Anti-India Protests Erupt in Kashmir Amid Deadly Fighting

[Joe Shearer]

And I am the fool, right?
Can you get a residency status without that? How about voting rights?
Yet, your initial answer was "YES".

Yes, indeed you are a fool.

1. No residency status is required; Kashmir is part of the Indian Union, and anyone can reside there.
2. You are entitled to vote.

Next?

Instead of trying to fool others, can you stop fooling yourself?

Of course! I do it all the time. Every time I commit the folly of wasting time on you, I have to get a grip on myself and pull back!

Looks like you didn't understand it. After all you are not an "actual engineer", are you?

Do you seriously expect me to waste time talking to you about it? After having taught people what JCL is?

Three cheers for the serpant..
Now you are calling farmers as Land-owning exploiters. Some one forgot to tell my granddad and my dad who is still using OX to till our 5 acre land in one of the most draught prone places in AP....waiting for rain while accumulating debt. Oh yeah, we unfortunately belong to a caste where if we refuse to convert, no one cares for us.

Ooh, it stung somebody.

Now the double-faced Douches take pot-shots at farmers because he cannot explain his position of why the laws for non-kashmiris vs kashmiris are skewed towards one side.

Who told you that? I explained it right at the outset, but you were busy looking up your dictionary, so you missed it.

Btw, we all know the difference between the other states you mentioned to Kashmir - even you know it.
Why pretend so far into the discussion?

Identical laws, identical conditions. One of them even enjoys protection through central legislation that mirrors that protecting J&K.

The trouble is that you have an opinion about everything but no knowledge to back up even a single statement. Not even a single one. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Tom M]

Kashmiris dont want to be Indians simple.

Well they have to live with it, sorry. There is no other way out.

I support that South Tibet should be free from India. Kashmir should be free from India. And India itself should be revert to the entities before British arrival.

And we would love to support China to be reverted back to 1911 revolution. The Japs should rule Munchurian, even Beijing, just like they ruled since 1937.

 

[saiyan0321]

Being a land-owning exploiter, naturally you have a laser-focus on land and land-ownership. I wonder how you will explain that exactly the same "basic and most profound of the basic rights" (your definition) are restricted in exactly the same way in Himachal Pradesh and in Uttaranchal, not to mention Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland?

I apologize for interruption but I have a simple question.

I am well aware that article 370 plays no part in the property restriction in Jammu and Kashmir and its repeal is not a sane demand without consequences and previous treaties have this effect just like treaties with other states as you mentioned however I have a question.

In AJK there is land alienation act section 4 which specifically bars any non state subject from buying property or having a transfer in his favor and this is also true with our land alienation acts as well.

Does Jammu and Kashmir have any such law? In the union of India there are three lists. The union list, the state list and the concurrent list.

 

[艹艹艹]

The warriors took up arms and drove the India soldiers out of Kashmir.
Victory and freedom will eventually belong to you.
You are great heroes, and you will be remembered by history.
Fight to the end​

 

[war&peace]

And we would love to support China to be reverted back to 1911 revolution. Let the Japs rule Munchurian, even Beijing, just like they ruled since 1937.

Typical Gangadeshi get ahead of himself...

 

[Joe Shearer]

I apologize for interruption but I have a simple question.

I am well aware that article 370 plays no part in the property restriction in Jammu and Kashmir and its repeal is not a sane demand without consequences and previous treaties have this effect just like treaties with other states as you mentioned however I have a question.

Actually, it does, in a restricted sense. We will return to this.

In AJK there is land alienation act section 4 which specifically bars any non state subject from buying property or having a transfer in his favor and this is also true with our land alienation acts as well.

Does Jammu and Kashmir have any such law? In the union of India there are three lists. The union list, the state list and the concurrent list.

This is precisely what is under discussion. It is the contention of the person questioning this that the inability to acquire land puts the individual under severe handicaps in seeking employment, specifically, state employment, in seeking education, and in enjoying unhindered residence or even in being entitled to vote.

All these are wrong. There is no disability of such a nature. On learning this, he has gone off in a sulk, and is not speaking to anyone. We are to thank our good fortune.

I do not know what was the root of the Land Alienation Act Sec. 4; in J&K State, it is a section of the Ranbir Code, that applied throughout the princely state, that barred land alienation other than to permanent residents of the state. Just like your AJK law. It was very recently further refined in a rather regressive manner, to the effect that a male permanent resident could carry along his right to property and it would be vested in his heirs, but a female, on her marriage to someone NOT a permanent resident, would lose her rights!

These two, the original section of the Ranbir Code and its subsequent refinement, are both in the state list, and it is inviolate; no central legislation can affect it without the explicit legislated consent of the state legislature.

The interesting thing is that the states of Himachal Pradesh, of Uttarakhand, of Sikkim, of Arunachal Pradesh (the former North East Frontier Agency disputed with China) and of Nagaland have identical legislation, and an identical disenablement of those not permanent residents from buying or leasing land. It does not seem odd to these bigots and hyper-patriots that what is acceptable to them as having been enacted more than once by the Indian central legislature is unacceptable to them when it is the state legislature, duly empowered constitutionally to do so, that enacts such legislation.

No accounting for tastes.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Yup, no one barge into our lands, displaces the original inhabitants and then claim territory. It's passive invasion.

I think similar approach should be followed in ulghar province, Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Xi jinping greater than Jesus Christ? Lol, you are worse than sheep in the heard.

But you are an illegal independence. You should return to the colonies. Only in this way, can India have more food than North Korea.

 

[Tom M]

Kashmir will be liberated

Never is the lifetime of any of the PDFians for sure.

 

[boxer_B]

But you are an illegal independence. You should return to the colonies. Only in this way, can India have more food than North Korea.

Right

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Right

Good., they are doing, but they need to work harder to learn Indians. So India needs to be a colony.

Well they have to live with it, sorry. There is no other way out.



And we would love to support China to be reverted back to 1911 revolution. The Japs should rule Munchurian, even Beijing, just like they ruled since 1937.

But how do you do it?

Rely on India 10 days weapons inventory?
Rely on the India rubbish air force and the army?

 

[Jackdaws]

The first question that pops to mind is - "Freedom to do what?"

Which right is denied to the Kashmiris? They have Right to free speech, religion, expression etc.

It must be coincidence of galactic proportions that violent uprising in the Valley coincided with the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and left the mujahideen jobless. They probably though - "We made a Superpower withdraw - India will be cakewalk." Some cake, some walk

Russian soldiers saw themselves as being in a foreign land. Indians did not and do not. The militants drove the Kashmiri Pandits out of the Valley almost overnight and their own neighbors actually helped the militants pinpoint the locations of the Pandits.

When there was no violence, India even offered land to the Pakistanis to settle the dispute - I think this was during Swaran Singh - Bhutto talks. Bhutto was adamant that he even wanted Ladakh - a predominant Buddhist area.

India was down in the dumps and smarting under the 1962 humiliation. Pakistan should have taken that deal and walked away happy.

But now it is too late. Try as it might, Pakistan isn't getting anything. The Kashmiris who are dissatisfied will eventually have to work within the system of India. Whether they throw stones or they throw bombs - neither Pakistan nor their sympathizers here are going to be able to change the status quo.

 

[hussain0216]

These guys will shout slogans for couple of days and then will get back to their normal life. Even Pakistan has almost stopped supporting them, they are just paying lip service to Kashmiris now. It will be better for the future of Kashmiri kids if they accept their fate without any further bloodshed.

on the contrary Kashmiris have not been this anti indian since the 1990s

The first question that pops to mind is - "Freedom to do what?"

Which right is denied to the Kashmiris? They have Right to free speech, religion, expression etc.

It must be coincidence of galactic proportions that violent uprising in the Valley coincided with the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and left the mujahideen jobless. They probably though - "We made a Superpower withdraw - India will be cakewalk." Some cake, some walk

Russian soldiers saw themselves as being in a foreign land. Indians did not and do not. The militants drove the Kashmiri Pandits out of the Valley almost overnight and their own neighbors actually helped the militants pinpoint the locations of the Pandits.

When there was no violence, India even offered land to the Pakistanis to settle the dispute - I think this was during Swaran Singh - Bhutto talks. Bhutto was adamant that he even wanted Ladakh - a predominant Buddhist area.

India was down in the dumps and smarting under the 1962 humiliation. Pakistan should have taken that deal and walked away happy.

But now it is too late. Try as it might, Pakistan isn't getting anything. The Kashmiris who are dissatisfied will eventually have to work within the system of India. Whether they throw stones or they throw bombs - neither Pakistan nor their sympathizers here are going to be able to change the status quo.

They want to separate from india completely as india turns more hindutva they see the risk and as a muslim majority state want nothing to do with a hindu india

 

[Jackdaws]

on the contrary Kashmiris have not been this anti indian since the 1990s


They want to separate from india completely as india turns more hindutva they see the risk and as a muslim majority state want nothing to do with a hindu india

Nagaland, Meghalaya, Mizoram are anywhere between 80-90% non-Hindu. You don't see them clamoring to be part of Vatican City. And this Hindutva upswing is only 3-4 years old.

 

[hussain0216]

Nagaland, Meghalaya, Mizoram are anywhere between 80-90% non-Hindu. You don't see them clamoring to be part of Vatican City. And this Hindutva upswing is only 3-4 years old.

The hindutva rise is dangerous enough but its more to do with Kashmir being a religious, cultural and linguistic extension of Northern Pakistan that feels it has been cut off and subjugated by a foreign hindu india

The fact that there is this hindutvaisation of india and a very real threat to muslims just emphasises the need to seperate


A right wing forceful india is not a threat to Pakistan it is a secular liberal republic that is

 

[darksider]

No.

No part of the Indian Union can ask for separation. Killing, raping and injuring them is not state policy; those are mistakes made by individuals and leaders at the ground level, and those have to be corrected. They do not constitute grounds on which to coerce the state.

Joke of the century and biggest hypocrite of pdf.
I will keep this post of your for future reference.