understood differently in India and Pakistan.

 

[nForce]

An interesting tweet from Sagarrika Ghosh

"India's politicians (incl in Cong) are peddlars of poverty. No neta has guts to say we want India to become rich, becoming rich is a right"

Your views Indians?

A very nice question..I will make an attempt to answer this..

India is a very large country with a very complex history comprising of many invaders and many dynasties.Each and everyone who has come to power in India has tried to accumulate as much wealth as possible from the land.There may be variations upto certain degree,but overall that is the picture,be it the muslim invaders,the Mughals,the British boiling down to more grass-root levels of Zamindars.

So there has been this class difference that has become more and more evident over the years.Those who are rich,those who are not so rich and the poor.When Congress rises and gradually comes to power the then leadership realises,they cannot gain peoples' support without encompassing the majority of the Indians,a huge population with most of them being poor.Since then,the outlook has been like that only,that the party is sympathetic towards the poor,the landless,the oppressed,the Dalit etc.With each and every leader trying out-do each other in showing their love & affection towards this particular class,being rich,or being somehow related to them gradually becomes a taboo.

Also one needs to consider from political point of view that if majority are poor then the vote bank lies with them.So a leader championing their cause is more likely to get elected.
This ideology was given much of a boost during the 'Licence Raj' regime,when the coutry's policies were more in the line of socialism.The communists parties,the Naxal movements back in the 1960s-70s also had some role to play.
Land reforms and globalization of economy have reduced these issues to a great extent,but the hangover still persists.