"America is the best, it's number one in the world"

[gambit]

Umm....sir, what's that got to do with anything? We are discussing civil airliners. I am discussing in terms of in-flight product, American airliners are on the bottom. Not that it necessarily reflects a country.

For example Ethiopia currently got the best African airline, but Ethiopia is still one of the world's poorest countries.

So my argument is even today, despite China being classed as semi-developed, many things about them are better.

Such as better airlines, better urban planning etc. Of course America still got a better quality of life, on average.

If you believe that providing in-flight services make a country better at aviation than creating airplanes, your delusions...

Chinese ability to use diplomacy and compromise is better than USA's.

Why is this not enough to keep Pakistanis at home? Are you so pathetic that you have to ride on China's coattails to feel good about your country?

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

If you believe that providing in-flight services make a country better at aviation than creating airplanes, your delusions...


Why is this not enough to keep Pakistanis at home? Are you so pathetic that you have to ride on China's coattails to feel good about your country?

No wonder why USA really has no allies. Because USA uses their allies and then ditches them.

And then you cry why are your countries in Middle East and Asia, Anti-American?

China is an ally and friend of Pakistan. China has helped Pakistan A LOT.

What has USA done for Pakistan?

By the way there are many Pakistanis studying in China nowadays.

Regards.

If you believe that providing in-flight services make a country better at aviation than creating airplanes, your delusions...


Why is this not enough to keep Pakistanis at home? Are you so pathetic that you have to ride on China's coattails to feel good about your country?

And who said we are riding on China? China is a country which has helped Pakistan, therefore we see China favourably.

Which country can you claim thinks highly of USA, other than...Oh..whoops...I...Guessed...it....Israel?

 

[gambit]

And who said we are riding on China? China is a country which has helped Pakistan, therefore we see China favourably.

Yeah...China got you on a leash.

 

[ThunderCat]

This is a silly argument. The 'If' is absurd in the face of reality. People leave not because of speculation if where they are going it the same as where they are, but that where they want to go is better than where they are. Do you really think you can convince Pakistanis to stay home based upon that 'If'?

I welcome Pakistanis to the US, pal. I worked with a few Iranians and Pakistanis. Their smarts contributes to the greatness of the US, not Pakistan. Your loss. Our gain.

You're misunderstanding me. I never claimed Pakistan is "better" than USA on average. I just claimed there are FEW things that are better.

I am not claiming the reality is so is because of IF.

So to clarify, America outclasses Pakistan in science, technology, education, economy, healthcare etc.

But there are a few things here or there that we can agree might be better. That's what i'm claiming. Urban design is one of them.

Also Pakistan is not as bureaucratic as America. Besides this is not the 1950s/60s/70s. In those decades we can argue that Pakistan can compare to America & Canada.

But we aren't living in those days anymore. And yeah I know Pakistanis contribute to healthcare, labor, education and others in America.

The only gain for us is one less headcount in our overpopulated country. And maybe some sending money back home.

But I don't renounce my claim that America is heading in the same direction as Pakistan with rising population.

Pakistan had a good head start in the first few decades of independence, but overpopulation ruined it.

It's another factor America can learn from Pakistan.

Pakistan in the meantime is heading to becoming another ***hole like Bangladesh, thanks to increasing population density.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yeah...China got you on a leash.

I disagree with you. Just because developing countries see China favourably does not mean we are China's slave.

China has done more for Pakistan than USA has. USA sanctioned Pakistan, when Pakistan got nuclear weapons with the Pressler Amendment.

China has never done that. China has helped build Pakistan and improve Pakistan's economy.

What has USA done, other than betray Pakistan, when Pakistan needed USA's support.

Even in 1971, USA did not help Pakistan as much as it could. Thats not how real allies behave.

Hence it is better to side with China than with the treacherous and dishonest USA.

Sorry, for the insult, but it is the truth.

Thats why China is better when it comes to their foreign policy.

Regards.

 

[ThunderCat]

If you believe that providing in-flight services make a country better at aviation than creating airplanes, your delusions...

That's different man. We all know America wins there. I wasn't arguing that.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yeah...China got you on a leash.

Just because Pakistan prefers to side with China over USA, than not mean we are on China's leash.

 

[gambit]

And yeah I know Pakistanis contribute to healthcare, labor, education and others in America.

More than you US haters understand. What you and your pals do not understand is the POWER of the people behind the idea that the US is an immigrant country. It does not mean the US will not have problems. But in the long run, the minds of immigrants will sustain our 'Top Dog' status for longer than you expect.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yeah...China got you on a leash.

I know you are jealous of Pakistan's alliance with China.

And I know you are jealous of China's economic rise. Soon China will be the world's largest economy in Nominal GDP.

 

[ThunderCat]

More than you US haters understand. What you and your pals do not understand is the POWER of the people behind the idea that the US is an immigrant country. It does not mean the US will not have problems. But in the long run, the minds of immigrants will sustain our 'Top Dog' status for longer than you expect.

Me a US hater? No. I am not pro-American but I am not 100% anti-American. As our discussion shows, I don't see things in absolutes.

Sure there are times America does the right thing and times they do horrific things. It all depends.

Things are not so one or the other. So not I am not an "American hater." Although I would not build a country in imitation of America.

Too much guns, too much bureaucracy, too much urban congestion. Clearly we can see America is heading to the wrong path.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Me a US hater? No. I am not pro-American but I am not 100% anti-American. As our discussion shows, I don't see things in absolutes.

Sure there are times America does the right thing and times they do horrific things. It all depends.

Things are not so one or the other. So not I am not an "American hater." Although I would not build a country in imitation of America.

Too much guns, too much bureaucracy, too much urban congestion. Clearly we can see America is heading to the wrong path.

Exactly, there are good things about USA. But there things USA does horribly wrong.

But I do prefer China over USA. Sorry, but China is not dishonest like USA is.

 

[Sanwal!!]

Hi,

The Biden's are more fearful than the " JFK, Nixon, Lincoln, Reagan ".

Plus those 4 never had so much power at their disposal as this one has---.

Sir, You are missing my point. This is a MAD situation and at the end there is no winner.

 

[Menthol]

USA bankers is the number one in the world.

But at least in the words of 'USA bankers', there's USA.

 

[Fish]

You can live the very best life in the US as long as you work for it.

Yeah. As long as you're willing to compete with an enormous influx of immigrants from Mexico alone, let alone Indian, Bangali, Cheeni, and **** imports, heh!

More often than not, you'll end-up running a local gas station or a convenience store, doing double 8 hours shifts and eating noodles day and night to eek your way through life.

Speaking of guns, you may want to avoid the U.S healthcare system like the plague. A major injury or sickness is a big no-no, unless you feel like paying your medical bills for the rest of your life.

Same goes to education - unless you're smart enough to get a scholarship.

Personally, Canada is a far better option. Not nearly as many guns, cheap/free healthcare, and kids aren't shooting up their schools on a weekly basis.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Yeah. As long as you're willing to compete with an enormous influx of immigrants from Mexico alone, let alone Indian, Bangali, Cheeni, and **** imports, heh!

More often than not, you'll end-up running a local gas station or a convenience store, doing double 8 hours shifts and eating noodles day and night to eek your way through life.

Speaking of guns, you may want to avoid the U.S healthcare system like the plague. A major injury or sickness is a big no-no, unless you feel like paying your medical bills for the rest of your life.

Same goes to education - unless you're smart enough to get a scholarship.

Personally, Canada is a far better option. Not nearly as many guns, cheap/free healthcare, and kids aren't shooting up their schools on a weekly basis.

My fiancé came to this country, learned English, put herself through university , worked day and night for it, and now earns $100K+ a year with a great job. If she can do it, any immigrant can do it. She wasn’t given any helping hand, she did it all herself.

You peddle excuses because you don’t want to work hard enough for your American dream.

You don’t want to work at a gas station any longer? Save money and go to school. Work harder