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Anti-submarine copters inducted in Pak Navy

@ Mastan Khan

sir forget growler he likes to go on and on in circles...... but yes you are right PAF made huge mistakes and now they are crying to get sympathy.... but the problem is sir the PAF and PN were always thought of second line defense and the army got the major share of funds!!!

our mentality has always been that the defense of the country lies in the hands of army....and the airforce & PN are just tools to back the army.....

the quaids' words about a strong airforce have been lost from day 1! we will be lucky if we even now get our hands on the J-10s and i personally feel that when airforce comes out with its defense procurement plan the governments jaw drops at such high priced items....but unfortunately state security comes at high cost!! that's just the way it is!
 
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As a by-line on ASW


NB: even the newest missile, the Vertical Launch Anti-submarine Rocket Extended Range (VLA-ER), which will provide four to five times more range than VLA by adding a wing glide kit to the existing system, is significantly outranged by a ship's ASW helicopter when it comes to delivering payload (lightweight ASW torpedo) on target. This is particularly important if the opposing sub has sub-launched AShMs.

Asroc (RUR-5/5A): 9.1 km plus range of the payload itself e.g. Mark 44 (5,490m) or 46 torpedo 7,300 m) > 14.6-16.4km total
VLA (RUM-139A/B): 13.7 km, plus range of the payload itself e.g. Mark 46 Mod 5A or Mark 50 torpedo (range of both is classified, but likely to be at least the range of early Mk46 i.e. 7,300 m) > 21-28km, considering quotes for VLA
VLA-ER: max 105-140 km total, considering the above

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WMUS_ASROC.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.htm
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-139.html
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/r-5.html
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/VerticalLaunchAntiSubmarineRocket/index.html
 
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these Z9C are a nice addition to anti-submarine warfare machinery!
i hope we get them not only for the F22p but also to replace the old fleet. there might be one problem that these british or the upcomming US (US retired ships) may not support the chines chopper!

regards!
 
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there might be one problem that these british or the upcomming US (US retired ships) may not support the chines chopper!


I don't see why not:
- what do you need on board to support these Z-9 choppers that is different from what is needed to support e.g. SeaLynx or Seasprite or SeaHawk
- Z-9 is essentially a European design and the original Dauphin at least is NATO compatible (what would the chinese have changed to make it 'incompatible'?)
 
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Not sure it have been post before, translated from Chinese;

China sold Pakistan 10 anti-submarine helicopter or install Dragon anti-ship missile

?????? 2009-10-09 09:55:30

China sold to Pakistan straight-9EC shipborne helicopters.

Domestic TL-10 and TL-6B airborne anti-ship missiles.
Assessment agency in Beijing October 9 / Xinhua News October 9 LONDON: According to the U.S. strategy of World Wide Web 5, reported that Pakistan received six from China, used to perform anti-submarine warfare missions Z-9 helicopters. The Pakistan side is equipped to receive radar, sonar and light cast hanging-type torpedo Z-9EC helicopters. Reported that the helicopter may also be equipped with new air-launched anti-ship missile Dragons -10 - China last year for its Z-9 helicopters equipped with ship-based missiles that subsection.

Reported that the missile weighed 240 pounds Tianlong -10, warhead weighs 65 pounds, with a range of about 18 km, may be jointly developed by China and Iran, the Iran called it, "Kisa" (Kosar) missiles. Which missiles have been fitted out for many years, it is believed the latest Dragon-10C missiles are equipped with airborne radar based on the "launch-and-forget" guidance system, capable of destroying less than 500 tons of small ships, but larger ships are unable to causing too much damage.

Report describes that the Chinese armed helicopters straight -9 obtain a license from France introduced AS 365N "Dolphin" (Dauphin) helicopters imitation models. China has built more than 200 planes of this type helicopters, most of whom are equipped with such as the 23 mm gun, torpedoes, anti-tank missiles and air to air missile and other weapons systems.
:pakistan::china:
 
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I don't see why not:
- what do you need on board to support these Z-9 choppers that is different from what is needed to support e.g. SeaLynx or Seasprite or SeaHawk
- Z-9 is essentially a European design and the original Dauphin at least is NATO compatible (what would the chinese have changed to make it 'incompatible'?)

Z-9 ASW chopper is based on 1980s dauphines. Today's standard of NATO dauphins are very different from Z-9 (speaking of logic).
Super lynx would fit PN role much better. at least it is capable of basic MPA duties.

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Z-9 ASW chopper is based on 1980s dauphines. Today's standard of NATO dauphins are very different from Z-9 (speaking of logic).
Would you enlighten us all by telling in what way are they different?

Lets try stick with the question: can a Z-9 operate from e.g. an ex-US OHP or an ex-UK Type 21, and if not why not?

Clearly, a Dauphin produced in 1980-something and one produced today would be fitted with different equipments. But what does that have to do with being able to land on a frigate? Or being rearmed and refueled on board a frigate? Or being housed and maintained in a ship hangar?

Likewise, there are bound to be differences between a French built Dauphin and a Chinese built Z-9. But the questions is what these differences are and whether they are relevant in the context of being able to operate from a frigate. If the helicopter functions as a self-contained ASW-system, that detects and engaged targets autonomously, then there is little reason for there to be any incompatibility with the shipplatform. And to the extent there is, it will likely be one of communications/datatransmission gear, which is something that can be fixed relatively easily.

Super lynx would fit PN role much better. at least it is capable of basic MPA duties.
And Super Lynx would be compatible with F22P? You see, it works both ways: if Z-9 is somehow incompatible with OHP, then why is SuperLynx expected to be compatible with F22p...?

As for Super Lynx being 'capable of basic MPA duties', I don't know what you think those are, but there is nothing a SuperLynx can do that a Z-9C can't do. ... :

The naval Super Lynx is a multi-role helicopter for anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, search and rescue and utility operations.It is equipped with:
-a 360° scan radar in the chin fairing under the nose
-a Thermal Imager or FLIR on a gimballed mount in the nose
-an active dipping sonar AN/AQS-13
Weapons include:
up to 4 Sea SKua short range (25km) all-weather anti-ship missile
a range of depth charges, among which Mark 11 depth charges, and light weight ASW torpedoes, such as the Mark 44, Mark 46, the A244S and the Stingray torpedoes.
Optional equipment:
-a magnetic anomaly detector
-a range of surveillance equipment e.g. reconnaissance/camera pods
-a Defensive Aids Subsystem (DAS), comprising missile warner, -infrared jammer and flare dispenser
Paraphrased from: Super Lynx Combat Helicopter - Naval Technology

The naval variant of the Eurocopter AS 565MB Panther can be configured for search and rescue, patrol and surveillance, anti-submarine and anti-surface-ship roles.
The anti-submarine warfare version of the helicopter is armed with two torpedoes.
For the anti-surface ship mission the helicopter is armed with four AS 15 TT radar guided anti-ship missiles and has a chin-mounted Agrion 15 radar. A 20mm cannon is installed for self defence.
AS565MB Panther Naval Helicopter - Naval Technology

The Z-9C was designed for both ASW role, equipped with dipping sonar, sonar buoys, magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), and two external weapon pylons to carry 1~2 ET52 (A244/S copy) anti-submarine torpedoes. A second mission for the Z-9C is target detection and data relay. The helicopter could use its KLC-1 surface search radar to locate enemy surface vessels at ‘over-the-horizon’ distance, and transmit the target information to the YJ-83 anti-ship missile during its midcourse flight using the datalink antenna installed on the helicopter’s cockpit roof. Some Z-9Cs are configured for SAR missions with a hoist, FLIR unit, and searchlight. A recent Internet-source photo revealed that the HAMC is currently developing an improved variant of the Z-9C designated Z-9D. The helicopter can carry two TL-10 anti-ship missiles developed by Hongdu Aviation Industry Group.
The Z-9C carries an indigenous KLC-1 surface search radar developed by the Nanjing Electronic Research institute (14 Institute). The X-band radar was designed to search and track surface vessels, with a maximum detection range of 92km against fishing boat-sized targets and 118km against small- to medium-sized surface vessel.
ASW equipments onboard the Z-9C include a Type 605 (Chinese copy of the U.S. AN/AQS-13) dipping sonar, a box of 12 passive sonobuoys, four active sonobuoys, a temperature buoy and a maritime environment buoy. The helicopter is equipped with a radio receiver, allowing it to receive the signal of sonobuoys at 10km range when flying at 120km/h speed.
For search and rescue missions, the helicopter can be fitted with a 250kg-capacity hoist with winch and scoop fitted externally above the starboard side cabin door, an FLIR unit and a searchlight.
Zhi-9C/D Naval Helicopter - SinoDefence.com
See also: http://cnair.top81.cn/z-8_z-9_z-11.htm

It carries basically the same dipping sonar as SuperLynx!!

AS 565MB Panther Naval Helicopter
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Z-9C PLAN


Z-9EC PN


Z-9D PLAN
 
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here are some vedios of the induction cermony of Z9C helicopters. i am sorry that i have not been able to check whether they have already been posted or not but sure they are worth watching. a really nice addition to the PN fleet..
hope you guys like it,

dates back to 30 Sep, 2009

regards!
 
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Bezerk, how come they inducted just 2 Z-9EC helicopters? According to fatman17, we should already have 3 in Pakistan.
 
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nice review sir Berzek and Arsalan. thanks for guaidance. one thing i would like to know will be wehether they will be compatiable with warships of US and european origin as we are operating some british vessels and are also planning to get a few frim US aswell so it will be intresting to know if these Z9 can be operated from the US OHP frigates.
thanks!
 
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Why are you guys not including this one. :) Just kidding. Good news.
 
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well what type of weapons it carries other than torpedos and what radars and computers it has to detect subs beneath the sea
 
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