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American and Philippines demographic engineering against Moro Muslims

Why did the western world support independence for Southern Sudan or East Timor?

Then why did the world not support the independence of monaco from Italy and catalan form spain or Scotland from the UK??

lol............

EDIT ::11:54 am AEST my bad Monaco is actually independent form italy, ill informed on this...........

maybe Norfolk Island from Australia??
 
Then why did the world not support the independence of monaco from Italy and catalan form spain or Scotland from the UK??

lol............

Monaco is a separate country.

There is no need for the world to intervene since the UK itself is allowing Scotland to decide, in the same way that Canada allowed Quebec to decide.

As for Catalan, if the situation becomes violent, then world attention would be focused.

Various dominant countries support separatist movements, rarely because of differences in inherent merit, but more because of their own geopolitical agendas.

Southern Sudan, East Timor, Kosova, Croatia, Georgia...

P.S. I don't know that Norfolk Island is asking for independence from Australia. If they could make a case for massive discrimination, physical repression, and loss of local culture, then their case would merit world attention.
 
Monaco is a separate country.

There is no need for the world to intervene since the UK itself is allowing Scotland to decide, in the same way that Canada allowed Quebec to decide.

As for Catalan, if the situation becomes violent, then world attention would be focused.

Various dominant countries support separatist movements, rarely because of differences in inherent merit, but more because of their own geopolitical agendas.

Southern Sudan, East Timor, Kosova, Croatia, Georgia...

P.S. I don't know that Norfolk Island is asking for independence from Australia. If they could make a case for massive discrimination, physical repression, and loss of local culture, then their case would merit world attention.

didn't the highlighted part already answered your own question (Or the question was retorical to begin with......)

If Moro have been in more spotlight, the world will be accosted, however, they HAVE TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT FOR THE RIGHT REASON. do you think the current moro seperatist group is doing moro people any favor??

By the way, Monaco was independent from France via Franco-Monegasque Treaty and Norfolk island is kinda asking for independent. You do know you need to have and carry an Australia passport when you trvel to norfolk. And being an Australian Citizens DOES NOT give you the right to settle in Norfolk island.
 
lol i was referring during the WW2.

And you still fail to see the porblem. These kind of problem (Moro/Philippine, Uyghur/Chinese, Indonesian/Timorese, Israel/Palestine) happen a lots and it keep repeating over and over again. In any given day if secular environment is still exist in this world, the world can never steer clear of these kind of problem.

Is the problem of Uyghur and Chinese should be investigated? Or the Indonesian and Timorese? or the Israel and palestine? I don't know, but knowing the core of the subject would not help, i would much rather know how to deal with secular soceity, that way you get better chance of peace.

China has not flooded the Uyghur's homeland in the Tarim Basin with millions of Han migrants. In fact, China's prescence there has helped the Uyghurs expand their own population to other areas. Before Chinese rule (Dzungharia) northern Xinjiang was majority Dzunghar. After China took over Uyghur and Han migrants both flooded Dzungharia since the Dzunghar Mongols were all nearly wiped out in the war. There Uyghurs living in northern Xinjiang because China united Dzungharia and the Tarim Basin and allowed for migration.

The Dzunghars number only in the thousands now. The majority of Han in Xinjiang are living in Dzungharia on their former land and not the Uyghur's land.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ur-demographics-han-immigration-xinjiang.html

China has managed to maintain political control of the Tarim Basin without swamping it with Han settlers.

America signed the Bates treaty promising not to interfere in the internal affairs or infringe on the autonomy of the Moros and then violated it. It then dumped tons of Christians from Visayas and Luzon onto Mindanao and passed on the land and settlement policies to the independent Philippine government. Since the Bates Treaty was violated the inclusion of Mindanao and Sulu in the Philippines is questionable.

The Chagatai Khan of Kumul (descended from the Chagatai Khans who ruled the entire Tarim Basin) voluntarily joined China for protection against the Dzunghars. The Chagatais were the traditional monarchs and leaders of the ancestors of the Uyghurs. The Dzunghars attacked the Chagatai and the Uyghurs so China declared war on the Dzunghars and Dzungharia. It was a pro Soviet warlord governor who abolished the Khanate, not the government of China.

Kumul Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

East Timor was flooded with Indonesian settlers but now its an independent country so I don't know why you brought that up.

As for Israel/Palestine I think you know most people's opinion on this forum already.

problem with studing history is, you need to know what is enough.

What he is saying is actually happening all over the world throught out history

American annexed Hawai'i with the help of Britain
Germany annexed Austria/Poland with the help of Russia
Australia annexed Christmas island from singapore with the help of British
Japan Annexed Okinawa with the help of America

I can go on and on.

The problem is not we need to know what those stuff has been thru, rather we learn how it happen either
1.) prevent them from happen in the future (Like WW2)
2.) Take it as our own advantage and use it on us.

Eitherway, there are no point discussing how unjust annexation of some random part of the land from any part of the world. Why he have to raise the issue with Philippine and Moros? Should he been raising the issue of Puerto Rico and US or Senkaku which is mroe related to him and his status? Or should we all should just randomly dish out historical facts and discuss the heck about it without regarding how it related to us actually?

We are the student of history, but you cannot just randomly study them.

Taiwan happens to have a massive dispute with the Philippines over the Spratly islands in case you didn't notice. Hokkien people from southern Fujian, Taiwan and Singapore have links to the Philippines where many Hokkien settled. Those Chinese who mixed and traded with the Moros were Hokkien.

China moves millions of migrant workers every year from inland provinces to coastal cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai. It has the capability to swamp the Tarim Basin and Tibet with migrant workers but has avoided doing so. This is why the Uyghurs are the majority in their homeland in the Tarim Basin and Tibetans are the majority in Tibet. The western regions of China are sparsely populated and the entire Uyghur and Tibetan populations are a fraction of the population lf an ordinary Chinese province. Yet those regions (Tarim Basin and Tibet) are still majority Uyghur and Tibetan.

China exempts Uyghurs and Tibetans from one child policy so their population only grows.

The Philippines has been swamping the Moros and Lumas in Mindanao with millions of Christian Visayan and Luzon immigrants

The Philippines a higher fertility rate that of Indonesia, Malaysia, and Thailand. Family planning was taught to everyone in Indonesia and used by everyone including Muslims, but in the Philippines all forms of birth control are blocked by the Church.

Indonesia: A Family Planning Model for the Philippines? | Inquirer Opinion

Absence of effective birth control adversely affects Philippine poor | Asia Pacific | ABC Radio Australia

Asia Sentinel - Philippine Supreme Court Delays Birth Control Law

Philippines contraception bill angers church - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Resisting Birth Control, the Philippines Grows Crowded - NYTimes.com
 
Perhaps the Phillipines need a blasphemy law....deny Christ....burnt at the stake.
 
Perhaps the Phillipines need a blasphemy law....deny Christ....burnt at the stake.

Amen!


That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

-Romans 10:9-10
 
This whole grain poster is the most pro Arab/Islam and anti Asian poster I have ever seen. If it were up to him he would have all of East Asia convert to Islam.

There are not many Taiwanese who leave their 1st world country anyway. I call bull.

And you think we love Filipinos huh? We have massive problems with the Philippines. First the Hong Kong Bus massacre, then Filipino coastguard committing murder against an ROC citizen, and Philippines dispute with us over the Spratly islands. And the Chinese in Philippines don't get along well with Filipinos because of Filipino racism. I'm not talking about assimilated Chinese mestizos but the unmixed ethnic Chinese who live there.

When was the last time a Moro ever attacked us? We have had long term friendly relations both on the state and personal level with the Moros and helped them against their enemies.

Many people here share my opinions like Lux de Veritas.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/260145-china-cozying-up-dalai-6.html#post4484085

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...p-camps-hoists-flag-bhutan-7.html#post4460763
 
didn't the highlighted part already answered your own question (Or the question was retorical to begin with......)

It was a statement, not a question. And the statement stands.

Global support for various minority movements has less to do with inherent merit, and more to do with the geopolitical aims of the dominant powers.

The history of the Moro conflict is worth studying; not because we expect the global community to suddenly support their rights, but simply to understand the context.

We have similar threads about Kashmir, Baluchistan, Palestine, Tibet, Xinjiang, Sri Lanka, etc.
 
Filipino Muslims are not strong any more
MILF agreement is not working through anymore there is so many differences

if China ever take on Mindanao i am sure or soemthing like MORO MNLF will take side of China to get freedom or Independent
 
If you want to skip the ancient history part, go down to where is says EXPLANATION ON DEMOGRAPHIC SWAMPING STARTS HERE

To clarify the situation with Muslims in the Philippines, I will first explain how the Philippines came about as a country and a national identity. The Philippines as a political unit and identity was created by Spanish colonialism. The Spanish named the islands after their King Philip II. Before the Spanish there was no unity. The Filipino people themselves are made out of various ethnic groups, the majority of them Catholic Christians because of Spanish colonialism.

Ethnic groups in the Philippines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Spanish also implemented a racist hirearchy in Filipino society like they did in Latin America. Spanish and Spanish mestizos were at the top of the hirearchy above the natives.

The Philippines consisted of various Muslim, Hindu, or animist Sultanates, Kingdoms and chiefdoms before the Spanish conquest. The Muslim Sultanates like Sulu were allied to Ming dynasty China and China temporarily appointed a governor over Luzon Island during the Yongle era.

The Muslims were just Moros whose homeland is in the southern Philippines, but the northern Kingdom of Maynila right where the present capital of the Philippines is was ruled by the Muslim Rajah Sulayman, a relative of the Brunei Sultans. The Spanish defeated Rajah Sulayman and forced the Muslims and animists in the northern Philippines to convert to Catholicism.

Kingdom of Maynila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rajah Sulayman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Castille War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rajah Sulyaman had granted Chinese merchants a tract of land on which to settle in Maynila.

The Cambridge History of China - Google Books

When the Chinese heard about the Spanish invasion a Chinese pirate named Limahong attempted to expel the Spanish invaders but failed.

After the Spanish asserted control over the northern Philippines (Luzon and the Visayas) they attempted to wage war against the Moro Sultanates in Mindanao and Sulu for over 300 years but failed to conquer them. The Sultanates were Sulu and Maguindanao and various breakaway sultanates and datus.

A Local Church Living for Dialogue: Muslim-Christian Relations in Mindanao ... - William Larousse - Google Books

THE MORO WARS

Chapter III - The Moro-Spanish War

Philippine History Module-based Learning I' 2002 Ed. - Ongsotto, Et Al - Google Books

The people who fought and rebelled against the Spanish the most were Chinese and Muslim Moros.

The Spanish Governor of the Philippines Gómez Pérez Dasmariñas was assasinated by Chinese while in office. His son, another Governor of the Philippines, Luis Pérez Dasmariñas was killed and beheaded along with all his Spanish troops by Chinese rebels in 1603. The Chinese rebels defeated the first Spanish attack to round them up and hoisted the Spaniards heads over Manila after killing all of Dasmariñas's men, but they were outnumbered by another attack of Filipino and Japanese setllers who were serving the Spanish and who crushed the rebellion.

While the Spanish committed massacres against ethnic Chinese in 1603, 1663 and other times in Manila and forced them to live in a ghetto and pay higher taxes, the Moros never did. The Moro Sultan even allowed a Chinese temple to be built in their capital. The most the Moro Sultan ever worried about was a Chinese monopoly on trade and his reaction was not to massacre the Chinese but just to import other foreign merchants for conpetition. In 1663 Chinese Ming loyalists under Koxinga threatened the Spanish with war which forced them to withdraw their forces in Zamboanga which were fighting against the Moros.

Chinese merchants supplied the Moros with rifles and gunpowder to wage war against the Spanish invaders.

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books

The Sulu Zone, 1768-1898: The Dynamics of External Trade, Slavery, and ... - James Francis Warren - Google Books


When the Spanish launched raids on the Moro capital of Jolo they burned both the Chinese quarter, the Sultan's palace and the mosque.

p. 14


In 1758 4,000 Chinese joined the Moros on Jolo to fight against Spain.

United States Congressional serial set - Google Books

The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803: explorations - James Alexander Robertson - Google Books



Some Chinese have intermarried with the Moros. Most of the Chinese who had helped and married the Moros are Hokkien from Fujian.

Migration, Indigenization and Interaction: Chinese Overseas and Globalization - Google Books

The Spanish were always defeated until nearly the end of their rule in the Philippines. Only then did they managed to make Sulu and the other Moro states agree to become Spanish protectorates and not even integral parts of the Philippines.

The Filipinos started to revolt against Spanish rule under the leadership of Chinese mestizos. The major heroes who started and fought in the 1896 independence revolution in the Philippines against Spain were all Chinese mestizos. The Philipinne nationalist José Rizal was of Chinese descent through the patrilineal line, and Emilio Aguinaldo and Andrés Bonifacio were also both Chinese mestizos

After America defeated Spain in the Spanish American war, then the conflict with America and the Philippines government started.

The Moros fought against the Spanish, the Americans, the Japanese and then waged an insurgency against the Philippines government.

EXPLANATION ON DEMOGRAPHIC SWAMPING STARTS HERE


Moro Muslims were a majority a century ago in their homeland of Mindanao. They used to rule the entire island and the Sulu archipelago as well through various Sultanates like Maguindanao and Sulu

Dut to the policies of the American colonial administration and the subsequent Philippines government, the Moro Muslims now make up a minority. The American and the Philippines government encouraged massive immigration of Christian ethnic groups like Visayans into Mindanao in order to displace Moro Muslims from their land.

There are 22 million people currently on Mindanao today. Only 20%% of that are Moro Muslims. Just 20%, while they were previously a majority. The Maguindanao Sultanate used to extend across the entire island.

Islam and the Politics of Identity, UHM Center for Philippine Studies

Contested territory - Territorially, Mindanao is a contested region because many Muslims believe that this is their traditional homeland. They were a majority group in Mindanao and Sulu before the colonial period, but were reduced to a marginalized, demographic minority after 1960. Now they constitute only about 20% of Mindanao population, although they are predominant in five provinces under the jurisdiction of the Autonomous Region for Muslim Mindanao (ARMM).
The American administration was not even supposed to have jurisdiction over the internal affairs Moro Sultanates. The Bates Treaty signed by the Moros with the Americans guaranteed that and was supposed to leave the Sultanates intact with self governance.

Immediately after the Philippines American war was finished against the Filipino rebels in the Nortth, the Americans violated the Bates treaty with no provocation from the Moros and waged war against the Moros in the Moro Rebellion to incorporate them into the Philippines. They used brutal methods like tortures and massacres and committed many atrocities during the war.

Moro Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Americans began the process of shipping Christian Visayans onto Mindanao and displacing the Moros. They and the Philippines government have done it today and have been so succesful as you can see from the current demographic figures of the Philippines.
Based on the premise that Filipinos got Catholicism from Spain, it is absolutely wrong to assume that in the 21st century the two countries, Philippines and Spain, can still be compared as to each nation's faith statistics.From the 16th century to the 19th century, the Philippines was practically annexed to Spain with the full colonization of all the controlled territories and islands except for the ethnic tribes in Mindanao and distant places that the Spanish authorities do not find any need to place a contingent of the Spanish Army.

But, two centuries had passed after Spain turned over our country to the Americans, that is long history of rapid changes in preferences in faith (religion) as Protestantism was introduced by the Americans and the freedom to choose one's faith was protected under our Constitution after Spain left. Other religions (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) and non-religions (agnostics, atheists, paranormal practitioners, self-righteous mumbo-jumbo freaks included) are tolerated in our country, all in the name of democracy. As to comparing Catholics to Muslims in the Philippines, there is no indirect or direct relationships as to the degree or intensity of faith. I don't know why less than 5% of the nation's population of Islamic faith is being persistently compared to the majority of Filipinos of the Catholic faith. Not even the Catholic Church and many Filipino Catholics ever consider the Philippines a "Catholic" country.

It is simply not inherent in the Filipino character to label his or her country based on religion. Filipinos would like to be identified simply as Filipinos who are peace-loving and independent-minded individuals...I just hope our Muslim minority brothers will prove that Islam (their religion) is a peace loving religion and also challenge them to prove or show to the world that they are peace loving people.

Right now, the main Moro rebel outfit is engaged in negotiations with the Philippines government over an agreement that will only give them a small amount of autonomy in a small strip of their former homeland of Mindanao called the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao. And the majority of the land and resources goes to non Moros.

See how small it is compared to the entire island.


Not a word has been published in the western media about the demographic engineering and swamping against the Moros. Thats because when America and its Allies do something bad, its always okay to the west.
Actually ARMM area is just a few armed Muslim terrorist creating havoc and a small clan fighting each other. The Moros are not used to obeying central government even before the coming of the Spanish and Americans. In fact, the Sultan of Sulu had no direct control over the Muslim villages in the Mindanao area. Each Datu is a sovereign in his own village. The only authority that a Moro will respect is force not by reason. Countless of peace initiatives and peace agreements have been brokered and made with these Islamic militants and nothing has improved. You cut a deal with one and then another group will take over to continue fighting…their leaders talk about peace but their followers does not agree and understand PEACE.
 
Based on the premise that Filipinos got Catholicism from Spain, it is absolutely wrong to assume that in the 21st century the two countries, Philippines and Spain, can still be compared as to each nation's faith statistics.

From the 16th century to the 19th century, the Philippines was practically annexed to Spain with the full colonization of all the controlled territories and islands except for the ethnic tribes in Mindanao and distant places that the Spanish authorities do not find any need to place a contingent of the Spanish Army. But, two centuries had passed after Spain turned over our country to the Americans, that is long history of rapid changes in preferences in faith (religion) as Protestantism was introduced by the Americans and the freedom to choose one's faith was protected under our Constitution after Spain left. Other religions (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) and non-religions (agnostics, atheists, paranormal practitioners, self-righteous mumbo-jumbo freaks included) are tolerated in our country, all in the name of democracy. As to comparing Catholics to Muslims in the Philippines, there is no indirect or direct relationships as to the degree or intensity of faith. I don't know why less than 5% of the nation's population of Islamic faith is being persistently compared to the majority of Filipinos of the Catholic faith. Not even the Catholic Church and many Filipino Catholics ever consider the Philippines a "Catholic" country.

It is simply not inherent in the Filipino character to label his or her country based on religion. Filipinos would like to be identified simply as Filipinos who are peace-loving and independent-minded individuals...I just hope our Muslim minority brothers will prove that Islam (their religion) is a peace loving religion and also challenge them to prove or show to the world that they are peace loving people.


Actually ARMM area is just a few armed Muslim terrorist creating havoc and a small clan fighting each other. The Moros are not used to obeying central government even before the coming of the Spanish and Americans. In fact, the Sultan of Sulu had no direct control over the Muslim villages in the Mindanao area. Each Datu is a sovereign in his own village. The only authority that a Moro will respect is force not by reason. Countless of peace initiatives and peace agreements have been brokered and made with these Islamic militants and nothing has improved. You cut a deal with one and then another group will take over to continue fighting…their leaders talk about peace but their followers does not agree and understand PEACE.

Your explanation about religion is bunk because religion is tied to certain ethnic groups in the Philippines. The Moro ethnic groups like the Tausugs, in addition to following Islam have their own language and culture. The Visayan and Luzonian Christians are from entirely different ethnic groups.

Mindanao is supposed to be home to only the Moros and Lumads.

luzonians are supposed to live in Luzon and Visayans are supposed to live in the Visayas.

The Philippines has not only changed the demographics in regards to religion, it has also changed the ethnic demographics as well. The Visayans and Luzonians aren't supposed to be in Mindanao. If the Philippines had not flooded Mindanao with Visayans and Luzonians then this wouldn't have happened.

The terms of the Bates Treaty was clear and the Americans violated it, and it was on the basis of this violation that the Moro lands were incorporated into the Philippines.
 
Your explanation about religion is bunk because religion is tied to certain ethnic groups in the Philippines. The Moro ethnic groups like the Tausugs, in addition to following Islam have their own language and culture. The Visayan and Luzonian Christians are from entirely different ethnic groups.

Mindanao is supposed to be home to only the Moros and Lumads.

luzonians are supposed to live in Luzon and Visayans are supposed to live in the Visayas.

The Philippines has not only changed the demographics in regards to religion, it has also changed the ethnic demographics as well. The Visayans and Luzonians aren't supposed to be in Mindanao. If the Philippines had not flooded Mindanao with Visayans and Luzonians then this wouldn't have happened.

The terms of the Bates Treaty was clear and the Americans violated it, and it was on the basis of this violation that the Moro lands were incorporated into the Philippines.
Well you Chinese have screwed up the original indigenous natives of Taiwan brought and imposed a monstrous culture of subservient to the people of the soil.

Anyway do you really think the early settlers of the archipelago now called the Philippines were already Muslims even before the arrival of Karim ul-Makhdum in 1380? The ancestors of the Filipino Muslims of today were animist lumads or natives who prayed to anitos or spirits before the Islamization of the region now called Muslim Mindanao. Filipino historians and anthropologists should really come out and speak up, so the myth that Mindanao belongs to the Muslims can be corrected. Had Makhdum not arrvied, we would not have this Muslim Mindanao conflict. Tausugs, Yakans, Bajaos, Maranaos, and Maguindanaos would have been just another indigenous or ethnic groups in Mindanao like the non-Muslim Bagobos, Mandayas, and Mansakas of the Davao region
 
Well you Chinese have screwed up the original indigenous natives of Taiwan brought and imposed a monstrous culture of subservient to the people of the soil.

Anyway do you really think the early settlers of the archipelago now called the Philippines were already Muslims even before the arrival of Karim ul-Makhdum in 1380? The ancestors of the Filipino Muslims of today were animist lumads or natives who prayed to anitos or spirits before the Islamization of the region now called Muslim Mindanao. Filipino historians and anthropologists should really come out and speak up, so the myth that Mindanao belongs to the Muslims can be corrected. Had Makhdum not arrvied, we would not have this Muslim Mindanao conflict. Tausugs, Yakans, Bajaos, Maranaos, and Maguindanaos would have been just another indigenous or ethnic groups in Mindanao like the non-Muslim Bagobos, Mandayas, and Mansakas of the Davao region

If Spain and Catholicism did not arrive we would not have this conflict and the Philippines would be Muslim and Animist.

And no matter what religion they follow the Moro ethnicities would be different from the Visayan and Luzonian ethnic groups, and Luzonians and Visayans would be foreigners to Mindanao.

The animist Igorot in Luzon violently resisted Spanish attempts to conquer and Christianize them.

Islam also wasn't just confined to the south. Rajah Sulayman ruled the Kingdom of Maynila in Luzon and he was a Muslim. And anyway Islam came gradually and in the process accumulated syncretism, picking up elements from animist religions. Thats why practices like offering to spirits were practiced among the Moros and even the Americans noticed that the Moros didn't completely follow Islam properly.

That does not change the fact that the Muslim Moro people and the Animist Lumads are the natives of Mindanao and that they have both been swamped by Luzonian and Visayan Christians. The articles I posted from the MNLF website made it clear that the Muslim Moros and Animist Lumads are natives and others are foreigners.

And it does not change the fact that the Moros were incorporated into the Philippines because of a treaty that was unilaterally torn up not by the Moros but by America.

The Muslim Moros legally owned the land until Bates treaty was terminated by America.
 
Again this just other hate thread because the Imperials are not getting what they want from rest of our islands to the majority of our natural resources they even have the nerved to ask as for a fishing agreement

And you think we love Filipinos huh? We have massive problems with the Philippines. First the Hong Kong Bus massacre, then Filipino coastguard committing murder against an ROC citizen, and Philippines dispute with us over the Spratly islands. And the Chinese in Philippines don't get along well with Filipinos because of Filipino racism. I'm not talking about assimilated Chinese mestizos but the unmixed ethnic Chinese who live there.

When was the last time a Moro ever attacked us? We have had long term friendly relations both on the state and personal level with the Moros and helped them against their enemies.

Many people here share my opinions like Lux de Veritas.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-far-east/260145-china-cozying-up-dalai-6.html#post4484085

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...p-camps-hoists-flag-bhutan-7.html#post4460763

We we have problems with you too stealing our resources abused of innocent filipinos human trafficking drug trafficking interfering of internal affairs by giving weapons to maoist rebels and stealing filipino territory face it its not only us you have disputes with all of your neighboring countries tell me who is evil here? :omghaha:
 

Irrelevant post! It looks like you are trying to take shots at Islam.If you are then this ain't the place for you pamela gellar.

Enough is enough. It's time for a cruise missile strike on Manila to free the Moros from their evil occupiers the Pinoys.

Cruise missile only :cry:
 
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