What's new

An Indian perception about new arms for Pakistan Navy

HAIDER

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
May 21, 2006
Messages
33,771
Reaction score
14
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
After the Taliban Air Force, time to battle the Taliban Navy

March 2009



With the recent revelation that the US administration has instructed GE to defer plans to operationalise engines for an Indian Navy frigate programme, it is time to look at how it is proceeding with plans to arm the Pakistan Navy with equipment that can only be utilised against India, writes Rajiv Singh.

Members of the US Congress have been sniggering for years about the funds being allocated to arm the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with cutting-edge technology to fight what they refer to as the ''Taliban Air Force.'' Their sarcasm is aimed, in particular, at the number of contracts awarded to upgrade Lockheed Martin's **** fighter- the F-16, which over the past decade of the Bush administration, has been equipped with the best, and most lethal, in sensors, munitions and equipment.

Of course, it is yet to participate in a single tactical operation against the Taliban, or any other entity.

For long, these funds have been allocated to Pakistan under the guise of helping it fight the Global War on Terror (GWOT). At one point of time questions began to be asked of the Bush administration if the contracts, funds and upgrades of the **** F-16 were aimed only at shoring up Pakistani capabilities against India.

Now, with the great ''agent of change'' occupying the White House, and the majority Democrats in the Congress in love with everything he wants to do, the time has come for Indian parliamentarians, at least, to take cognizance of the way the Pakistan Navy (PN) intends to take on the ''Taliban Navy.''

Sometime in February this year, the Pakistan Navy was provided the clearance to acquire three types of anti-submarine warfare (ASW) sonobuoys - totaling 445 units - under the Foreign Military Sales programme. This piece of anti-submarine warfare equipment is of the same class as contracted for the US Navy.

Indeed, the contract signed with suppliers is a joint contract for the US and the Pakistan Navy.

The sale was cleared, presumably, even as the Obama administration was instructing General Electric not to operationalise two new LM 2500 gas turbines it has contracted to supply the Indian Navy for its state-of-the-art, indigenously designed, Project 17 stealth frigates.

The first of three frigates, INS Shivalik, is ready to commence sea trials but the programme will now have to go on hold – at least for a few months –with the Obama administration reviewing its military relations with a number of countries, including India.

Sonobuoys
What are sonobuoys? These are devices meant to detect, and identify, submarines as they move about stealthily in shallow or deep waters. Sonobuoys perform this task either in the 'passive' or 'active' mode. Other specialized ones measure temperature changes in the sea as a submarine passes by. This type is particularly useful in tracking nuclear powered submarines.

In the 'passive' mode the sonobuoy listens for sounds produced by propellers and machinery of a submarine, while in the 'active' mode it bounces a sonar ''ping'' off its body. Being buoys, they float in the water - at least some part of them does.

Apart from these basic versions, sonobuoys have also been designed to detect electric fields, magnetic anomalies, and bio-luminescence (light emitted by microscopic organisms disturbed by a passing submarine). Some also measure environmental parameters like water temperature versus depth, air temperature, barometric pressure, and wave height.

These are the specalised sonobuoys that are particularly useful in tracking nuclear-powered submarines, some of which India hopes to deploy in the near future –either leased Schucka/Akula class from Russia, or indigenously developed ones. The first of these will heading for the water soon for sea trials.

While passive sonobuoys use a hydrophone to listen for sound energy from a target, active sonobuoys use a transducer to send an acoustic signal and then listen for the return echo off an object.

Sonobuoys are generally dropped from aircraft or helicopters, which are equipped with electronic equipment to receive, and process, data sent by the sonobuoy. They can also be launched from ships.

A pattern of sonobuoys –passive, active and special - can be deployed to determine the exact location, and also, to actively track, and attack, a submerged target.

Threat from the Taliban Navy

What we need to look at is the threat perception of the Pakistan Navy, which, like the Pakistan Air Force, is now being supplied with the latest that the US can offer in the GWOT.

The PN likely faces naval threats from one or all of these sources:

* The Chinese Navy –Since the Chinese Navy is trying to make its presence felt in the Indian Ocean region, under the guise of fighting pirates in Somalia, it is only fitting that the Obama administration should arm the Pakistan Navy against any likely Chinese threat. It doesn't matter if the Chinese have also funded and built Pakistan's deep water port –Gwadar. It doesn't matter if China is Pakistan's strategic partner of long standing, and a country with which it shares perhaps a deeper strategic relationship than even with the United States.
* The US Navy – with the Bush, and lately, the Obama administration making it evident that they are quite pissed off with Islamabad because of its non-performance in the GWOT it is likely that at some point of time the Pakistan Navy may want to take on the US Navy. So, it needs to be armed for this eventuality.
* The Iranian Navy – The Iranians are a threat with their fleet of three Kilo class subs and some indigenously developed midget submarines. We need to keep in mind that never in its 60 years of history has Pakistan ever been threatened, or come under hostile scrutiny, from this Islamic country.
* Maldives, Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia and other littoral entities –not known, if any of these nations are armed with submarines. They don't even have much of a conventional navy, and not likely they would like to waste their time attacking Pakistan, or anybody else for that matter.
* The Indian Navy – not likely that they are the target of such largesse. We know the friendly relations that the US and India maintain and for long the two countries have been speaking about striking up a strategic partnership. So, the chances that the US is arming the Pakistan Navy with such equipment as a foil to the Indian Navy are not very likely.
* The Taliban Navy – then, is the only likely hostile source. They have to be looked at with the utmost concern.

Anti-Taliban underwater hardware
Now, on to the menace that the PN faces from the Taliban Navy –which, as the world knows, is armed with a hugely sophisticated Navy. To battle Talibani cadres, who have been known to swim unaided from Karachi to Mumbai- clenching Kalashnikov's in their teeth and carrying Jihadi goodwill in their hearts – the US, very thoughtfully, has decided to arm the PN with the very latest in anti-submarine warfare technology.

It has already contracted for the supply of a large number of maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft.

The contract envisages the sale of 45 AN/SSQ-36B, 50 AN/SSQ-62E and 350 AN/SSQ-53F sonobuoys to the Pakistan Navy – a total of 445 units.

How will these state-of-the-art sonobuoys help neutralise Taliban cadres, even as they comb and trim their beards underwater, and seek to destroy PN assets through deep breathing?

AN/SSQ-36B
Let's start with the AN/SSQ-36B Bathythermograph. This is a sonobuoy manufactured for the US Navy and provides vertical temperature profiles of the ocean layer for ASW purposes. So, as a submarine moves into an area its presence affects the temperature of the water around it and the bathythermograph will provide enough data to locate the lurking sub.

Basic capabilities include a 2625 feet (800 metre) temperature profile and the capability to select one VHF transmitter channel out of 99 available channels.

Thermistors located in the probe measures the changes in seawater temperature during the descent of a submarine from the surface. The data can be processed and displayed as a temperature versus depth comparison, which can be transmitted by radio frequency (RF) to the launch aircraft.

In the case of the Pakistan Navy this means they can hope to track Taliban cadre even as they dive to great depths under the sea to launch an attack on naval assets.

It will also help the PN, particularly, as it keeps track of Indian nuke subs –as, and when, they take to the waters.

The AN/SSQ-36B Bathythermograph can be launched from the air from fixed or rotary-wing aircraft as also from the deck of a vessel.

AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
AN/SSQ-62E DICASSUnlike the previous class, the AN/SSQ-62E Directional Command Activated Sonobuoy System (DICASS) is the latest version of the active class of sonobuoys. The DICASS is a command activated sonobuoy, which, operating in tandem with a monitoring unit(s) signal processing equipment, can provide active sonar range, bearing, and Doppler information on a submarine.

The DICASS can select depth families - either shallow or deep. If the shallow family is selected, depth settings of 50, 150, or 300 feet are available. If the deep family is selected, depth settings of 90, 400, and 1500 are available. These depth options provide sufficient flexibility for both littoral and open ocean ASW operations.

Good news for everybody - no escape for the Taliban cadre, either in shallow or deep water.

AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
The AN/SSQ-53F Directional Frequency and Ranging (DIFAR) is the latest passive sonobuoy being produced for the US Navy.

The main component of each DIFAR is a directional hydrophone that gives bearings to where the acoustic signal originated. The DIFAR sonobuoy detects acoustic energy from 5 to 2,400 Hz and can operate for up to eight hours at depths of up to 1000 feet.

These sonobuoys have also been used for research to track whale populations and monitor underwater volcanic activity. In the case of the PN it can now track Jihadi war cries as they emanate from the depths of the sea.

Conclusion
The right of a nation to arm itself is a sovereign one and no objections can be taken on that score. What we need to look at is the reason why the US is persisting with its cold war strategy of propping up Pakistan militarily against India.
domain-b.com : After the Taliban Air Force, time to battle the Taliban Navy
 
Last edited:
.
Frankly, i could care less about Indian's opinion.The mere fact that USAF used F-16's in Afghanistan nullifies the article and OTOH Pakistan does need strong deterrence against India so it can comfortably fight Taliban without worrying about Indian aggression.
 
.
What we need to look at is the reason why the US is persisting with its cold war strategy of propping up Pakistan militarily against India.

Because a reasonable deterrence on the part of Pakistan keeps the Indians in line and prevents them from becoming too belligerent against Pakistan. Secondly, the US policy currently is to allow both sides to get what they want within a reasonable limit. If India is allowed to get a nuclear deal which indirectly helps build up Indian nuclear weapons stockpiles, why is a similar deal to equip the PAF or PN causing such heartburn?

Who is India going to use this nuclear stockpile against? It has to be either Pakistan or China.

Another case of Indians feeling sorry for themselves without realizing that they are also getting a lot of stuff which can and will probably be used only against Pakistan.
 
.
But guys notice interesting point in his column, If US selling Indian Navy stealthy features then it also selling Pakistan its cure....lolzzzzz
 
.
Haha wat a stupid dude calling it the taliban airforce and navy ! dummy they got nothing better ever do but to talk gossip like women ! dude needs some serious help :crazy::lol:
 
.
So let me get this straight, Indians are having a pain in their @ss just because some sonobuoys are being sold to Pakistan. Talk about being paranoia [Mod edit]these guys have against Pakistan. They want all the military hardware they can get their hands on and when some one else tries to do the same, we hear the usual whining. What they forgot is that Pakistan is also helping the international forces in enforcing the law and making sure that AQ does not use sea lanes to hurt any particular nations assets.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
heard statement of ex-indian coas roychaudhry saying pak nukes prevented india's from attacking pakistan after 26/11 !!!
 
.
heard statement of ex-indian coas roychaudhry saying pak nukes prevented india's from attacking pakistan after 26/11 !!!

We have them in a checkmate position because of these nukes, that is why they resort to terrorism and funding terror within Pakistan and yes, even India.
 
.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: its funny how Indians Mix Everything Up, Taliban Air Force and NAVY, What are Indians trying to do, They will make Obama sleepless :woot: and Go nuts :taz: If He ever knew that Taliban have an Air force and Navy.

What we can do about these Indians :crazy::crazy: Who think Pakistan Air Force and Navy is Also under Taliban.

Another Stupid and Failed Attempt by the Indians to cancel Military Hardware supply to PAF and PN.
 
.
heard statement of ex-indian coas roychaudhry saying pak nukes prevented india's from attacking pakistan after 26/11 !!!

That is not definite, but India would almost definitely have attacked Pakistan in 2002, if Pakistan had not possessed nukes.
 
. .
heard statement of ex-indian coas roychaudhry saying pak nukes prevented india's from attacking pakistan after 26/11 !!!

Obviously they are going to single out our nuclear factor, however truth is a bit different, where as nukes did play their part however the amount of readiness and preparedness showed by the PAF caught the Indians off guard. They weren't expecting it which made them violate Pakistan's airspace. Moreover they were of an opinion that uncle SAM may well convince Pakistan to stand down and let Indians have a bit of fun, however that too received a devastating blow, God bless our COAS when he showed Mullen the pic of an Indian jet being locked on and stated next time we are going to bring it down.:sniper:

Indian COAS can say what he wants too, after all he's trying to cover the embarrassment that the Indian army faced both in 2002 and now after 26/11 and is facing heavy criticism from circles all over the country. Fact of the matter is that Pakistan armed forces in the tenure of Musharraf has massively upgraded its conventional capabilities and can stand on their own to defend the mother land from hostility, nuclear card wouldn't be brought into the equation so earlier.
 
.
I don't know why we should act like a big brother if Pakistan get some military hardware. We have the right to go and buy what we think is right for us so how can they be denied this right.

**** friends should understand the reasons for heart burn are the acts like 26/11 which creates lot of mistrust among us. The Kashmir issue is another one I don't know what is the solution as I don’t see any country giving one inch of the part of Kashmir with it to other .The map of India and Pakistan will not look any different from what it is today in years to come. So what are we negotiating for? It is just to fool the people in both countries for some vote bank politics. Why can’t we freeze the LOC as the international boundary and move on with our respective lives. Please update if there is a different point of view.

Once you have nukes it doest make a difference what else you buy as it is the ultimate deterrence. All I want to say is let not a third party exploit our differences and increase it. We can agree to disagree but all in good diplomatic sprit.


The bottom line is Americans should not be trusted by any one they have only their interest in mind. We will be fools to believe they have interest of India or Pakistan's in their mind.
 
.
i think indians have gone madd they want to fill any topic of pakistan with taliban taliban
 
.
This article's not worth my time. But the only point I want raise is the one raised by Haider sir. It's a policy of America to sell one party a system and then selling it's cure to the other and vice versa but they can't be blamed. This is an excellent policy fianancially and benefits their country.
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom