Aman Ka Tamasha

[Krptonite]

We have preferential measures for all friendly nations of the world and we aim for self reliance. We host people from across the Muslim world be it Bangladesh, Sudan or Afghanistan. Pakistan is also working closely with China to help her with connectivity in her underdeveloped eastern region.

India is a non factor in our policy to alleviate human condition in the region. We propose balkanisation of India to effectively counter poverty in the region.

Of course, it is GoPs right to choose her relations and set forth in a direction that she feels best serves her interests.

Economic considerations can be also be termed as geographic considerations.

While China may also represent a viable and attractive option, geography tends to play spoil sport.

1. The elevation increases as you go north along the trade links between China and Pakistan. This increases fuel and logistic cost. Plus the weather plays as a inhabitant to trade. An all weather road or link just could not economically sustain tranfer of goods at a volume your ships can.

2. ~90% of Chinas population centres are at their east coast, far from your shared borders. You could start by capturing Chinas western population market but it is not comparable to her eastern one in purchasing power and would saturate very quickly.

3. Rail links and land trade cannot hope to match the volume that is available by sea trade at the same cost. What exporter would pay multiples to do the same task.

4. Trade with countries an ocean away is still doing trade with a far off country, that involves additional costs like freight, insurance, time delays due to custom clearance, added costs that make your products uncompetitive. It also leaves your vulnerable to international financial bodies as they can dictate your credit status and indurectly your insurance costs.

You can observe a common point in all current strong economies, All of them can face a cost when acting in their self interests because they have optimised regional trade that acts as an economic cushion for their actions. Nation states can act when they have the wherewithal to do so, rest just becoms bluster.

For a Pakistani exporter, to graduate to a national corporation and then a global one how would you suggest one overcome this hurdle as in global competition you need to gain market share and cost is king.

 

[migflug]

I think the main reason the Pakistan will not trade with India:

• Indian goods will flood Pakistani market, as almost every thing they produce, India too produces at lower cost(due to economy of scale).
• Army & Political parties AFAIK has lot of stake in the market/economy, so overwhelming Indian import will hamper their profit.
• Political/Psychological reasons(Kashmir)

 

[El Sidd]

Of course, it is GoPs right to choose her relations and set forth in a direction that she feels best serves her interests.

Economic considerations can be also be termed as geographic considerations.

While China may also represent a viable and attractive option, geography tends to play spoil sport.

1. The elevation increases as you go north along the trade links between China and Pakistan.

2. ~90% of Chinas population centres are at their east coast, far from your shared borders.

3. Rail links and land trade cannot hope to match the volume that is available by sea trade.

For a Pakistani exporter, to graduate to a national corporation and then a global one how would you suggest one overcome this hurdle as in global competition you need to gain market share and cost is king.

Pak-China endeavours defy geography. The Karakoram highway is a testament to the resolve shared by China and Pakistan.

We have designs to link the land route to our sea faring merchants plying trade in the Arabian gulf and beyond in Africa.

As I said our prime goal is self sufficiency not trade hegemony. America can milk the terror mata to her liking. We don't need to exploit you for amusement nor necessity.

 

[Eskander]

Yup.

Noticed that too.

I must STOP buying mirrors.


That's why you earn more!

Got it.


A crushing proof!

You needn't have gone to so much trouble.

You could just have pointed us at your posts.



Oh, don't take it so badly. Relax.

You were supposed to examine the conditions pre-partition. It's not wrong to suggest the present regions of Pakistan became the storehouse of superior genes and greater genetic variation. Why ? Pakistani land was constantly invaded by foreigners ( from Central Asians to Arabs to Persians to Aryans ) who were not only physically superior to local Dravidians, but more intelligent as well.

That said, imagine thinking the cognitive development and intellectual potency of a nation can be reduced to material conditions ( we earn more than you ). I'm not surprised by your reasoning. We are currently living in the age of Kali Yuga where "Becoming" is prioritized over "Being" , "action" over "contemplation", "body" over "soul".

Remember, the Rig Veda and Upanishads were written by my ancestors in ancient Pakistan. We are the people of Indus Valley civilization

 

[El Sidd]

imagine thinking the cognitive development and intellectual potency of

Every week news and commentary from India and Bangladesh absolutely slaps the disfigured faces of people and politicians who vouch for friendlier terms with Indian and Bangladeshis. The mind numbing retards who threaten Pakistan with 1971 for petty ceremonial posts like PM or CM. These are the true traitors to the country.

 

[Krptonite]

Pak-China endeavours defy geography. The Karakoram highway is a testament to the resolve shared by China and Pakistan.

We have designs to link the land route to our sea faring merchants plying trade in the Arabian gulf and beyond in Africa.

1. Do trucks and rails climbing heights of the Himalayan ranges themselves not consume resources at a significant rate as compared to their counterparts operating in the plains.

2. If 100 people are living in western china and a 10000 in eastern, what would the economic profit be for a Pakistani exporter looking to grow from producing 100 units of a product to 1000.

As I said our prime goal is self sufficiency

How are you going to be self sufficient?

If a seller from bangladesh can look to grow by exporting to all available markets, that business entity could grow faster and eventually push out its competitors. How would you suggest a Pakistani exporter with limited market share compete and do the same.

 

[Eskander]

Yup. Noticed that. Don't like bragging about it, though.

But do you seriously think Pakistanis and Indians even belong to the same species, let alone the same race

Only 3-5% of Indians can pass as Pakistanis

Do you ever wonder why Bollywood is dominated by Pathans and Punjabis ?

 

[M. Sarmad]

I hate India and Indians and everything your country represents against my people,my country, its like asking jews to suck upto nazis - it wont fly

please stop wasting our time with such threads

India has the largest population of any country in the world and is also one of the most diverse, with a wide range of ethnicities and religions (including Islam) represented. Making a sweeping and indiscriminate generalization that all Indians are inherently detestable is an unwise approach. It is important to recognize that the concept of Hindutva, which may presently constitute the predominant political ideology in India, is distinct from the populace of India as a whole and that the people of India remain a diverse and multifaceted community, representing a wide array of perspectives, beliefs, and backgrounds.

As for you bringing up the German-Jew example, that's actually a self-defeating argument. Today, Germany is Israel's largest trade partner in Europe (second only to the United States globally) despite their tumultuous past. In fact, this argument may suggest the opposite, as the example of Germany and Israel highlights the potential benefits of bilateral trade between nations with a complicated history. Therefore, it could be argued that India and Pakistan should establish bilateral trade to promote economic interdependence and potentially build more positive relations.

 

[-=virus=-]

Of course, it is GoPs right to choose her relations and set forth in a direction that she feels best serves her interests.

Economic considerations can be also be termed as geographic considerations.

While China may also represent a viable and attractive option, geography tends to play spoil sport.

1. The elevation increases as you go north along the trade links between China and Pakistan. This increases fuel and logistic cost. Plus the weather plays as a inhabitant to trade. An all weather road or link just could not economically sustain tranfer of goods at a volume your ships can.

2. ~90% of Chinas population centres are at their east coast, far from your shared borders. You could start by capturing Chinas western population market but it is not comparable to her eastern one in purchasing power and would saturate very quickly.

3. Rail links and land trade cannot hope to match the volume that is available by sea trade at the same cost. What exporter would pay multiples to do the same task.

4. Trade with countries an ocean away is still doing trade with a far off country, that involves additional costs like freight, insurance, time delays due to custom clearance, added costs that make your products uncompetitive. It also leaves your vulnerable to international financial bodies as they can dictate your credit status and indurectly your insurance costs.

You can observe a common point in all current strong economies, All of them can face a cost when acting in their self interests because they have optimised regional trade that acts as an economic cushion for their actions. Nation states can act when they have the wherewithal to do so, rest just becoms bluster.

For a Pakistani exporter, to graduate to a national corporation and then a global one how would you suggest one overcome this hurdle as in global competition you need to gain market share and cost is king.

don't waste your energy on Diogenes here

he'll just piss on your shoes some more

he may even fart in your face

 

[Krptonite]

Aise Aise

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You know the irony?

Pakistan used to import around 7.8% of her tea needs from indian sources.

There's a probable chance you guys served Indian tea to an Indian.

Puri ghar wali feeling di tumne

 

[Olympus81]

I believe there needs to be some level of trade that needs to be kicked off between India and Pakistan. Both countries can levy certain duty, taxes on imports and exports.

Not to the level of most preferred nation or show boating through Aman Ki Aasha which opens avenues to political rhetoric and extremist target either side of the border.

Textile, engineering products, jewelry, cattle, minerals, agricultural products can be a good start.

Currently all you see is kheps doing the rounds of India-UAE-Pakistan back and forth. Pathetic to say the least.

 

[villageidiot]

A question, towards my fellow Pakistanis.

The position of suspending trade until J&K issue is resolved, is it not an extreme position to take?

Taking China and India’s relationship as an example.

Yes but, sadly, there's not much we can do. And we had to make some kind of statement after the revocation of Kashmiri statehood., merely sending the ambassador back isn't enough.

 

[Mentee]

The Rashidun and Ummayad Caliphate did enagage in offensive warfare.

Ummayads were savages who happens to be slaughtering and plundering their own and others under the banner of Al-Islam. Now where does The Quran allows offensive warfare or some priest just made up an offensive narrative out of the blue and conditioned the masses to loot for the royalty? Sounds modi to me .

 

[Eskander]

Ummayads were savages who happens to be slaughtering and plundering their own and others under the banner of Al-Islam. Now where does The Quran allows offensive warfare or some priest just made up an offensive narrative out of the blue and conditioned the masses to loot for the royalty? Sounds modi to me .

Ummayads were incredibly based. It's normal to persecute those who want you to take away your political power. That's just how it was back in the days.

I like how you ignored the Rashidun Caliphate. Offensive warfare was sanctioned by none other than Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar Farooq (ra), two of the greatest companions. The Ummayads simply carried on the imperialistic project.

After the Ridda wars, the Rashidun Caliphate decided to use the Arab warriors that had gathered under Islam against Sassanid and Byzantine Empire

The idea that Islam doesn't allow offensive warfare is the greatest lie ever told.

Notice this Salafi Sheikh says it's only not allowed when you don't have sufficient power. If you are powerful, offensive Jihad is permissible

Insha Allah, we will do this to India one day

 

[Mentee]

A question, towards my fellow Pakistanis.

The position of suspending trade until J&K issue is resolved, is it not an extreme position to take?

Taking China and India’s relationship as an example.

Indo-Pak people are literate jaahil to the core . There is so much potential to uplift the standard of living on both sides but their tinny little egos coupled with superstitious mumbo jumbo always end up sabotaging the obvious .


Get rid of this seemingly eternal damnation by creating an independent state of kashmir under u.n military watch coz controlling an inch of Kashmiri territory by either side gonna keeping giving the other panic attacks.