Amit Shah: If BJP wins West Bengal, not even a bird will enter from Bangladesh

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

India doesn't have enough power in the Eastern front to occupy in 14 days. I am not sure where you are getting your information !

i guess he is assuming if India brought their entire military to the Eastern front then they would conquer Bangladesh in 14 days

 

[Baibars_1260]

In the event of anywar with BD. India will simply occupy the country in 14 days. However this will result in a restless and revolting population.

India is unlikely to occupy Bangladesh unless it needs to secure transit links to support its war effort in Arunachal Pradesh. Most likely Bangladesh will surrender these on its own.

As a result india will have to deploy significant number of assets to control or atleast prevent this angry population from entering india proper.

India's paramilitary strength is in excess of 300,000

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwjqa8_ubuAhVVYs0KHXj6AJsQFjAOegQILhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FParamilitary_forces_of_India&usg=AOvVaw2yRCMof-Zq7PW9S7btyv0l

It can control Bangladesh because there is no source of supply or support to a resistance. Bangladesh is essentially a huge prison .
Even Gaza is better off than Bangladesh because it has a limited access to a semi-friendly country Egypt on its border. Even though it is tightly controlled.

Resulting in 2 front war ( pak and china) and 2 insurgencies ( in kashmir and bengal)

Beijing knows this, islamabad knows this dhaka knows this.
BD is of extreme strategic importance in terms of making indians waste their assets.

No, Beijing and Pakistan are far more realistic about the fighting prowess of Bangladesh's Armed Forces. The Bangladesh Armed Forces are perpetually living in the Indian piggybacked glory of 1971 .
The Bangladesh Armed Forces couldn't even secure their territory from the Shanti Bahini Chakma insurgents in the CHT and had to make humiliating concessions. Each time there was a naval stand off with Myanmar it was Bangladesh that backed down. In the few staredowns Bangladesh has had with India ( over enclaves and islands ) it has had to back down. The most humiliating display of Bangladeshi martial prowess was as recently as December 2020 when the BGB Chief after joint conference with his BSF counterpart warned his own countrymen to avoid getting shot by the BSF inside their own territory.

Border killings can stop if people stop entering India: BGB chief

In a bid to stop border killings, Border Guard Bangladesh Director General, Major General Md Shafeenul Islam on Sunday called on residents of frontier areas not to trespass into Indian territory

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What the war game planners did not account for is a dwindling budget. India barely has enough resource to fight Pakistan and china. Then contain insurgencies? You crazy?
With their current economy, no way. Never.

Pakistan has less resources to fight India, and Bangladesh even lesser.
Pakistan is fighting a defensive war so it has no choice.
Bangladesh will be showing aggressive intent towards India by aligning itself with China or Pakistan or even blocking India's transit demands through its territory. Rejecting India's request will be enough for a full blown decapitating strike, though most likely India will opt for toppling an unfriendly regime in Bangladesh to its advantage. India won't even need to fight a war.
Economies don't dictate whether a country fights a war. Afghanistan has no economy, and Vietnam's economy is a tiny fraction of the USA . Yet these countries fought the most powerful economic power in the world.
No one is crazy. We are merely realistic.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Lets be realistic

I agree. But I want you to think. In 1971 most of these Arabs were still.

So when they met our Pakistani officials and visited Pakistani cities with their British era universities these guys were blown away in awe. This is when 1,000s of Pakistani technocrats were hired to run set up their airlines, armies, police forces etc etc

Fast forward 2020. With trillions of dollars spent and hiring or buying the best from America and Europe. Having dined, wined, bedded the best of the west they now look at Pakistani's as miskeen. Thus the arrogance. Thus the truth is coming out. Meaning when a snake can't bite you because it has no fangs does not mean it is a nice snake. I hope you understand.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Thinking BJP will win the state legislature in Bengal is a complete misreading of the Bengali Populace.....Durga Puja is more like Christmas for Hidu Bengalis..The religious part of the Puja doesnot dominate the mind of the populace..

 

[Jobless Jack]

India is unlikely to occupy Bangladesh unless it needs to secure transit links to support its war effort in Arunachal Pradesh. Most likely Bangladesh will surrender these on its own.



India's paramilitary strength is in excess of 300,000

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwjqa8_ubuAhVVYs0KHXj6AJsQFjAOegQILhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FParamilitary_forces_of_India&usg=AOvVaw2yRCMof-Zq7PW9S7btyv0l

It can control Bangladesh because there is no source of supply or support to a resistance. Bangladesh is essentially a huge prison .
Even Gaza is better off than Bangladesh because it has a limited access to a semi-friendly country Egypt on its border. Even though it is tightly controlled.



No, Beijing and Pakistan are far more realistic about the fighting prowess of Bangladesh's Armed Forces. The Bangladesh Armed Forces are perpetually living in the Indian piggybacked glory of 1971 .
The Bangladesh Armed Forces couldn't even secure their territory from the Shanti Bahini Chakma insurgents in the CHT and had to make humiliating concessions. Each time there was a naval stand off with Myanmar it was Bangladesh that backed down. In the few staredowns Bangladesh has had with India ( over enclaves and islands ) it has had to back down. The most humiliating display of Bangladeshi martial prowess was as recently as December 2020 when the BGB Chief after joint conference with his BSF counterpart warned his own countrymen to avoid getting shot by the BSF inside their own territory.

Border killings can stop if people stop entering India: BGB chief

In a bid to stop border killings, Border Guard Bangladesh Director General, Major General Md Shafeenul Islam on Sunday called on residents of frontier areas not to trespass into Indian territory

en.prothomalo.com

Pakistan has less resources to fight India, and Bangladesh even lesser.
Pakistan is fighting a defensive war so it has no choice.
Bangladesh will be showing aggressive intent towards India by aligning itself with China or Pakistan or even blocking India's transit demands through its territory. Rejecting India's request will be enough for a full blown decapitating strike, though most likely India will opt for toppling an unfriendly regime in Bangladesh to its advantage. India won't even need to fight a war.
Economies don't dictate whether a country fights a war. Afghanistan has no economy, and Vietnam's economy is a tiny fraction of the USA . Yet these countries fought the most powerful economic power in the world.
No one is crazy. We are merely realistic.

Its not about economies. Its resources. What you are saying is true if india was united. India today is not united and is facing various internal conflicts in various regions.

Its not about money. There is some much fighting materials you have to spare on so many fronts.

 

[leonblack08]

India doesn't like a two front war with China and Pakistan in the North.
Bangladesh is not a factor for India. India will handle Bangladesh to it's own advantage in any such war situation. In a Sino Indian or Sino-Pakistan Indian war Bangladesh can only support India or at best desperately try to be seen as "neutral".
Offering, or even appearing to offer any kind of diplomatic support to either Pakistan or China, will result in a crushing military response from India . Even neutrality will not be taken kindly by India, and India will demand, or take by force full road, rail, air and waterway transit across Bangladesh territory to support operations in Arunachal Pradesh.
It is far more likely that Bangladesh will offer these facilities on its own rather than risk an Indian military takeover.
For India, Bangladesh poses no risk to the "chickens neck" ( Siliguri corridor ). In case of an unforeseen collapse of the Indian front to China in that sector, India will swiftly invade Bangladesh to take over it's transit routes and facilities to support its operations in the east. This is exactly like Belgium's case in World War 2 when it's neutrality was meaningless in the face of Germany's military objectives.

Bangladesh's strategic and tactical situation is precarious. Bangladesh has a non-professional army with insufficient and outdated hardware riddled with corruption ( read Gen Hasan Sarwardy interview ).
At this time Bangladesh's Armed Forces have no capabilities of even protecting its citizens from wanton sniper fire by India's border guards.

The Bangladesh Armed Forces have no capabilities of protecting its own territory. The comments by PDF members here of Bangladesh taking over 7 Indian states by cutting the "chickens neck" are not realistic. Any such attempt will result in Indian retaliation that will cause severe or total destruction of Bangladesh's infrastructure.
Due to geography and the fact that Bangladesh is an enclave India doesn't need to put any boots on the ground or even commit its air force. Every bit of Bangladeshi territory is within range of Indian MRLS and its coastal access and ports is completely vulnerable to a Brahmos missile attack. India has allies within Bangladesh such as the Chakma insurgents. As a final punishment to Bangladesh India might carve out a "Chakmastan" from the Chittagong Hill Tracts and hand it over to the Chakmas.

If India turns on Bangladesh (in the course of a war) there is very little any foreign nation could do to help even if it wanted to. Unlike interventions in Syria or Afghanistan there is no big power vested interests in Bangladesh. Even China would be more concerned with taking Arunachal and defending Ladakh then bothering about Chittagong.

Indian war game planners have accounted for the scenario that in case
Bangladesh is annexed or even temporarily occupied there would be a partisan or gurilla resistance from remnants of the Bangladesh Armed Forces. This however would be handled by India far more easily than the situation faced by Pakistan in 1971.

India would not have the logistical disadvantages faced by Pakistan. The Indian occupation backed by India's 1 million paramilitary and reserve forces will outmatch Bangladesh numerically.( Example: West Bengals Eastern Frontier Rifles ( Bengali Speaking), supporting 26 battalions of the Bihar Regiment ( with many Bengali speaking assets) as well as the Bihar Military Police would be enough to secure Dhaka. India has huge Bengali language resources for its intelligence and population control which was unavailable to Pakistan in 1971.
The Bangladeshi resistance without shelter, protection and resupply from a friendly foreign base ( as in 1971) will quickly run out of resources. Bangladesh has no indigenous arms industry of any significance to support a people's resistance.
It is very likely that Myanmar ( looking over the shoulder at China ) will attempt a deal with India to annex the CHT.

What options does Bangladesh have ?
Obviously...
Keep marching in India's Republic Day parades, and hope that the BSF shoots less of its civilians each year.

While I agree with you that Bangladesh military does not have the capability to cut off and hold Indian territory for more than few hours, but the way you have suggested Indian forces will subdue 160 million people with such ease, makes me wonder if you are talking about Indian Military or Imperial Starfleet. Perhaps it gives you pleasure to glorify the mighty Indian military. I won't delve into reasoning, to each is their own.

Guess you haven't taken the decade-long guerilla warfare that is to follow into account, eh?

The fact that you think Bangladeshi resistance will die without resupply, goes to show your knowledge of the land. First of all, China will not allow India to gain a foothold in its backyard and do everything possible to make India suffer a war of attrition. Myanmar can do jack shit without China's green signal. Besides, land is not the only option that one can smuggle arms in with. Don't tell me India will monitor everything in Bay of Bengal, because that too will require the significant deployment of resources for an extensive period of time. And just to remind you again, we are talking about India, not the Imperial Starfleet.

In 1971, the country did not have a trained professional standing army. Hence there was a need to train and operate from a foreign base. But that is not the case today. Nor there is any dearth of military equipment. So your comparison is that of Apples and oranges. Any Indian misadventure will definitely result in their technical victory but at an extremely high cost, rendering it useless.

Oh and to add one more thing- there will be non-state actors jumping in from around the world, as soon as there is destabilization in the region. Yes, I mean the pseudo-religious ones. Probably a lot will come from Pakistan too. They will get their jihad and opportunity to spill into India. And India will get an added headache. So, no Indian PM in their right mind would want to create conflict and "annex" Bangladesh.

So what options Bangladesh have? Don't worry about it. We have tonnes.

 

[VikingRaider]

As per the fellow i was quoting, india has not only the power but means to split bd in 2

Well I am afraid that he is partly correct. India doesn't have the military power to annex Bangladesh, but , India has propaganda machine , and that can create serious chaos in Bangladesh.

I know my democracy cult lover compatriot won't agree with me . Some will give haha reaction , but that's the reality.

Trying to defaming military is one of the step of India to distabilize Bangladesh.

There are countless ways to divide and rule people's mind,and since India is the land of chanakya , so they are good at it.

So in order to catch raw moles ,we surely need surveillance equipment to catch spy , so I wish military will buy those surveillance equipments,if already didn't buy them!

Only fools underestimate enemies.

 

[VikingRaider]

i guess he is assuming if India brought their entire military to the Eastern front then they would conquer Bangladesh in 14 days

With direct military intervention India can't capture Bangladesh even with its full form I believe.

Bangladesh is defence heaven and India only can move it's troop though the western side ( partly though) of Bangladesh.

But if Bangladesh will be under attack , we just have to hold Dhaka at any cost and it shall not be very hard because of rivers and marshlands.

So at any cost we have to keep Dhaka and start guerrilla warfare to cause damage against Indian whole military.

It's the same guerilla tactics we used in 1971 our freedom war. (But don't take it otherwise , it's just an example and not for creating any argument.)

So an army that is completely alien to the land can't annex it , specially when people is too much hostile to them.

Now we have super quality professional military and huge civilian back up .

If military has the huge influence on civilians and civilians consider themselves the protector , then in a war time the civilians will act as assets under military command.

Unfortunately propaganda started in Bangladesh to harm the image of military.

That can back fire . And I am actually afraid of such Indian propaganda that can harm the acceptance of military along civilians.

Unfortunately our well educated folks are now showing concern based on a report of a news based on a foreign country who's aim is to distabilize Muslim countries.

The news source was banned in many Muslim countries.

If you say so , you are BAL stooge !

And this tagging is the real tool to harm Bangladesh, honestly speaking.

 

[VikingRaider]

No, Beijing and Pakistan are far more realistic about the fighting prowess of Bangladesh's Armed Forces. The Bangladesh Armed Forces are perpetually living in the Indian piggybacked glory of 1971 .

You are utterly wrong. Yes BAL and it's chamchas are perpetually living the Indian piggyback glory of brave Bengali theory , but military is completely different thing.

You must not forget that Bangladesh armed forces heritage came from Pakistan armed forces ,not from Indian armed forces.

And armed forces are totally different thing.
Don't bother what side army chief and some others are taking ; the main body is different thing.

Military strategy is no long like the battle of Plassey that army chief Mir Jafar ordered to stand army at ground ,while enemy defeat the king.

Nowadays communication system is not horse dependant like old days.

Now you can give message to other soldiers through modern technology.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India is unlikely to occupy Bangladesh unless it needs to secure transit links to support its war effort in Arunachal Pradesh. Most likely Bangladesh will surrender these on its own.



India's paramilitary strength is in excess of 300,000

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiwjqa8_ubuAhVVYs0KHXj6AJsQFjAOegQILhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FParamilitary_forces_of_India&usg=AOvVaw2yRCMof-Zq7PW9S7btyv0l

It can control Bangladesh because there is no source of supply or support to a resistance. Bangladesh is essentially a huge prison .
Even Gaza is better off than Bangladesh because it has a limited access to a semi-friendly country Egypt on its border. Even though it is tightly controlled.



No, Beijing and Pakistan are far more realistic about the fighting prowess of Bangladesh's Armed Forces. The Bangladesh Armed Forces are perpetually living in the Indian piggybacked glory of 1971 .
The Bangladesh Armed Forces couldn't even secure their territory from the Shanti Bahini Chakma insurgents in the CHT and had to make humiliating concessions. Each time there was a naval stand off with Myanmar it was Bangladesh that backed down. In the few staredowns Bangladesh has had with India ( over enclaves and islands ) it has had to back down. The most humiliating display of Bangladeshi martial prowess was as recently as December 2020 when the BGB Chief after joint conference with his BSF counterpart warned his own countrymen to avoid getting shot by the BSF inside their own territory.

Border killings can stop if people stop entering India: BGB chief

In a bid to stop border killings, Border Guard Bangladesh Director General, Major General Md Shafeenul Islam on Sunday called on residents of frontier areas not to trespass into Indian territory

en.prothomalo.com

Pakistan has less resources to fight India, and Bangladesh even lesser.
Pakistan is fighting a defensive war so it has no choice.
Bangladesh will be showing aggressive intent towards India by aligning itself with China or Pakistan or even blocking India's transit demands through its territory. Rejecting India's request will be enough for a full blown decapitating strike, though most likely India will opt for toppling an unfriendly regime in Bangladesh to its advantage. India won't even need to fight a war.
Economies don't dictate whether a country fights a war. Afghanistan has no economy, and Vietnam's economy is a tiny fraction of the USA . Yet these countries fought the most powerful economic power in the world.
No one is crazy. We are merely realistic.

Trust me, we have more than enough resources to fight india and deep down they know it. That is why despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the full backing of the West and Russia, sanghis/rss goons will not dare mess with us. They will only fight and kill their own minorities.

 

[Varunastra]

It's about time BJP comes to power in West Bengal, Didi has made it a shit hole of illegal immigration for vote bank which needs major rectification.

 

[Baibars_1260]

I agree. But I want you to think. In 1971 most of these Arabs were still.

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So when they met our Pakistani officials and visited Pakistani cities with their British era universities these guys were blown away in awe. This is when 1,000s of Pakistani technocrats were hired to run set up their airlines, armies, police forces etc etc

Fast forward 2020. With trillions of dollars spent and hiring or buying the best from America and Europe. Having dined, wined, bedded the best of the west they now look at Pakistani's as miskeen. Thus the arrogance. Thus the truth is coming out. Meaning when a snake can't bite you because it has no fangs does not mean it is a nice snake. I hope you understand.

Will still disagree with you. The antics of a few spoiled brats of Gulf Shiekhdoms doesn't represent the mindset of the majority of the Arab peoples towards Pakistan. A few rich Arab employers and human traffickers refer to expat labor as miskeen , more so Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans, and Indians, but there is a difference with Pakistanis.
I have worked on an assignment in KSA and there was a distinct difference in the way the employers and supervisors treated Pakistani labour ( who were mostly technicians or supervisory ) as compared to Bangladeshi, Indian, and Sri Lankan labor who mostly worked as unskilled construction labor. The Saudis give due respect where it is to their advantage.
There was an elite highly trained Indian technical and engineering manpower mostly in support roles on specialized equipment with excellent skills in hydraulics, pneumatics, and electrical controls, This was matched by talented Pakistani engineers in equal numbers and what is more I met Pakistani engineers directly employed by the Saudi Arned forces a privilege which at that time the Indians didn't enjoy.
This technical manpower enjoyed privileges far beyond the average Saudi Bedouin truck driver.

Here is an incident that reflects what the common Arab Bedouin thinks.
My work often took me off the main roads into the desert to remote industrial sites under construction. This meant using the vehicle fuel sparingly and in the absence of roads following vehicle tracks and maps There was no GPS in that era nor was there effective cell phone coverage. My bulky car phone CB radio only had a range of 40 km.
I had heard horror stories of engineers getting lost, running out of fuel and water, only to be found dead days later by search and rescue teams. So I began to follow the Bedouin truck drivers who knew the desert well having inherited the knowledge over generations . I would stop at their encampments for water or directions. Their hospitality was overwhelming, and one occasion they insisted I join them for the evening meal ( after prayers of course ). During the meal we got into a discussion about Pakistan and the last Indian Pakistan war. This was before 1998 when Pakistan had not declared it's nuclear status.
I was being very modest about my nations military capabilities praising Saudi Arabia's instead. One of the guests at the meal casually referred to India's numerical superiority over Pakistan. One other guest guffawed saying in typical harsh Gulf Arabic: " Anta majnoon. W
Dhilk maujood al Bambala al Bakistan..". Every one broke out laughing saying : "Mbala, ...Al Bambala maujood , Inshallah , maafi khatar ila al ikhwan al Bakistani .

This incident sums up what the average common Bedouin Arab thinks of Pakistan as a nation.

 

[VikingRaider]

It's about time BJP comes to power in West Bengal, Didi has made it a shit hole of illegal immigration for vote bank which needs major rectification.

Well at least in order to make you cure from dulusion, BJP should come to power in west Bengal.

If there is illegal trading , India is the beneficial not Bangladesh.

Now we are preventing cow smuggling , the result is our farmers ( who raise cattle ) are becoming beneficial and Indians losing benefits.

 

[Varunastra]

Well at least in order to make you cure from dulusion, BJP should come to power in west Bengal.

If there is illegal trading , India is the beneficial not Bangladesh.

Now we are preventing cow smuggling , the result is our farmers ( who raise cattle ) are becoming beneficial and Indians losing benefits.

Talking about illegal immigration here not smuggling, one just needs to take a walk in the streets of kolkata to see how the demographics are changing. Hindus are being slowly but surely killed in bd and now even our own West Bengal is not being spared.
The problem is Bangladeshis are Muslim first and nationality/Bengali identity comes second hence they take hindus as second class citizens, that's the threat even west Bengal faces now.

 

[VikingRaider]

Talking about illegal immigration here not smuggling, one just needs to take a walk in the streets of kolkata to see how the demographics are changing. Hindus are being slowly but surely killed in bd and now even our own West Bengal is not being spared.
The problem is Bangladeshis are Muslim first and nationality/Bengali identity comes second hence they take hindus as second class citizens, that's the threat even west Bengal faces now.

Bangladeshi Hindus are living a very happy life here .Doesn't matter how much propaganda you sanghis spread , they aren't going to migrate to India.

And about illegal Bangladeshi propaganda? I vowed not even to discuss about these dirty propaganda, period.