Ancient Man and His First Civilizations.Proving Aryan Invasion Theory is a myth and severe lie

[bronxbull]

jyotiba phule has a time machine,i wish he/she lets other people have a ride in it too.

 

[Chola warrior]

End of the Day
No one can deny dravdian's great civilization starting from indus valley before Indo-europeans migrated.

Dravdians and Aryans shared culture, language, business etc., from ancient times and prospered together no matter what. So lets take this in a positive way.

 

[Hermione]

@Reashot Xigwin , just ask him what caste he belongs to. Watch the fun. 95% of these revisionists are Brahmins.

I am a dalit and I do not believe in anything you have put here. Your reliance on peer reviewed papers and people trained in humanities is touching, but the rest of India is waking up to the scam these are.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

i dont care what mr.shearer wants to believe in,but his stomach starts burning when someone debunks it.

His pet peeve is Anti Brahmanism, promoting AIT, declaring Buddhism was in response to "oppressive" Hindus a.k.a the Brahmins. A classic Humanities bot regurgitating what was fed to him as a kid. A lifetime of lies is hard to replace.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

Major ANI-ASI admixture in India took place ~4.2-1.9 thousand years ago (Moorjani et al. 2013)

In previous work it was determined that Indians trace their ancestry to two major groups, Ancestral North Indians (ANI) (= West Eurasians of some kind), and Ancestral South Indians (ASI) (= distant relatives of Andaman Islanders, existing today only in admixed form). The new paper demonstrates that admixture between these two groups took place ~4.200-1.900 thousand years ago.

Genetic Evidence for Recent Population Mixture in India | Harappa Ancestry Project

Remember ANI does not mean Aryans. Aryans were not the only ANI wave which came to South Asia in ancient times. Every South Asian have ANI-ASI admixture, apart from Andaman Islanders who were isolated for thousands of years till recently.

 

[bronxbull]

yeah,a bureaucratic bengali upper caste man is the worst guy in the world,his ancestors trampled upon the masses and he ll say the guilt is ours not his.

it says when u eat shit since childhood,it tastes like laddoo,case in point here.

End of the Day
No one can deny dravdian's great civilization starting from indus valley before Indo-europeans migrated.

Dravdians and Aryans shared culture, language, business etc., from ancient times and prospered together no matter what. So lets take this in a positive way.

dravidian is a geographical term,aryan is a personal term.

there is no fight as imagined.

people call us tambrahms so many things but we never let our masses starve for the british as the bengalis did,all those guys whose kids turned out to be marxists should be condemned,this is what happens when u hate ur own forefathers.

we dont share such emotions.

 

[Manvantaratruti]

Secondly, the foreign language didn't come in and wipe out any language. It only replaced it. Just as that earlier language replaced yet an older one. And why that should be impossible is of course beyond the scope of your brief from your friend with short breath.

......... just like that eh ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am a dalit and I do not believe in anything you have put here. Your reliance on peer reviewed papers and people trained in humanities is touching, but the rest of India is waking up to the scam these are.

The rest of India meaning who?
It is the Brahmins and their attempts at restoring their cultural and social hegemony who are trying to win back their intellectual monopolies. It is the academic community, to some extent, that is resisting them on one hand; the legal machinery, trying to retain the constitution and the rule of law, is resisting them on the other hand. If you are genuinely a dalit, there is nothing you have in common with these people.
That is a big 'if'.

His pet peeve is Anti Brahmanism, promoting AIT, declaring Buddhism was in response to "oppressive" Hindus a.k.a the Brahmins. A classic Humanities bot regurgitating what was fed to him as a kid. A lifetime of lies is hard to replace.

And the alternative is...?

 

[Hermione]

i dont care what mr.shearer wants to believe in,but his stomach starts burning when someone debunks it.

I think it is his inability to come to terms with the knowledge that he based his hatred of Brahmins on false hypothesis all his life.

 

[SrNair]

I am precisely calling engineers and doctors and dentists with no education in the humanities unequipped to deal with history or its branches. Your hobby does not entitle you to misunderstand popular garbage brought out by propagandists and disseminate that same garbage. Just like engineering, history is a subject that is researched and taught: jokers who claim to run motor cars on water have little respect among engineers, jokers who claim to be rescuing history from foreigners have just as little respect among historians.

The numbers of these people like you who believe in these stupid theories, stupidly, may be large. There was an explosion in Indian education; a very large number of capitation fee colleges came up in the 80s and 90s and their only focus was in churning out narrow specialists, trained but not educated, able to do a reasonable job in technology after a certain amount of re-training. It was these people, earning a lot of money, with no knowledge or prior education in the humanities, who fall prey to the kind of rubbish going around and come out with these wild-eyed ideas.

The Internet is NOT a source for sound information; it is a source for investigating possible sources of sound information. All those sources must then be checked and verified and tested in order to be found fit for use. And only experts can do that. You cannot judge by reading stuff from the Internet what is good pre-history and what is not with your background; only an expert can do that. You are not an expert.

The biggest evidence that you should not be in this discussion is that you think I believe in the Max Mueller hypothesis. That was exploded in the early twentieth century, in some writings, in the nineteenth century itself, by professional historians themselves. NOBODY believed in Max Mueller's original hypothesis in serious circles in recent decades.

I CERTAINLY don't think that Max Mueller is right; he had an interesting point of view, it was proved wrong, and that is that.




On matters where I am an expert, I am correct all the time, compared to you.



Yes, and in Tamil Nadu too. This is not prevalent in the huge majority of cases. It is still Brahminical prejudice that holds sway. About becoming a Brahmin due to actions, words and noble behaviour, why don't you go and ask a Namboodiri who is a practising Hindu if you are his equal?



Nobody denies this. Nobody denied this. What are you arguing for, and wasting everybody's time?

I got an engineering education on merit base through entrance exam.Not through capitation fee.
If you denying Max Muller then what is your argument point?He propogates AIT theory.And we oppose that theory here.

Major ANI-ASI admixture in India took place ~4.2-1.9 thousand years ago (Moorjani et al. 2013)

In previous work it was determined that Indians trace their ancestry to two major groups, Ancestral North Indians (ANI) (= West Eurasians of some kind), and Ancestral South Indians (ASI) (= distant relatives of Andaman Islanders, existing today only in admixed form). The new paper demonstrates that admixture between these two groups took place ~4.200-1.900 thousand years ago.

Genetic Evidence for Recent Population Mixture in India | Harappa Ancestry Project

Remember ANI does not mean Aryans. Aryans were not the only ANI wave which came to South Asia in ancient times. Every South Asian have ANI-ASI admixture, apart from Andaman Islanders who were isolated for thousands of years till recently.

@shan .I have a doubt.In kerala there is another caste like Nair ,Ezhava etc.But we cant about it in this diagram.Can you reply?

 

[Joe Shearer]

yeah,a bureaucratic bengali upper caste man is the worst guy in the world,his ancestors trampled upon the masses and he ll say the guilt is ours not his.

it says when u eat shit since childhood,it tastes like laddoo,case in point here.



dravidian is a geographical term,aryan is a personal term.

there is no fight as imagined.

people call us tambrahms so many things but we never let our masses starve for the british as the bengalis did,all those guys whose kids turned out to be marxists should be condemned,this is what happens when u hate ur own forefathers.

we dont share such emotions.

Both are linguistic groups; there is nothing geographical or personal about them any longer, particularly not about 'Aryan'. These are just lame attempts at defending the indefensible. The extent to which Tambrahm oppression went is shocking; reading those accounts even today is sickening. No wonder the other Tamils ran them out as soon as democracy took a grip on the state. And good riddance. It is unlikely that they will get in playing the OOI card; to the dalit in the street, it does not matter.

That is the harsh reality that these perpetual emigres have to face.

......... just like that eh ?

Enough examples throughout the world abound. Just look around, unless you want to be spoonfed. You might start with Herodotus and the Pelasgians.

I got an engineering education on merit base through entrance exam.Not through capitation fee.
If you denying Max Muller then what is your argument point?He propogates AIT theory.And we oppose that theory here.

The point of the argument is clear from my arguments, the point of yours is obscured under some rubbish about albinos that made you a laughing stock. Trying to salvage the single point of the obsolete theories of the early Europeans really does not resuscitate your attempts, just makes it clear that these are dodges and manoeuvres.

@shan .I have a doubt.In kerala there is another caste like Nair ,Ezhava etc.But we cant about it in this diagram.Can you reply?

The study did not set out to map each and every caste, only to map the general character of the two original groups, for which some identification of their linguistic and social classification was needed.

But no doubt @shan will have a more complete answer.

 

[Hermione]

The rest of India meaning who?
It is the Brahmins and their attempts at restoring their cultural and social hegemony who are trying to win back their intellectual monopolies. It is the academic community, to some extent, that is resisting them on one hand; the legal machinery, trying to retain the constitution and the rule of law, is resisting them on the other hand. If you are genuinely a dalit, there is nothing you have in common with these people.
That is a big 'if'.

The rest of India meaning everyone in India who is not sold on socialism and class/caste warfare that are your pet theories. I see no evidence of any attempt at restoring cultural or social hegemony from the Brahmins. If anything it is the Brahmins and upper castes who went rogue and became Communists and Marxists who held monopolies in academia in India until now. I see Hindutva advocates as belonging to all castes and from all walks of life.

I am very much a Dalit and I do not see myself as different from the Brahmins. It has never factored in any of my interpersonal relationships or life in anyway.

 

[SrNair]

Both are linguistic groups; there is nothing geographical or personal about them any longer, particularly not about 'Aryan'. These are just lame attempts at defending the indefensible. The extent to which Tambrahm oppression went is shocking; reading those accounts even today is sickening. No wonder the other Tamils ran them out as soon as democracy took a grip on the state. And good riddance. It is unlikely that they will get in playing the OOI card; to the dalit in the street, it does not matter.

That is the harsh reality that these perpetual emigres have to face.



Enough examples throughout the world abound. Just look around, unless you want to be spoonfed. You might start with Herodotus and the Pelasgians.



The point of the argument is clear from my arguments, the point of yours is obscured under some rubbish about albinos that made you a laughing stock. Trying to salvage the single point of the obsolete theories of the early Europeans really does not resuscitate your attempts, just makes it clear that these are dodges and manoeuvres.



The study did not set out to map each and every caste, only to map the general character of the two original groups, for which some identification of their linguistic and social classification was needed.

But no doubt @shan will have a more complete answer.

@Joe Shearer .I already told you , albinos is used to mock white people in that article.It used in a sarcastic manner.
But I gave you a link about a study.That is from Russia&India report..It is correct.
I know some parts in this article is wrong .But some others correct like that link.

 

[bronxbull]

Both are linguistic groups; there is nothing geographical or personal about them any longer, particularly not about 'Aryan'. These are just lame attempts at defending the indefensible. The extent to which Tambrahm oppression went is shocking; reading those accounts even today is sickening. No wonder the other Tamils ran them out as soon as democracy took a grip on the state. And good riddance. It is unlikely that they will get in playing the OOI card; to the dalit in the street, it does not matter.

That is the harsh reality that these perpetual emigres have to face.



Enough examples throughout the world abound. Just look around, unless you want to be spoonfed. You might start with Herodotus and the Pelasgians.



The point of the argument is clear from my arguments, the point of yours is obscured under some rubbish about albinos that made you a laughing stock. Trying to salvage the single point of the obsolete theories of the early Europeans really does not resuscitate your attempts, just makes it clear that these are dodges and manoeuvres.



The study did not set out to map each and every caste, only to map the general character of the two original groups, for which some identification of their linguistic and social classification was needed.

But no doubt @shan will have a more complete answer.

oh please mr.shearer,go talk to numbskulls.

u can come to my village and ask the dalits,who are better brahmins/OBCs?

we are not silly tams like those from the northern/westenr part.

so please and regarding political power,we still have it but not openly,

please go ask the dalits on TN,who actually oppress them and seriously,we dont hide behind communist masks to save ourselves,our honour does that.u wont get it as a confused pseudo.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

@shan .I have a doubt.In kerala there is another caste like Nair ,Ezhava etc.But we cant about it in this diagram.Can you reply?

There are hundred of castes/tribes in South Asia, for this study they chose 74.