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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Its a survey done on a sample. So if you take the real figures its 87% of the people surveyed.

Isn't that the point behind conducting polls? Using a "sample"?
From the little that has been published so far, it is hard to tell whether an appropriately diverse cross section of people was surveyed, but even if it was, the best way to determine the wishes of ALL Kashmiris would be to conduct a free and fair Plebiscite and respect the results.

Nonetheless, the poll does bolster the view that the Kashmiris do not want to remain a part of India.

Which 'Indian newspaper' conducted that survey?

Never heard about the organization before but this is what was reported on Daily Times

Delhi’s Centre for the Study of Developing Societies interviewed 226 people in Srinagar and 255 in Jammu for the poll, published in Monday’s Indian Express.

 

[Awesome]

Well don't worry. Kashmir will fare much better under India, than under any other arrangement.
Btw...what is it that makes you feel akin to kashmiris? Are you a kashmiri your self?



Undoubtedly, an Independent kashmir, all things being equal, will ally with India. Does that even need explanation?

With what things being equal?

Yaar if you are so sure about Kashmiris let's just ask them? Let's do a nation wide plebiscite silence us Pakistanis for saying otherwise?

 

[blitz]

You guys just don't get it do you ? Let us assume that every thing that our Pakistani members say about Indian oppression and Kashmiri freedom struggle is true. Despite that, there are 2 ways, and only 2 ways by which Kashmir can gain independence. Either some one forcefully wrests it from India, be that outside military intervention or indigenous rebellion, or some one offers India something so much more valuable, that it willingly parts from Kashmir.

The first one Pakistan has tried, and is still trying. The second one is something no one can offer yet. Was India's possession of Kashmir morally right or wrong ? no one gives a sh#t, apart from Kashmiris and Pakistanis. Do you guys get it yet ? Despite how many times might you convince us that Kashmir is this, Kashmir is that, no one cares. Its just too insignificant in the greater scheme of things. Might is right. Sadly this world still works this way.

No amount of crying infront of the UN, or "exposing" Indian atrocities to the world is going to make India part with it. The world will pay momentary lip service to the 'right of self-determination', giggle behind your back, then get back to wooing India for business. And that my friend, is the naked truth.

So why don't we stop beating this dead horse and move on ?

 

[Awesome]

You guys just don't get it do you ? Let us assume that every thing that our Pakistani members say about Indian oppression and Kashmiri freedom struggle is true. Despite that, there are 2 ways, and only 2 ways by which Kashmir can gain independence. Either some one forcefully wrests it from India, be that outside military intervention or indigenous rebellion, or some one offers India something so much more valuable, that it willingly parts from Kashmir.

So now its about India and not Kashmiris .

Aahhh the reality dawns upon itself!

The first one Pakistan has tried, and is still trying. The second one is something no one can offer yet. Was India's possession of Kashmir morally right or wrong ?

No question about it, it was wrong...

no one gives a sh#t, apart from Kashmiris and Pakistanis.

Yes, gotchya!

Only Kashmiris and Pakistanis care about Kashmir. We are synonymous and India holds Kashmir hostage!

Do you guys get it yet ? Despite how many times might you convince us that Kashmir is this, Kashmir is that, no one cares. Its just too insignificant in the greater scheme of things. Might is right. Sadly this world still works this way.

That just makes your extremely horrible people and this is by your OWN admission and not my allegation.

No amount of crying infront of the UN, or "exposing" Indian atrocities to the world is going to make India part with it. The world will pay momentary lip service to the 'right of self-determination', giggle behind your back, then get back to wooing India for business.

So why make a drama of calling the rebellion terrorists, and that you are there to defend Kashmiris. IA in Kashmir, by your own admission, can now safely be termed as glorified thugs and hostage takers.

So why don't we stop beating this dead horse and move on ?

You yourself, said it, no one gives a crap. We have to make people realize the reality and make sure the good fight goes on!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You guys just don't get it do you ? Let us assume that every thing that our Pakistani members say about Indian oppression and Kashmiri freedom struggle is true. Despite that, there are 2 ways, and only 2 ways by which Kashmir can gain independence. Either some one forcefully wrests it from India, be that outside military intervention or indigenous rebellion, or some one offers India something so much more valuable, that it willingly parts from Kashmir.

The first one Pakistan has tried, and is still trying. The second one is something no one can offer yet. Was India's possession of Kashmir morally right or wrong ? no one gives a sh#t, apart from Kashmiris and Pakistanis. Do you guys get it yet ? Despite how many times might you convince us that Kashmir is this, Kashmir is that, no one cares. Its just too insignificant in the greater scheme of things. Might is right. Sadly this world still works this way.

No amount of crying infront of the UN, or "exposing" Indian atrocities to the world is going to make India part with it. The world will pay momentary lip service to the 'right of self-determination', giggle behind your back, then get back to wooing India for business. Thats how it works.

So why don't we stop beating this dead horse and move on ?

Because "Might is not Right". Because if we were to do what you say, we might as well just sit back, relax and watch the next holocaust unfold, the next Balkans destroy the hopes of a people. There is only one logical conclusion to your suggestion and that is anarchy, terror and injustice. The world is not absolute and it would be foolish to assume that everything can be influenced or changed to be the exception to the idea of "might is right", but it would a shame for humanity if we did not try, wherever possible, to work for that change.

 

[blitz]

Lol Asim, i do not indulge in circular arguments that lead to no where. So ok, i accept what you said. So now what ? You convinced 1 out of our 1.2 billion. What you gonna do next ?

 

[Awesome]

Your 1.2 Billion are all convinced, but too ashamed to admit it.

 

[blitz]

You know what, Yes, all those 1.2 billion are also convinced, but they still refuse to part with Kashmir. So now what ?

 

[Awesome]

You know what, Yes, all those 1.2 billion are also convinced, but they still refuse to part with Kashmir. So now what ?

Now Khundur...

 

[Marathaman]

Blitz I'm sorry to say that you are wrong.

Kashmiris are Indians, and being fellow Indians, we want what is best for them.

India cannot and will never be divided.

Kashmiris will sooner or later realize that being with India, with her vast resources and global influence, will be best for them.

The people of Punjab, Andhra, and other states realized this, and so will they.

It has taken a lot more time for the Kashmiris to integrate with India, given the strife in the region. But once Kashmr is peaceful, common sense will once again prevail.

Pakistan just wants revenge because they were divided in '71. Unfortunately, they will never get it. We shall show the Kashmiris what it means to be Indian. To be proud and to stand up for our democratic and secular values.

 

[Awesome]

Blitz I'm sorry to say that you are wrong.

Kashmiris are Indians, and being fellow Indians, we want what is best for them.

India cannot and will never be divided.

Kashmiris will sooner or later realize that being with India, with her vast resources and global influence, will be best for them.

The people of Punjab, Andhra, and other states realized this, and so will they.

It has taken a lot more time for the Kashmiris to integrate with India, given the strife in the region. But once Kashmr is peaceful, common sense will once again prevail.

Pakistan just wants revenge because they were divided in '71. Unfortunately, they will never get it. We shall show the Kashmiris what it means to be Indian. To be proud and to stand up for our democratic and secular values.

We wanted Kashmir since 1947!

 

[Marathaman]

We wanted Kashmir since 1947!

Sure. But since 1971, it got personal!!

Just leave the Kashmiris alone. They are an autonomous state under India. They have got an amazing deal: Autonomy, and the resources of a huge country.

There is no need to ruin there lives by sending jihadis across the border.

 

[Awesome]

Sure. But since 1971, it got personal!!

Just leave the Kashmiris alone. They are an autonomous state under India. They have got an amazing deal: Autonomy, and the resources of a huge country.

There is no need to ruin there lives by sending jihadis across the border.

And in turn your army boys rape and murder them occasionally?

Dude we are ready to let go of Kashmir, but we have to save them first!

 

[Awesome]

And in turn your army boys rape and murder them occasionally?

Dude we are ready to let go of Kashmir, but we have to save them first!

Look look, seriously we'll be giving up territory as well if Kashmiris choose to go independent.

 

[Marathaman]

And in turn your army boys rape and murder them occasionally?

Rape and murder are heinous acts done by individual soldiers. They have been punished accordingly. The govt. has started taking measures to ensure that this doesn't happen in the future.

Dude we are ready to let go of Kashmir, but we have to save them first!

Blasting bombs in Kashmir will not save anyone. If you want to save them, then do it by diplomatic means. Don't send untrained mercenaries to do it.