American and Philippines demographic engineering against Moro Muslims

[Mugwop]

Two Nation Theory is applied everywhere. Muslims will never live in peace with non-Muslims..

Really?? You know all muslims around the world?

 

[Wholegrain]

Again this just other hate thread because the Imperials are not getting what they want from rest of our islands to the majority of our natural resources they even have the nerved to ask as for a fishing agreement



We we have problems with you too stealing our resources abused of innocent filipinos human trafficking drug trafficking interfering of internal affairs by giving weapons to maoist rebels and stealing filipino territory face it its not only us you have disputes with all of your neighboring countries tell me who is evil here?

You have disputes with all of your neighboring countries over the Spratly Islands and Sabah in Malaysia.

 

[Wholegrain]

America has offered the Philippines direct military support and training against Moro insurgents and their support is still continuing today since 2001. 1,200 American military personnel from SOCPAC are involved in "Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines"

Operation Enduring Freedom

Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines

PRISM 3, no. 3: Operation Enduring Freedom?Philippines: Civilian Harm and the Indirect Approach

 

[Zero_wing]

You have disputes with all of your neighboring countries over the Spratly Islands and Sabah in Malaysia.

Hahahaha nice one but who has military bases there and tell which logic did you use your @$$ hostile to everybody nice keep it up

 

[Wholegrain]

Hahahaha nice one but who has military bases there and tell which logic did you use your @$$ hostile to everybody nice keep it up

Although the majority of the northern Kingdoms in Luzon were animist, they were becoming gradually Islamicized. Rajah Sulyaman of the Kingdom of Maynila was a Muslim and a relative of the Brunei royals and although the Tagalog people did not know Islam well it was being spread until the Spanish conquered it and forced everyone to convert to Catholicism.

Flipinos are the only non-Muslim austronesian, southeast asian people who practice circumcision (Tuli). Other non muslim austronesians in Indonesia don't do it. It was introduced probably by Muslims before the Spanish conquest.

The Spanish imposed their (King's) name on you, their religion, surnames, customs, and the Americans came and did the same, and you are perpetuating their colonially imposed identity on Mindanao without the Spanish even needing to be present.

 

[Zero_wing]

Wow nice one kinda explain why the tribes of both southern and northern Luzon are not Islamic and the people of the Kingdom of Manila eat pork which unclean in islam?

This what we filipinos called nagmamarunong na walang alam google that!

 

[Wholegrain]

Wow nice one kinda explain why the tribes of both southern and northern Luzon are not Islamic and the people of the Kingdom of Manila eat pork which unclean in islam?

This what we filipinos called nagmamarunong na walang alam google that!

Although the majority of the northern Kingdoms in Luzon were animist, they were becoming gradually Islamicized. Rajah Sulyaman of the Kingdom of Maynila was a Muslim and a relative of the Brunei royals and although the Tagalog people did not know Islam well it was being spread until the Spanish conquered it and forced everyone to convert to Catholicism.

Flipinos are the only non-Muslim austronesian, southeast asian people who practice circumcision (Tuli). Other non muslim austronesians in Indonesia don't do it. It was introduced probably by Muslims before the Spanish conquest.

The Spanish imposed their (King's) name on you, their religion, surnames, customs, and the Americans came and did the same, and you are perpetuating their colonially imposed identity on Mindanao without the Spanish even needing to be present.

Mindanao and the Moros were gradually Islamicized. Sometimes they did not abandon their pre Islamic customs like offering to spirits and some of the American invaders noted that the Moros were not as familiar with Islam as middle eastern Muslims.

If the Spanish did not conquer and forcefully convert you Luzonian Tagalog people to Catholicism you would have been Muslim like the Moros. Your King Rajah Sulayman was a Muslim and Islam was just being inttroduced to Luzon by the Bruneians.

It happened in Indonesia too where some people still do offerings to spirits.

Syncretism in Indonesia - Where Islam Mixes with Old Rituals - 2005 - Society - Qantara.de

Merapi volcano's 'spirit keeper' walks line between tradition and technology | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Zero_wing]

You did answer the question? See lair lair pants on fire again if you think people will fall in the b.s you have for facts and logic then your in for a rude awakening your so full of $hit

 

[Wholegrain]

You did answer the question? See lair lair pants on fire again if you think people will fall in the b.s you have for facts and logic then your in for a rude awakening your so full of $hit

Rajah Sulayman must be a figment of my immagination.

Struggle for Freedom' 2008 Ed. - Cecilio D. Duka - Google Books

A Local Church Living for Dialogue: Muslim-Christian Relations in Mindanao ... - William Larousse - Google Books

The Muslim South and Beyond - Samuel K. Tan - Google Books

Islam in Southeast Asia: Political, Social and Strategic Challenges for the ... - Google Books

Rajah Soliman, Last Muslim King of Manila | Leaders | Famous Filipinos

Rajah Sulayman - Manila, Philippines - Statues of Historic Figures on Waymarking.com

Rajah Sulayman, Spain and the transformation of the Islamic Manila / Julkipli M. Wadi | National Library of Australia

 

[p3avi8tor69]

Why argue with zero wing. Just look at his post in the thread, no facts just insults.

BTW, the great migration of Christians (encouraged by free lands) that eventually displaced the Pinoy muslims and turned them into a minority was during the Marcos regime in the late 60's and early 70's. It was during this time that the muslims went ballistic when they realized what was happening. Fast forward 40 years later, they are still struggling amid the pervasive poverty and endemic corruption that ails the Pinoy society.

 

[Wholegrain]

Actually ARMM area is just a few armed Muslim terrorist creating havoc and a small clan fighting each other. The Moros are not used to obeying central government even before the coming of the Spanish and Americans. In fact, the Sultan of Sulu had no direct control over the Muslim villages in the Mindanao area. Each Datu is a sovereign in his own village. The only authority that a Moro will respect is force not by reason. Countless of peace initiatives and peace agreements have been brokered and made with these Islamic militants and nothing has improved. You cut a deal with one and then another group will take over to continue fighting…their leaders talk about peace but their followers does not agree and understand PEACE.

The state of Moro human rights under Aquino III: Continuing poverty, injustice and impunity,* Western Mindanao State UIniversity, July* 12,* 2012

Not only the Moros, but the Lumads are also victims of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

stop militarizatikon of lumad communities

And why is this also going on?

NPA rebels assault military post in Southern Philippines - The Mindanao Examiner

3 suspected NPA fighters arrested in Palawan

We we have problems with you too stealing our resources abused of innocent filipinos human trafficking drug trafficking interfering of internal affairs by giving weapons to maoist rebels and stealing filipino territory face it its not only us you have disputes with all of your neighboring countries tell me who is evil here?

'Over 10,000 Pinoys lost jobs in Taiwan' | Pinoy Worldwide, Special Reports, Home | philstar.com

 

[Zero_wing]

Wow typical invader trying to justify himself what wrong no more undisputed evidence to show? you did not answer my question you said the Luzon was Islamic why is then that both northern and southern Luzon were not Islamic and why is it that since ancient times filipinos eat pork? even in manila? again nagmamarunong ka lang!

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Your not a lose to us in fact you people both you and your commie B@sterd are drain and problem causing in the philippines majority of the troublemakers here are chinese immigrants from human trafficking to drugs to smuggling a troublemakers to all

 

[Wholegrain]

I provided sources for Rajah Sulayman and Kingdom of Maynila being Muslim and Zero Wing keeps insulting.

Rajah Sulayman must be a figment of my immagination.

Struggle for Freedom' 2008 Ed. - Cecilio D. Duka - Google Books

A Local Church Living for Dialogue: Muslim-Christian Relations in Mindanao ... - William Larousse - Google Books

The Muslim South and Beyond - Samuel K. Tan - Google Books

Islam in Southeast Asia: Political, Social and Strategic Challenges for the ... - Google Books

Rajah Soliman, Last Muslim King of Manila | Leaders | Famous Filipinos

Rajah Sulayman - Manila, Philippines - Statues of Historic Figures on Waymarking.com

Rajah Sulayman, Spain and the transformation of the Islamic Manila / Julkipli M. Wadi | National Library of Australia

 

[Zero_wing]

Again it why is the rest of the philippines especially northern and southern Luzon is non Muslim? and fyi your just chekwa troll no brain with limited understanding of life

 

[Bienvenido]

If Spain and Catholicism did not arrive we would not have this conflict and the Philippines would be Muslim and Animist.

And no matter what religion they follow the Moro ethnicities would be different from the Visayan and Luzonian ethnic groups, and Luzonians and Visayans would be foreigners to Mindanao.

The animist Igorot in Luzon violently resisted Spanish attempts to conquer and Christianize them.

Islam also wasn't just confined to the south. Rajah Sulayman ruled the Kingdom of Maynila in Luzon and he was a Muslim. And anyway Islam came gradually and in the process accumulated syncretism, picking up elements from animist religions. Thats why practices like offering to spirits were practiced among the Moros and even the Americans noticed that the Moros didn't completely follow Islam properly.

That does not change the fact that the Muslim Moro people and the Animist Lumads are the natives of Mindanao and that they have both been swamped by Luzonian and Visayan Christians. The articles I posted from the MNLF website made it clear that the Muslim Moros and Animist Lumads are natives and others are foreigners.

And it does not change the fact that the Moros were incorporated into the Philippines because of a treaty that was unilaterally torn up not by the Moros but by America.

The Muslim Moros legally owned the land until Bates treaty was terminated by America.

Well if Chinese didn't exist there's no problem in the world today. Your just a desperate one trying to vent your frustration on the Americans and Filipinos even to those countries that are against your greedy fellow. If historical evidence are considered, the final verdict may end up UN awarding Formosa (now Taiwan) to the Philippines. But who are the original inhabitants of Taiwan? It was the Austronesian people, and they are the same people as the inhabitants of Batanes, Philippines and not of your kind.

Delineations in determining one's ethnicity is varying depending on the political, social and cultural contexts that govern such identity. For the case of the Philippines which is very multiethnic PLUS with hairsplitting political and historical complications (or should we say fabrication), religion and languages are strong determinants. You can be Tagalog as long as you primarily speak the language or be any of the Christianized lowland indigenous peoples (Visayan, Bikol, Ilokano) as long as you are Christianized notwithstanding if Catholic or not. However, due to historical complications, you can TECHNICALLY (take note of this as it's less likely to happen) take claim as a, let's say, Cebuano-Visayan or Hiligaynon/Ilonggo-Visayan even if you are a Muslim just because your parents, or your, most vivid memory of your heritage or lineage is being able to speak of such. But then, pure Visayans have long been considered Christianized or root from Hindu-Buddhist precolonial identity as always delineated from the Muslims. It is only recent history that a sizeable number of Muslims can speak these Visayan languages but then probably just as a second language, therefore, the linguistic aspect is also a weak basis.

All in all, it's a matter of self-identification given that we all are from one genetic pool, without very salient differences in physical characteristics (probably with slight nuances on impressions with complexion, nose structure per region but these haven't been genetically supported unless someone conducts further study on this facet)