Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh

[Baibars_1260]

It's about time BJP comes to power in West Bengal, Didi has made it a shit hole of illegal immigration for vote bank which needs major rectification.

I very much agree with you that BJP is likely to come to power in West Bengal. Illegal immigration is a big factor, and the BJP has very shrewdly started emphasizing the distinction between illegal migrants and Indian Muslims. It successfully did this in Assam which caused it to win seats in predominantly Assamese Muslim areas. The linguistic divide between Assamese speaking Muslims (like the family of Anwara Taimur who was India's first Muslim woman chief minister), and Bangladeshi Muslims is quite prominent.
The BJP is trying a similar strategy in West Bengal where West Bengali Muslims are being courted. As pointed out earlier there is not much love lost between Bangladeshis and West Bengali Muslims. These are two completely different people with only a superficial resemblance. The West Bengali Muslims over 73 years have had very shrewd alliances with whoever has been in power from Congress, CPM, TMC. Prominent West Bengali Muslims have jumped ship to the BJP.

My prediction is that the BJP will capture power in West Bengal.
Bengali identity in India is linked to its Renaissance which in turn was based on an emphasis of Hindu identity.
Bangladeshis sing the Dwijendrageeti "Dhanno Dhanne Pushpe Bhora .." without the Sanskrit Vandana preceding it. In India the reformist Hinduism of Ishwar Chandra has dominated Bengali Hindu culture for 150 years.
West Bengal will assert its Hindu identity which it feels threatened by illegal migration, hopefully without a communal holocaust against West Bengali Muslims.
From Pakistan's point of view it is of little significance. Pakistan has no stake in what happens in West Bengal.

 

[Varunastra]

Bangladeshi Hindus are living a very happy life here .Doesn't matter how much propaganda you sanghis spread , they aren't going to migrate to India.

And about illegal Bangladeshi propaganda? I vowed not even to discuss about these dirty propaganda, period.

Do you deny that religion comes over nationality/ethnic identity for majority of Bangladeshis?

 

[Baibars_1260]

Trust me, we have more than enough resources to fight india and deep down they know it. That is why despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the full backing of the West and Russia, sanghis/rss goons will not dare mess with us. They will only fight and kill their own minorities.

Agree.. Pakistan doesn't need allies ( least of all Bangladesh) to fight India . We have always fought alone. Gary Blase's document is a telling disclosure how at the end of December 1971 India was extremely anxious about the situation on the Western border. That was back then.

 

[Al-zakir]

Thanks for the compliment.
Our views are more important than who we are :
Just to go over the facts .

Driven by a combination of factors such as sectarian communal politics, climate change and population pressures, illegal infiltration from Bangladesh is a problem for India.

(a) There are Hindus leaving due to communal violence, mostly from poorly administered remote rural regions.

(b) Muslims fleeing depletion of their agricultural lands due to erosion and climate change effects.
Or simply overpopulation ( 2400 + per sq.km )

(c) Buddhists ( Chakma tribals) fleeing sectarian violence with Bengali Muslim settlers in the CHT.

That the above has been a problem has been admitted by the home ministers all political parties ( Congress, Left Wing, BJP). The Indian states most affected have been Assam and West Bengal.
Most notably the exact figures were quoted in the Indian Lok Sabha by Indian Home Minister Inderjit Gupta
himself a Left Wing West Bengali Hindu.
News report:
"
In May 1997, then Union home minister Indrajit Gupta said there were 10 million illegal immigrants in India. Of them, he said, four million were estimated to be in Assam. "

There is a little known fact that West Bengali Muslims don't support Bangladesh at all. They are quite indignant at being dubbed a Bangladeshi just as Indian Muslims of today are furious when they are dubbed as "Pakistanis".
The West Bengali Muslims are proud of the composite West Bengali inclusiveness ( now fast fading) and their cultural and linguistic links with their Hindu counterparts remains ( till now ) robust. In accent, cuisine, dress, and overall culture they are distinct. The minority schools in West Bengal by state decree have the common prayer each morning for their children ( after singing the National Anthem)

"Banglar Vayu Banglar Jol
Banglar Matir, Banglar Phol

Dhanya He Dhanya He, Hau Bhagowan "
Trans:
The air, water, soil and fruit of Bengal. We are grateful for these Oh Almighty.

The new generation of West Bengali Muslims such as Nusrat Jehan Ruhi
are even more distanced from any association with pre-Partition united Bengal.
Ironically one of the consular officers India sent to its High Commission in Bangladesh immediately after the country's independence was a West Bengali Muslim, in the innocent hope that the presence of a person with such a background would help. It didn't.
Khan Abdul Ghani Khan Chowdhury representing India in the Teesta waters dispute made a mess of the negotiations by his arrogance and snooty attitude towards his Bangladeshi counterparts ( blowing the myth that language and religion improve interaction).

The British and Irish are close ... but not the same...

You definitely not pakistani. You must be a west Bengali. Your knowledge in bangla literature is too deep.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Its not about economies. Its resources. What you are saying is true if india was united. India today is not united and is facing various internal conflicts in various regions.

Its not about money. There is some much fighting materials you have to spare on so many fronts.

India is a democracy of sorts with differences in various regions but it is holding so far. India makes shrewd concessions where necessary, and surprisingly it made concessions in Kashmir as well. It was expected that the fascist regime would launch a large scale genocide, and religious cleansing of the Kashmiri Muslims, sending millions over the border into Pakistan. So far this has not happened, the brutal lockdown of the valley not withstanding. De-classified documents now available show that India almost regretted its role in the creation of Bangladesh because that meant a permanent and generational enmity with Pakistan and a "never" solution to the Kashmir issue.

You are mistaken if you think India lacks the money to fight Bangladesh. India will be facing an extremely weak enemy.
Given the state of Bangladesh's armed forces India's paramilitary forces alone will be enough to destroy them. But India is neither interested in annexing Bangladesh, nor is it interested in fighting Bangladesh unless Bangladesh restricts India's access to its North Eastern states. Any attempt by Bangladesh to interfere will meet with a punishing missile and artillery response. India can choose the Gaza option and keep Bangladesh bottled up. In effect it is already doing this.

 

[fallstuff]

i guess he is assuming if India brought their entire military to the Eastern front then they would conquer Bangladesh in 14 days

That just might be possible.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is a democracy of sorts with differences in various regions but it is holding so far. India makes shrewd concessions where necessary, and surprisingly it made concessions in Kashmir as well. It was expected that the fascist regime would launch a large scale genocide, and religious cleansing of the Kashmiri Muslims, sending millions over the border into Pakistan. So far this has not happened, the brutal lockdown of the valley not withstanding. De-classified documents now available show that India almost regretted its role in the creation of Bangladesh because that meant a permanent and generational enmity with Pakistan and a "never" solution to the Kashmir issue.

You are mistaken if you think India lacks the money to fight Bangladesh. India will be facing an extremely weak enemy.
Given the state of Bangladesh's armed forces India's paramilitary forces alone will be enough to destroy them. But India is neither interested in annexing Bangladesh, nor is it interested in fighting Bangladesh unless Bangladesh restricts India's access to its North Eastern states. Any attempt by Bangladesh to interfere will meet with a punishing missile and artillery response. India can choose the Gaza option and keep Bangladesh bottled up. In effect it is already doing this.

Look at what has happened to america after the wars in Iraq and afghanistan. america is much weaker now than it was pre-11/09/2001. india in NO WAY can launch a war and hold on to foreign territory. If america can't then india cannot in a million years.

 

[Al-zakir]

Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh
Tribune Desk

• Published at 01:20 pm February 12th, 2021

File photo: Home Minister Amit Shah gestures as he arrives at the Parliament House in New Delhi on December 10, 2019AFP

He said the drive for change is for ending infiltration, for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla’

BJP chief Amit Shah has yet again made anti-immigration rhetoric aimed at Bangladesh.
“This Parivartan Yatra [drive for change] is not for changing a CM [chief minister], MLA [member of legislative assembly] or minister. It is for ending infiltration, it is for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla.’ It’s for the transformation of [West] Bengal.” The Indian Express quoted BJP President Amit Shah as saying.

He made the statements during two public meetings in Kochbihar and Thakurnagar in West Bengal on Thursday.


He also said: “You vote the BJP to power in [West] Bengal. Leave alone illegal immigrants, not even a bird from across the border will be allowed to enter the state.”

Similar political rhetoric came from the BJP leader back in 2016, ahead of Assam Assembly elections.

However, the ruling Trinamool Congress in West Bengal, claims that the infiltration was supported during their rule, which the central government says is completely baseless.

Many political observers also think that the BJP is trying to bring forth the communal agenda behind the so-called infiltration issue.

Citizenship Amendment Act

Amit Shah also said that the process of granting citizenship to refugees under the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) will begin once the Covid-19 vaccination drive ends.

“The Narendra Modi government had promised in 2018 that it will bring in a new citizenship law for the refugees. We kept the promise after the BJP was voted to power in 2019 and brought in the Citizenship Amendment Act. However, it could not be implemented as the country was hit by the pandemic in 2020,” Shah said.

“As the CAA implementation was delayed, Mamata Didi started saying that we made a false promise. She started opposing the CAA and said she will never allow it,” he said, referring to Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee.

He added: “But the BJP always fulfils the promises it makes. As soon as the Covid-19 situation improves and the vaccination drive ends, the process of granting citizenship under CAA will begin.”

“I want to assure the minority community of this country that the CAA will not impact their citizenship status. The CAA has been brought in to grant citizenship to refugees and not to take away citizenship from anyone. The opposition are misleading the people regarding the CAA,” said Shah.

Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh

He said the drive for change is for ending infiltration, for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla’

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I'm not mad at him. He is just being a bharti.

I failed to understand why shameless Bd people visit India every day and spend in billions despite the fact that bhati treat you like a homeless beggar. Besharm beghairat loag.

 

[leonblack08]

Given the state of Bangladesh's armed forces India's paramilitary forces alone will be enough to destroy them.

I was giving you the benefit of doubt in my response to your earlier post.

But you have successfully demonstrated you are just a pseudo intellectual with a Hindutva agenda to propagate "The Indian Might".

We ought to tremble at the sight of pot bellied Indian BSF, while we suckle on our sweet thumbs. The level of excrement in your so called "strategic analysis" is way too much for me to handle.

Perhaps you should stick to discussing matters on Pakistan and let the discussion on Bangladesh to people who are at the very least knowledgeable about Bangladesh. Knowing some random Bengali proverbs and poems doesn't make one expert in Bangladesh.

And here I thought weed was only legal in Canada.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Look at what has happened to america after the wars in Iraq and afghanistan. america is much weaker now than it was pre-11/09/2001. india in NO WAY can launch a war and hold on to foreign territory. If america can't then india cannot in a million years.

India is not interested in holding foreign territory, nor is the USA. Both countries have large territories of their own. Wars today are fought more on national interests than just territory. India's interest in Bangladesh is a "Finlandisation" or Bhutan like status with full transit access to its North East.
Bangladesh is effectively a huge prison almost completely enveloped by India. The pre-1971 East Pakistan status has ended forever, so any hostility on the Bangladesh border is not reflected in a matching tension on India's Western border. Bangladesh must face nuclear armed India alone, a daunting prospect. Bangladesh doesn't need to be occupied, only made to behave properly with India and accept all of India's demands which it mostly does.

Strategically India is less worried about Bangladesh than Nepal.
Nepal has a long border with China that India would love to control but doesn't ( at least completely). Given the Chinese threat it makes far more sense for India to annex Nepal like Sikkim than bother with Bangladesh. Nepal is much tougher nut to crack given its geography and resilience of its people.

In fact India doesn't want to occupy Pakistan either but some how co-opt it into a powerful military senior-junior alliance to dominate the Middle East.
India dreams of a big power status which it will NEVER achieve unless Pakistan is somehow co-opted into an alliance. As a parallel the USA would never have been a great power if it was constantly under threat by a nuclear armed Canada. This could have happened because Canada and the British fought the USA for decades weakening it till the USA took the wise step after 1812 to accept the Canadian boundary. The secular elements in the Indian political establishment have been advocating a similar deal with Pakistan but with India's intervention in the 1971 war Pakistan has been burning to avenge it's humiliation. This was exactly what the USA had warned India about, not to interfere. Post 1971 India's left wing and centrist governments went so far as to ignore Bangladesh in preference to Pakistan. It was feared that Pakistan would move deeper into an alliance with China and this is exactly what happened.

It is too late for peace and reconciliation. India will never achieve the real big power status now. China along with Pakistan will never allow it.

 

[Jobless Jack]

You definitely not pakistani. You must be a west Bengali. Your knowledge in bangla literature is too deep.

Exactly my thought. Never met a pakistani with this much knowledge about BD politcs. That too all the wrong info

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is not interested in holding foreign territory, nor is the USA. Both countries have large territories of their own. Wars today are fought more on national interests than just territory. India's interest in Bangladesh is a "Finlandisation" or Bhutan like status with full transit access to its North East.
Bangladesh is effectively a huge prison almost completely enveloped by India. The pre-1971 East Pakistan status has ended forever, so any hostility on the Bangladesh border is not reflected in a matching tension on India's Western border. Bangladesh must face nuclear armed India alone, a daunting prospect. Bangladesh doesn't need to be occupied, only made to behave properly with India and accept all of India's demands which it mostly does.

Strategically India is less worried about Bangladesh than Nepal.
Nepal has a long border with China that India would love to control but doesn't ( at least completely). Given the Chinese threat it makes far more sense for India to annex Nepal like Sikkim than bother with Bangladesh. Nepal is much tougher nut to crack given its geography and resilience of its people.

In fact India doesn't want to occupy Pakistan either but some how co-opt it into a powerful military senior-junior alliance to dominate the Middle East.
India dreams of a big power status which it will NEVER achieve unless Pakistan is somehow co-opted into an alliance. As a parallel the USA would never have been a great power if it was constantly under threat by a nuclear armed Canada. This could have happened because Canada and the British fought the USA for decades weakening it till the USA took the wise step after 1812 to accept the Canadian boundary. The secular elements in the Indian political establishment have been advocating a similar deal with Pakistan but with India's intervention in the 1971 war Pakistan has been burning to avenge it's humiliation. This was exactly what the USA had warned India about, not to interfere. Post 1971 India's left wing and centrist governments went so far as to ignore Bangladesh in preference to Pakistan. It was feared that Pakistan would move deeper into an alliance with China and this is exactly what happened.

It is too late for peace and reconciliation. India will never achieve the real big power status now. China along with Pakistan will never allow it.

Relations between Pakistan and india are permanently dead. Neither can the indians do anything to or mess with us. The next step is for Pakistan to continue expanding our relations with both China and Turkey. Increase our relations with Iran and to mend relations with Afghanistan.

 

[VikingRaider]

Do you deny that religion comes over nationality/ethnic identity for majority of Bangladeshis?

Religion comes first everywhere. That doesn't mean that religious minorities are oppressed.

There are Bangladeshi Muslims, Bangladeshi Hindus , Bangladeshi Christians , Bangladeshi Buddhists and others .

But in the end all are Bangladeshi.

Anyday I will prefer a patriot Hindu over a Muslim who is fifth columnists born in a Muslim family.

And such fifth columnists are not only Indian stooges ,but some are against these people who still prefer Pakistani identity over Bangladesh. And also prefer Ummah concept over the interest of Bangladesh. I consider all of them as fifth columnists.

Besides I prefer best relationship with China and China isn't a Muslim majority country.

So here religion isn't the biggest fact unlike sanghi India where Muslims are considered outsides as well as their religion. We prefer to keep religion personal and in household ,not in political field.

We aren't tribal people like Bharatis. We are universal people.

You definitely not pakistani. You must be a west Bengali. Your knowledge in bangla literature is too deep.

Ustadji , although you dislike me a lot , but sometimes I love you honestly speaking. Yes this message I love. I believe already many Bangladeshi ( BAL stooge according to you) also agree with the message.

What a fantastic similarities between Jamat BNP with BAL here.

Well if my prophecy of India and Pakistan is becoming brotherly nations in future comes true , then all of us might be wrong. It's unlikely though.

However they can be chetona version of Pakistan too , not sure !

 

[fitpOsitive]

Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh
Tribune Desk

• Published at 01:20 pm February 12th, 2021

File photo: Home Minister Amit Shah gestures as he arrives at the Parliament House in New Delhi on December 10, 2019AFP

He said the drive for change is for ending infiltration, for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla’

BJP chief Amit Shah has yet again made anti-immigration rhetoric aimed at Bangladesh.
“This Parivartan Yatra [drive for change] is not for changing a CM [chief minister], MLA [member of legislative assembly] or minister. It is for ending infiltration, it is for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla.’ It’s for the transformation of [West] Bengal.” The Indian Express quoted BJP President Amit Shah as saying.

He made the statements during two public meetings in Kochbihar and Thakurnagar in West Bengal on Thursday.


He also said: “You vote the BJP to power in [West] Bengal. Leave alone illegal immigrants, not even a bird from across the border will be allowed to enter the state.”

Similar political rhetoric came from the BJP leader back in 2016, ahead of Assam Assembly elections.

However, the ruling Trinamool Congress in West Bengal, claims that the infiltration was supported during their rule, which the central government says is completely baseless.

Many political observers also think that the BJP is trying to bring forth the communal agenda behind the so-called infiltration issue.

Citizenship Amendment Act

Amit Shah also said that the process of granting citizenship to refugees under the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) will begin once the Covid-19 vaccination drive ends.

“The Narendra Modi government had promised in 2018 that it will bring in a new citizenship law for the refugees. We kept the promise after the BJP was voted to power in 2019 and brought in the Citizenship Amendment Act. However, it could not be implemented as the country was hit by the pandemic in 2020,” Shah said.

“As the CAA implementation was delayed, Mamata Didi started saying that we made a false promise. She started opposing the CAA and said she will never allow it,” he said, referring to Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee.

He added: “But the BJP always fulfils the promises it makes. As soon as the Covid-19 situation improves and the vaccination drive ends, the process of granting citizenship under CAA will begin.”

“I want to assure the minority community of this country that the CAA will not impact their citizenship status. The CAA has been brought in to grant citizenship to refugees and not to take away citizenship from anyone. The opposition are misleading the people regarding the CAA,” said Shah.

Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh

He said the drive for change is for ending infiltration, for ending violence and building ‘Sonar Bangla’

www.dhakatribune.com

If BJP won in Bengal, that will be the start of India disintegration of India. Bengalis always do it first, and then it becomes a trend in subcontinent.

 

[VikingRaider]

If BJP won in Bengal, that will be the start of India disintegration of India. Bengalis always do it first, and then it becomes a trend in subcontinent.

Nothing will happen. Hindutva isn't a product of higher caste Hindus , but obc cast is the authority of hindutva now.

And any days obc caste is more hostile to other religions , as once these OBC castes were oppressed by higher caste and now they believe that God is incarnated ( Modi is their modern incarnation) in OBC caste!

So they will happily remain United, and higher castes aren't going to neglect them.

All nations are not necessarily divided like Muslims.

I failed to understand why shameless Bd people visit India every day and spend in billions despite the fact that bhati treat you like a homeless beggar. Besharm beghairat loag.

Because during BNP Jamat allied govt people and street dog used to get medical care in the same room in PG hospital. That's the reason these shameless beghairat BD people ( according to you ) visit India to spend and get better medical services.

But if BAL project of making modern medical care in every district with the help of China , turkey and Saudi ,then I can bet Bangladeshi won't visit India anymore.

In the end everyone want to live a healthy life instead of going to behesht so fast!