American Embassy School in Crisis after Khobragade Row

[Tshering22]

There is no quid pro quo.

The US is a technological powerhouse and there is nothing India provides that the US can't get elsewhere.

I agree. US is indeed a technological powerhouse. But even that has limits.

When the US sells advanced technology to India, it is doing India a favor. The US is not flogging substandard merchandise that it must discount to find buyers. It provides top of the line technology, and there are a dozen countries who would gladly pay top dollar for it. It is the US who decides to whom it will sell, pursuant to its national interests.

They are already paying top dollars for it in the middle east. That is not the concern. The first rule of business is that customer is the king when there are multiple suppliers. Honestly, it is a give and take like buying anything else. If they didnt' sell it to us, there was no dirth of other sellers either.

Again, US is a fifteen trillion dollar economy. It can substitute India's billions from a dozen countries around the world. The US doesn't need India. India needs US technology.

I think you need to understand the concept of business development. In order to induce the willingness to buy anything, even a multi-billion dollar firm like Samsung goes into rural villages of India to sell their phones.

Now make that concept a thousand times more critical by adding strategic elements, job creation, politics and international interests to it.

The game is pretty big.

These technologies are NOT open to all countries; only a select few.

I agree. But the reason US saw us in that light was because our interests coincide.

See, you need to understand; we are not getting these systems in handouts and free to pursue their economic interests. They are selling it to us and we are buying them with our money. It is a simple give and take deal like France-India, Korea-India, Israel-India etc relationship.

We are a stable country who has a strong democratic institution (though there could be some changes made to it but still), a mature government structure and a rational population that is aspiring to be a part of the global citizenry. That's why they opened up to us.

You need to see that everything is not a zero sum game. Even in cold war, it was not the case.

But opening good relations doesn't mean ignoring all problems

We all know the reality of what India is up to behind the diplomatic cover in Afghanistan, nor do we expect India to acknowledge it.

Our interest is to ensure an India-friendly government in Afghanistan. Now an India-friendly nation doesn't automatically mean anti-Pakistani.

That we leave upto you as to what you make of it.

There were several rounds of exemptions and not every country got exempted every time.

U.S. exempts India, not China, from Iran sanctions| Reuters

We have an oil issue. We have to import oil from whatever sources we get. Why? Because we produce only a third of what we actually need for domestic consumption.

Saudi can't fullfill are their needs because of their commitments which will shoot up oil prices needlessly.

Oil and gas has only started emerging in Vietnam with ONGC involved which means it will take some time to get a regular supply from there.

We import Russian oil but there is no robust regular structure which we expect to be complete by 2020.
So who will provide us? US?

That is the simple reason.

You must understand that US doesn't see us as an enemy.

It wants to mould our country into the way they themselves think but that is something we cannot agree.

Very much so.

It was the US which elevated India into the Asia-Pacific group of countries aligned against China. In particular, it was the US sponsorship of India which propelled it to a major role with Japan and Australia. India has had relations with these countries for decades, but the recent upsurge in strategic ties just happens to coincide with the US pivot to Asia?

Again, it is mutual interest. Define anti-China.

There is NO ALLIANCE in which we are there.

If tomorrow Japan and Australia join hands to invade China hypothetically, we are not obliged to join in. If US-Australia-Japan decide to 'settle this out' with China, we won't be taking either side. So how is it an alliance?

How is developing cordial wargames with other countries anti-China? Just because there are issues between China and Japan?

It is like saying US-India wargames are done to threaten Pakistan.

It has nothing to do with Pakistan. Just our own skill improvement and confidence building measures.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

There is no quid pro quo.

The US is a technological powerhouse and there is nothing India provides that the US can't get elsewhere.

When the US sells advanced technology to India, it is doing India a favor. The US is not flogging substandard merchandise that it must discount to find buyers. It provides top of the line technology, and there are a dozen countries who would gladly pay top dollar for it. It is the US who decides to whom it will sell, pursuant to its national interests.

GE , Adobe , Intel develops its technology in India. US very keen to sell its F-16 to India but India didn't interested unlike PAK which bought outdated second hand F-16. its shows what?

its not US which controls the things, In India which tell what i wants to buy and whome and which it need form US and not from US. US is not doing favour nor India asking US to give , It tell if US give its ok or else we can get from somewhere else or develop it. See US didn't sold rocket technology so India developed its own.

Again, US is a fifteen trillion dollar economy. It can substitute India's billions from a dozen countries around the world. The US doesn't need India. India needs US technology.

US has debt economy, if all USD from India , japan and china pumped in Market, US will crashed as US value will go down . Thats why india invested in Gold and not in USD as much as china and japan did.

India can't call US bluff anytime. We don't need US technology , India did well in Space , nuclear without US and its technology

These technologies are NOT open to all countries; only a select few.

india is few county which evey other country want to do business be it Japan , china , russia or EU.

We all know the reality of what India is up to behind the diplomatic cover in Afghanistan, nor do we expect India to acknowledge it.

No one can change the fantasy, until their i proof ?

There were several rounds of exemptions and not every country got exempted every time.

U.S. exempts India, not China, from Iran sanctions| Reuters

this shows India's clout

Very much so.

It was the US which elevated India into the Asia-Pacific group of countries aligned against China. In particular, it was the US sponsorship of India which propelled it to a major role with Japan and Australia. India has had relations with these countries for decades, but the recent upsurge in strategic ties just happens to coincide with the US pivot to Asia?

Not US , India flows and find its ways. recent Strategic only done by these countries either they will come in India good book or else they stand alone along with US in future.

Now you see how US is trying hard to meet new Indian PM which don't even bother to take call from US.

Again, I am very well aware of labor and visa laws around outsourcing. The issue isn't whether India provides cheaper alternatives. I don't want to get into that debate because it will burst some Indian bubbles, and also because it is irrelevant to the point I am making.

India do not provide cheap labour it provide brain labour.

The issue is violations of the law and whether the US government goes after violators. It goes after Chinese firms, but gives a free pass to Indian companies. I know any number of labor and visa laws that are regularly broken by Indian companies and Indians in the US, but prosecuting them is not a priority for the US.

it only shows India's clout now.

 

[Developereo]

@Tshering22 @Alfa-Fighter

Two points:

First of all, I am talking about high end defence technology not consumer items. For high-end defence tech, it is the seller who calls the shots.

Secondly, you guys are reinforcing my point that the primary consideration for the US is the shared political interests with India, not the dollars. Lots of countries have lots of dollars, but the US doesn't treat them as well as it treats India.

 

[JanjaWeed]

US screwed up the incident really good.so many years of goodwill ****ed in one incident.

Hence their trek loving ambassador was sacked. She made no effort to strengthen the relationship.. & never managed the crisis well. US learned their lesson hard way.. but it's too little & too late. It will take some effort from US to instill confidence in Indian political & diplomatic circle. Now that Modi is the PM of India...it's only going to get tougher for them!

 

[illusion8]

The credit to all this goes to Barara.

 

[JanjaWeed]

The credit to all this goes to Barara.

& US state department for assessing the situation wrongly before embarking in their adventure!

 

[nair]

& US state department for assessing the situation wrongly before embarking in their adventure!

Not really, they assessed it well... But MMS had other plans....

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

@Tshering22 @Alfa-Fighter

Two points:

First of all, I am talking about high end defence technology not consumer items. For high-end defence tech, it is the seller who calls the shots.

Secondly, you guys are reinforcing my point that the primary consideration for the US is the shared political interests with India, not the dollars. Lots of countries have lots of dollars, but the US doesn't treat them as well as it treats India.

A) high End like P-8I ant sub plane which india get without sign two us law i,e, communication and logistic and PC-orion
B) High end you will called anti tank missile which US offering.

In High end also India calling the shots , No one asked US to give us , US companies coming offering themselves. India said we need only high end and US along with EU will offering the same.

Well US only treats country which shows strength , which India showed the US by not blowing /bending to US . This is how get respect.

See you get FBI man with bullets in PAK you release him , but we got Police officer in india with bullets , case going as per indian law. see the difference... which country US respect? now?

 

[pakdefender]

correct heading should be as follows , no ?
American Embassy School in a hole after Khobragade Row

 

[JanjaWeed]

Not really, they assessed it well... But MMS had other plans....

MMS wasn't even in the picture when US embassy managed to sneak out the family of the maid out of the country. Crux of the matter was that report sent by Nancy Powell claiming there won't be any retaliation or repercussion by Indian government as everyone is busy preparing for elections. That was really a wrong assessment & was a major blunder... & she paid for it by losing her job. US did not expect the kind of retaliation they faced from India aftermath of such an incident!

 

[AugenBlick]

I really cant make out if you are hating on us on complimenting us?

A) high End like P-8I ant sub plane which india get without sign two us law i,e, communication and logistic and PC-orion
B) High end you will called anti tank missile which US offering.

In High end also India calling the shots , No one asked US to give us , US companies coming offering themselves. India said we need only high end and US along with EU will offering the same.

Well US only treats country which shows strength , which India showed the US by not blowing /bending to US . This is how get respect.

See you get FBI man with bullets in PAK you release him , but we got Police officer in india with bullets , case going as per indian law. see the difference... which country US respect? now?

 

[SrNair]

US create all this episodes because they dont get what they wanted.Be it MMRCA or nuclear deal things dont go well for US.Unlike MMS ,Modi is an all powerful PM.He become PM with India first slogan.
Counting on him is the grave mistake for US.

 

[Developereo]

Well US only treats country which shows strength , which India showed the US by not blowing /bending to US . This is how get respect.

See you get FBI man with bullets in PAK you release him , but we got Police officer in india with bullets , case going as per indian law. see the difference... which country US respect? now?

I agree with you.

 

[IND151]

American Embassy School in Crisis after Khobragade Row -The New Indian Express

NEW DELHI: The American Embassy School (AES) in New Delhi's plush diplomatic enclave is deep in crisis after nearly 40 teachers quit as a fallout of last year's India-US diplomatic row.
The staff is hoping that with a new Indian government in place, matters would mend soon.
The school, one of the most elitist and expensive in the capital, is in the throes of a crisis after 40 teachers quit since March this year and more than a dozen were forced to return to the US to renew their visas, knowledgeable sources said.
"Over 40 teachers have left since March this year," a source told IANS, not wishing to be named being not authorised to speak on these sensitive issues.
"While we do have teachers leaving regularly as their stay in India ends, this is unprecedented. We've never faced such a situation before," said the source.
"We are all hoping that with the Modi government coming in, things will now get better and the crisis in the school will be over," the source added.
The Obama administration is sending Nisha Desai Biswal, its point person for South and Central Asia, to India next week to hold talks with the new government on bilateral and regional issues. The upcoming Biswal visit has also led to hopes that the AES crisis would soon be a thing of the past.
The teachers were forced to leave as a result of India tightening the screws on visa and tax laws in a tit-for-tat measure in a fallout of the India-US diplomatic spat over the arrest and strip-search in New York of diplomat Devyani Khobragade on charges of visa fraud and underpaying her nanny last year.
Before the diplomatic row, spouses of many American diplomatic officials - as well as Indian diplomats - would join the AES faculty as teachers.
They would not mention in their visa that they were working at the school, thereby avoiding paying tax.
The spouses of many US teachers hired by the AES would also end up as teachers without mentioning it in their visas.
This wink-and-nod agreement that had been going on for decades came apart in the wake of the Khobragade affair when India insisted on being given the full details of the US employees at the school and the taxes filed.
Besides the 40 teachers who have left, around 15 teachers were forced to return to the US to renew their visas.
"Earlier, the visas would get renewed here. But since March, 15 teachers have had to go back to the US to get their visas stamped," the source added.
The school, which has a sprawling 13-acre campus adjacent to the US Embassy, has 1,450 students mainly from the diplomatic community as well as the children of corporate leaders. It has a swimming pool, tennis courts and soccer pitches besides vast athletic fields.
The school fees were raised by 24 percent this year. The fees are steep - ranging from $24,200 a year for Grade 5 (Elementary School) to $27,300 for Grade 8 (Middle School) to $28,700 for Grade 12 (Senior School).
"Things are definitely not like they were before. It has been very traumatic for the school," another source added.
"The school has a wonderful engaging atmosphere. Now there is a feeling of underlying stress," the source added.
Its staff strength is 180 presently. The school hires Americans to teach.
"They are internationally hired teachers, which means they are foreign nationals (not Indian)," added a source.
There are two-three Indian teachers who have been around for many years and teach specialised subjects.
The top administration staff is American while the support staff is Indian.
While the US staff get paid handsomely, the Indian staff, including the clerks, the drivers and others are paid "what they would get in any other good Indian firm".
"The salaries that Indians get at the school is not high. But what makes a difference is the working atmosphere. It is really a good place to work in. The weekend offs and the month-long vacation the staff are entitled to are also attractive," another source added.
Besides the school, the American community club has also been badly affected.
The embassy was told in January to shut all commercial activities being undertaken from inside the premises.
Several commercial activities are undertaken under the aegis of the American Community Support Association (ACSA). These include a restaurant/bar, video club, bowling alley, swimming pool, sports facility and field, beauty parlour and gym.
"The club has been badly hit. All the American Embassy School teachers would use the club. Now they are not allowed to do so," said a source.
Non-American diplomats are also barred from using the premises and the supply of cheap liquor is now a thing of the past, say diplomatic sources.
(Ranjana Narayan can be contacted at ranjana.n@ians.in)

So the row is clearly affecting the american embassy.

 

[wolfschanzze]

well what is confusing is your claim of wink and nod and making assumptions.

This is as plain speak as I can state- In the US, you have to pay US wages if the person is working under a US work visa. Plus you cannot work in the US period, without a US work visa . You may think the indian govt is winking and nodding till the cows come home.... but it does not apply so within our laws. not for India not for anyone...

Secondly, I quoted for you above where it says others indian diplomats in the past + diplomats from other countries were also criminally charged.... you may not like it, but it is a fact

Worker abuse by diplomats a problem, advocates say



slumdog--- you mention the case of a filipino maid hired by the US diplomat . there is one case I know of ....

US diplomat in Mumbai pays his Filipina maid less than $3 per hour - The Times of India

Slumdog eh? go fuc* yourself brown coconut american.Brown on outside,white on inside like preet bharara, No need to hear your sermons.

see bro... he is of few nris who live as slaves to their white masters....they are forbidden to speak against them under slave laws!!!
so chill!!

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U.S. Embassy officials in Nairobi rushed Joshua Walde and his family out of Kenya the next day, leaving the crash victims with no financial assistance to pay for a funeral and for hospital bills for the eight or so others who were seriously injured.

Amongst those killed was Haji Lukindo, who leaves behind his pregnant wife Latifah Naiman Mariki, 38, without a source of income to support her family.



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Read this to understand their hypocrisy, as usual this brown coconut will defend his white masters.