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[Awesome]

Who the hell are you? Slaughterers of Muslims? If Kashmiris are your people then you should forsake India and fight for Kashmir!

There's no other way around it! India is Killing Kashmiris, Kashmiris are Fighting Indians, you say Kashmiris are your people then you got to choose, kashmiris or India!

I mean can Indians really walk their talk?

 

[Bull]

There's no other way around it! India is Killing Kashmiris, Kashmiris are Fighting Indians, you say Kashmiris are your people then you got to choose, kashmiris or India!

You are the one who is saying Kahmiris are fighting, what we are saying is that its the Pakistanis who are fighting in Kashmir. And we are killing those Pakistanis.

I mean can Indians really walk their talk?

lol...wtf.

 

[Marathaman]

I mean can Indians really walk their talk?

Oh yes. We have proved our worth and our principles against all odds.
India cannot be divided on the basis of religion. Whether the divisive forces come from within, or from outside.
India will stand true, and will prove her mettle.

If you want to know how the average Indian miiddle class teenager thinks today,
read "Wings of Fire" by our beloved president. Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam

If Pakistan wants to progress, her people should learn to read, not to shoot.

 

[joey]

you want me to guarantee that people of Kashmir wont stand up to the occupying army.i don't think i can do that.
I think that Pakistan should support the people of Kashmir 100% in there desire to send occupying forces packing.but i love this argument ''few misguided youths''.

Four Hindi-speaking persons killed in Assam
Continuing attacks on Hindi-speaking people in Assam, ULFA and Karbi Longri National Liberation Front (KLNLF) militants shot dead four persons in Karbi-Anglon district.

Police said 12 heavily armed militants kidnapped the four persons, including a woman, from upper Dehori and Rongbong Hat villages last night.

They were taken to an isolated place near Rongbong Hat Tiniali and shot dead, they said.

Sixteen Hindi-speaking people, including two women and six children, were killed and 13 others seriously injured in three joint attacks by ULFA and KLNLF militants in the same district on Friday night.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=90761#compstory

Apparently there is some more misguided youths in a different state.but for some reason Indians don't have 700,000army personal there.

I didnt quite get your Argument, nor did I used the word called misguided youth, Can you put me up simply what Was your answer?

The Assam issue is a complex issue, There is a Evangelical angle to it regarding funding, there is a angle of bad policies of some government to it, The assamese always fought among themselved among their tribes bodos et al, there is a angle to that, Its a different matter , linking it with Kashmir and trying to put up a argument is silly at best.

Now your question Do you know any Army officer? do you know how big Kashmir border is? and how hard is it to protect it? do you realise the DYNAMICS OF two problems are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? and deployment of armed forces on the same level on both the fronts be the argument to prove anything other than poor knowledge of deployment, go in forums like small war council and ask the veterans about deployment and its necessity.

 

[joey]

That is such a cop out post Joey. I respect most of your posts as being analytical and logical, but this is rubbish. I can sit here and type out something to the effect of; "Indians always bring up the same arguments every time, and I leave them speechless with my brilliant counter arguments, and they still don't learn! So stop replying to them!"

You may have brought these points up with Asim before, the fact that he has not changed his mind can also indicate that your arguments were not good enough. Without any idea of what your discussion was like, why should anyone believe you? If you really think that your arguments were "brilliant" post a link to the thread and let people make up their own minds. Otherwise ignore the "obstinate Asim", and let the other members make up their minds after discussing the issue with him themselves.

I understand your point and your correct, but dude its frustating to see a mod can act so immature inspite of each of his arguments being beaten to death insopite of ME BEING DEAD SURE of he knowing what were the counter arguments presented to him in many other boards as well, he'll bring up the same thing, I do study a little of psyche and I simply wanted marathaman to discontinue the discussion, because it is useless wastage of bandwidth in a pissing contest without any constructive thoughts, I dont have any authority to ask marathaman to stop and point out how useless it is, nor it comes under my aethics but hey I just did.

 

[joey]

How lame can the Indian army get? Can't the stop the infiltration in all these years?

Look at Pakistan it has so narrowly dropped the infiltration on the Afghan borders.

The truth is militants are getting support for the war from both sides of the LoC. Admit it, and stop living in denial. You might live a little longer.

You have no clue what your talking about, definitely a practicing musician should not have a clue regarding troop deployment, Infilteration in a terrain like Kashmir is impossible to completely Zero down, If you think otherwise prove it in forums where ex-army guys will be present.

The truth ot be told is that the millitants attacked kashmir FIRST with supoprt of GOP in 1947, their kith and kin has not been completely pushed back in Pakistani Kashmir, entirely possible their breed among local population a faction supporting the great Caliphate type movement, howevern I can assure you that the movement of them is more than just to join Pakistan. Can you PROVE ME that the tribal peoples who attacked Kashmir with the help of Pakistan Government in the 1947, completely moved out of where stands todays Indian Kashmir?

What is the treatment you have metted out to Muslims all over India that anyone should believe Highways would be built, Schools would teach and paradise would follow?

Dude trust me, you don't know this... But from where I see it, there's is only international pressure standing between some of your Hindu crazies and gutting the Muslims out of existence in India.

Ask yourself, this lie that you are stating over n over, that Kashmiris like India (if not hate and detest it), why would they?

They get killed by Indians, they are not allowed a simple vote, they are being raped by Indian army men whenever they feel like. How low a race do you consider Kashmiris to be to support you guys after all this?

Seriously Stop drinking

 

[Marathaman]

The truth ot be told is that the millitants attacked kashmir FIRST with supoprt of GOP in 1947, their kith and kin has not been completely pushed back in Pakistani Kashmir, entirely possible their breed among local population a faction supporting the great Caliphate type movement, howevern I can assure you that the movement of them is more than just to join Pakistan. Can you PROVE ME that the tribal peoples who attacked Kashmir with the help of Pakistan Government in the 1947, completely moved out of where stands todays Indian Kashmir?

That is very true. The demographics of Kashmir has changed considerably since 1947.
The kashmiri pandits have been displaced, and infiltrators have come over the years from Pakistan, and managed to build homes here.

My request to Pakistan is....stop blowing up your human resources in the name of jihad.
It will only come back to bite you in the a*ss.....and it already is.

 

[Awesome]

That is very true. The demographics of Kashmir has changed considerably since 1947.
The kashmiri pandits have been displaced, and infiltrators have come over the years from Pakistan, and managed to build homes here.

My request to Pakistan is....stop blowing up your human resources in the name of jihad.
It will only come back to bite you in the a*ss.....and it already is.

India started its deployment of troops in Kashmir first. Kashmiris rose in rebellion and of course Pak sent its own troops. By the help of both we retain what part of Kashmir we have today.

 

[alamgir]

That is very true. The demographics of Kashmir has changed considerably since 1947.
The kashmiri pandits have been displaced, and infiltrators have come over the years from Pakistan, and managed to build homes here.

My request to Pakistan is....stop blowing up your human resources in the name of jihad.
It will only come back to bite you in the a*ss.....and it already is.

what shamless indian propaganda,many kashmiri from IOK inter in pakistan from 1989.to aviod tortur and killing.and jihad destroy USSR and india have nothing to compare with ex USSR in terms of milatry might

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I understand your point and your correct, but dude its frustating to see a mod can act so immature inspite of each of his arguments being beaten to death insopite of ME BEING DEAD SURE of he knowing what were the counter arguments presented to him in many other boards as well, he'll bring up the same thing, I do study a little of psyche and I simply wanted marathaman to discontinue the discussion, because it is useless wastage of bandwidth in a pissing contest without any constructive thoughts, I dont have any authority to ask marathaman to stop and point out how useless it is, nor it comes under my aethics but hey I just did.

I disagree with you about Asims arguments being "beaten to death" Joey. From what I have read on this thread, his primary argument has been that the people in Kashmir (not Jammu or Laddakh) do not support living under India, and that there is a strong local component to the "insurgency". He has presented examples/anecdotes, and now even this recent poll by an Indian organization to support his case. You could dig up pictures of Kashmiri "village defense committees" or what not, and other polls to support your POV, but by using those methods you can no more conclusively prove Asim incorrect than, as you claim, he can you.

The people of Kashmir support India. They are indians and will fight the Pakistani infiltrators to the last.

The majority of Kashmiris are loyal to India. Surveys conducted among them prove this point.

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2002/kashmir.shtml

Ahh but, as Asim pointed out, this most recent Indian poll possibly shows otherwise.

87pc in Srinagar want independence
Delhi’s Centre for the Study of Developing Societies interviewed 226 people in Srinagar and 255 in Jammu for the poll, published in Monday’s Indian Express.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\14\story_14-8-2007_pg1_3

Oh great you got the result without conducting the plebiscite. Was this also counted and checked the same way Mushraff got 99.99% votes. lol

Are you referring to the above poll, and if so, are you implying that the Indians are rigging their own polls and surveys to make it appear that the Kashmiris do not support the idea of being a part of India?

 

[Neo]

Neo,

My adult life has been spent mostly in Kashmir.

The majority do not want to join Pakistan. The basic difference is that they are Sufis and they do not find the chord with the no Sufi sect.

However, I will also say this that of late the Deobandis are building madrassas and are hell bent to change the mindset.

Sir,

Please your comment on this latest report:

87pc in Srinagar want independence​

NEW DELHI: Eighty-seven percent of people living in Indian Kashmir’s summer capital want their troubled and divided state to become an independent country, according to a poll in an Indian newspaper on Monday.

India and Pakistan have fought and argued over the Himalayan region ever since partition in 1947, but 87 percent of people questioned in Srinagar have no allegiance to either side.

Only 3 percent of the mainly Muslim inhabitants of the city think Kashmir should become part of Pakistan, and 7 percent prefer Indian rule, the poll said. But down in Jammu, the state’s mainly Hindu winter capital in the plains to the south, 95 percent think Kashmir should be part of India.

Both countries claim the region in full, and both have ruled out independence as an option. India controls around 45 percent of the former princely state, Pakistan around a third and China the rest, a largely uninhabited slice of high-altitude desert. Delhi’s Centre for the Study of Developing Societies interviewed 226 people in Srinagar and 255 in Jammu for the poll, published in Monday’s Indian Express.

People in 10 Indian and 10 Pakistani cities were also interviewed. Indians were keener to keep control of the region than Pakistanis — 67 percent of urban Indians think it should be ruled from New Delhi, against 48 percent of Pakistanis who wanted Islamabad to take full control, according to the poll. Another 47 percent of Pakistanis said they supported independence for Kashmir.

The overwhelming majority of Srinagar’s residents think the security forces have too much power.

The overwhelming majority of Srinagar’s residents think the security forces have too much power. The army is often accused of killing innocent people and other rights abuses, operating under a special law that largely protects soldiers from prosecution. reuters

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\14\story_14-8-2007_pg1_3

 

[Bull]

Sir,

Please your comment on this latest report:

Which 'Indian newspaper' conducted that survey?

 

[Neo]

Which 'Indian newspaper' conducted that survey?

It doesn't say, but the news is all over the major newspapers:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/30/stories/2006043023010100.htm

http://www.kashmirobserver.com/index.php?id=3033

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070813/137/6jdbo.html

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=90785

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DEL291796.htm

 

[Bull]

It doesn't say, but the news is all over the major newspapers:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/30/stories/2006043023010100.htm

http://www.kashmirobserver.com/index.php?id=3033

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070813/137/6jdbo.html

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=90785

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DEL291796.htm

Its Indian Express, i checked it.

 

[Bull]

It doesn't say, but the news is all over the major newspapers:

http://www.hindu.com/2006/04/30/stories/2006043023010100.htm

http://www.kashmirobserver.com/index.php?id=3033

http://in.news.yahoo.com/070813/137/6jdbo.html

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=90785

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/DEL291796.htm

Well isnt it a bit wierd that such a poll is allowed to be conducted and then published in all those Indian newspapers?