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Alleged "Terror boat" Sunk by Indian Coast Guard | Fact or Fiction?

Well if they are our fishermen, then you started it, then you will also have to live with the consequences.

"Pakistan Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam denied that any boat from Keti Bunder port of the country’s Sindh province had sailed off.

Sources in the foreign office termed the Indian claim as mere propaganda to tarnish the image of Pakistan, the report added."
 
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"Pakistan Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam denied that any boat from Keti Bunder port of the country’s Sindh province had sailed off.

Sources in the foreign office termed the Indian claim as mere propaganda to tarnish the image of Pakistan, the report added."

Will be repaid with the same coin, come what may.
 
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do I sense some insecurity over the issue??

Well yes, Indians displaying it full blown. Presenting tangents and excuses for what is clearly a massive screwup.
 
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The entire lie was built up to cover up a heavy handed action. We ARENT even sure if it was a smuggler. This is murder without trial in the Indian ocean.
@Oscar As of now everyone is still saying that they put the boat on fire and was not blown away by Navy, so how come this be murder? I know that there are some doubts about if they were terrorist, but I do not understand why anyone will put the boat on fire.
 
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Please tell us from your immense experience at sea about the prevailing Sea state, Wind force and swell that you have gauged from looking at two dark pics taken at night time, where the final confrontation took place ?.

I dont need the pictures, the weather report being fudged up is clear enough indication that a lot was amiss. Why do I sense a desperation to rebuff this news item?
And thanks for the pictures, at least now we know that there was no explosion but a fire that started(supposedly by the smugglers.. who knows whether it was because of a round fired by the Indian Coast guard)..
 
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@Oscar As of now everyone is still saying that they put the boat on fire and was not blown away by Navy, so how come this be murder? I know that there are some doubts about if they were terrorist, but I do not understand why anyone will put the boat on fire.

Claiming is the operative word. What, if any survival instinct based creature that is the human being will put their boat on fire and jump into waters all the way in the middle of the sea. Who does that seriously?

It is likely that this is a case of a boat ending up in navigational error in Indian waters, trying to run away to avoid the usual jail time(which ruins years of their lives) and the Indian Navy/Coast Guard catching up to them and firing on them in a trigger happy mode.

Cheap and habitual liars - Indian media, govt and it's people!
Now now, lets not go down to their level of generalization.
 
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Highly-placed government sources, however, said the intelligence had no link to terrorism, and made no reference to any threat to India.
No official release or Indian official actually made any reference to terrorism at all- this was all the Indian Media's imagination.

BUT, it was a rather logical thing to suggest (not as a definitive analysis) given events of the past. It is fair to expect India and its media to be rather touchy on this subject- Pakistan+boats+explosions/explosives/illicit activity.

noting that it did not involve any threat to national security. However, the Coast Guard scrambled at least one interceptor from Porbandar, which was seen leaving dock by local fishermen late on the night of New Year’s Eve.
What is this writer getting at? He is aware the Coast Guard's job is not purely counter terrorism and that counter-smuggling and halting all illegal activities inside Indian waters is part of their mandate.

He's almost saying the ICG was wrong to launch for this, most strange....

A senior Gujarat Police official said that the Coast Guard did not share the information with the state police which also has interceptor boats and coastal police stations meant to interdict coastal trafficking.
Well this is utter BS, the marine police only have jurisdiction out to 10-12 miles from the Indian shore. They have no jurisdiction let alone capacity to intercept vessels 350 KM from the Indian coast. Why did they need to be informed when the ICG was in the process of dealing with the threat?

So essentially, what I was saying is right all along.. a trigger happy Indian coast guard killed a bunch of smugglers
A) we don't know what happened out on the sea calling anyone "trigger happy" is without basis
B) the Indian Coast Guard arrests hundreds of illegal fishermen and smugglers a year shoot first is hardly their SOP, so what was different about this situation? Something happened on the seas in this event that lead to the destruction of that ship and this has still not been properly addressed yet not even by this lame article.

and rather dismal response.

How so? Intercepting a phone call in Karachi, getting eyes-on a single trawler 100s of KM from the Indian shore and directing a ICG patrol vessel to the spot 350 KM from the Indian shore is a MAJOR success. Whatever way you cut it these fellows were up to no good and the ICG and NRTO did a fine job. There are questions that need answering sure but that doesn't detract from this incredible operation. Few navies let alone coast guards have this kind of capability and it surely shows how far India has come on the coastal security front post-26/11.

The ICG and NRTO have rightly been commended for this stellar operation.

One needs to separate the official GoI releases/position from that of the Indian media. Nothing this article has said has contradicted what the GoI/MoD/ICG have said.

your cost guards/ Navy chased/ killed some people and blamed Pakistan which doesnt seem to be the case now and you think its Moot?
Well sir, the intercepts happened and the communication originated in Pakistan, unless you are disputing these intercepts.
 
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Well, on a side note but relevant on topic. I definitely feel that terrorism emitting from Pakistan from India has been significantly reduced. I am not sure about the reasons but I feel that Pakistan has made some efforts on this front. However I see that Indians are more hyper about terrorism now than they were when the incidents were way higher. I feel that there might be a need in change in attitude from our side. I see some changes from Pakistani side and it might be too soon to acknowledge by government, but at least we should do it on forum.
 
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Doubts mount over India’s claims of destroying ‘terror boat’ from Pakistan | The Indian Express

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An aerial view of the fishing boat carrying explosives before being intercepted by Indian Coast Guard approximately 365 km off Porbander in Gujarat, on Wednesday. The boat eventually drowned after being set on fire by crew members. (Source: PTI Photo)
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Posted: January 2, 2015 10:00 pm | Updated: January 3, 2015 1:40 pm

Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters, new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers, ferrying bootleg cargo from the port of Gwadar to other fishing boats which were to have carried it into Karachi’s Keti Bandar harbour.

There is also a suggestion of use of disproportionate force since the fishing boat did not have an engine capable of outrunning Indian interceptors.

In a press release, the Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.

Highly-placed government sources, however, said the intelligence had no link to terrorism, and made no reference to any threat to India. Instead, the sources said, the National Technical Research Organisation had intercepted mobile phone traffic involving small-time smugglers operating out of the fishing port of Keti Bandar, near Karachi.

The report, the sources said, was issued directly to the Coast Guard and Navy by a mid-level NTRO official in violation of systems which mandate that any possible threat must be shared with all relevant services, including the Intelligence Bureau, the Research and Analysis Wing, and the Border Security Force. Naval headquarters, the sources said, chose not to deploy ships in response to the intelligence, noting that it did not involve any threat to national security. However, the Coast Guard scrambled at least one interceptor from Porbandar, which was seen leaving dock by local fishermen late on the night of New Year’s Eve. A senior Gujarat Police official said that the Coast Guard did not share the information with the state police which also has interceptor boats and coastal police stations meant to interdict coastal trafficking. Maharashtra Police officials also said they were given no information on a maritime operation underway on December 31, and expressed surprise since the state has several landing points and jetties that could be used by a boat carrying explosives to India’s western seaboard. “You don’t need to be a genius to figure out we should have been told,” the official said, “because if the fishing boat was actually carrying explosives and managed to evade patrols on the seas, we should have been in position waiting for it.”

In its press release, the Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships. Photographs released to media showed only fire damage to the ship’s hull, which would have blown apart had incendiary munitions, such as grenades or ammunition, been on board. Plastic explosive does not ordinarily explode in fires, and only chemical analysis can detect if it was on board. Ministry sources said the Coast Guard has not retrieved debris from the area for forensic analysis. The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period. Six years after 26/11: Broken bomb scanner, rusting bikes, no firing range Local fishermen said they had not seen the fire on December 31— raising the prospect that the incident may have occurred in international waters, some distance from the thousands of Indian and Pakistani fishing boats in the area. “I’ve been talking to our people in the area”, said Narsibhai Jungi Jadeja, the head of the Porbandar fishing boat owners’ association, “and everyone insists they didn’t see a thing. That surprises me, because a fire at night would be visible many nautical miles away”. “I just hope the government clears up the mystery over this, because if any Pakistani fishermen have been killed, the Pakistan navy will take vengeance on us,” he said. Saeed Baloch, the head of the Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum, said he was investigating the identity of the destroyed boat, but had no immediate details. “Hundreds of people go out to sea every day, and it is impossible for us to keep track of all of them. I just hope some poor people trying to make a living have not been killed,” he said





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So essentially, what I was saying is right all along.. a trigger happy Indian coast guard killed a bunch of smugglers(or perhaps even just poor fishermen) and then cooked up this massive lie to cover their heavy handed and rather dismal response.

A lie has very small legs

- The video shows no such "dangerous" sea conditions
- The weather was not that bad so that no one could be recovered( Did the Indian Coast Guard LET people die in the sea??..watch as they screamed for help or worse gun them down??)
- No "explosives" other than bad quality diesel( bought cheap from Gwadar perhaps)

Was all of this concocted lie a cover up for what is essentially murder at sea?

@Xeric @araz @niaz @Irfan Baloch @Donatello @Horus
Indian Establishment were trying to create drama but miserably failed.
 
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Claiming is the operative word. What, if any survival instinct based creature that is the human being will put their boat on fire and jump into waters all the way in the middle of the sea. Who does that seriously?

It is likely that this is a case of a boat ending up in navigational error in Indian waters, trying to run away to avoid the usual jail time(which ruins years of their lives) and the Indian Navy/Coast Guard catching up to them and firing on them in a trigger happy mode.


Now now, lets not go down to their level of generalization.
Honestly @Oscar I feel that could be one of the possibility. If that is the case it is very sad, think about the lives lost, maybe a risk associated with smuggling. I kind of feel that when coast guard got close, the fear of explosives on the boat might have forced them to attack. However if they attacked the boat would have been completely destroyed right. What is baffling to me is what could have caused the fire. Is there a type of explosive that can do it.
 
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Im sorry, are you saying there is a problem with a Pakistani forum posting a story that rubbishes a claim made by the Indian government that was make a fake accusation on a new 26/11?
Sir this is categorically false. The Indian government NEVER uttered the word terorrism or brought tin 26/11, this ws the Indian Media's spin entirely.


The MoD's official statement:


An intelligence based midnight operation was conducted on the intervening night of Dec 31 and yesterday by the Indian Coast Guard ships and aircraft to intercept a suspect fishing boat in Arabian Sea near Indo-Pak maritime boundary, approximately 365 km from Porbander.

As per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea. Based on the input, Coast Guard Dornier aircraft undertook sea-air coordinated search and located the suspect fishing boat. Thereafter, the Coast Guard ship on patrol in area was diverted and intercepted the unlit boat at about midnight of 31st December in position 365 km West-South West of Porbandar.

The Coast Guard ship warned the fishing boat to stop for further investigation of the crew and cargo; however, the boat increased speed and tried to escape away from the Indian side of maritime boundary. The hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots. Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat.

Due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered. The boat burnt and sank in the same position, in early hours of 1st January. Coast Guard ships and aircraft are continuing operations in area to search for any possible survivor. Coast Guard and other security agencies are maintaining high vigil in maritime and coastal areas since last couple of months due to several inputs on threat from the sea.


"Illicit transaction" is all the MoD states. Like I have said de-link the official GoI/MoD's actions/statements and the nonsense the Indian Media put out there.

NOTHING has come out to contradict the official narrative/statements of the MoD/GoI/ICG.


All the MoD has stated is this:

-Intercepts made by NRTO of Pakistani originating communication -FACT
-Intercepts mentioned illicit/high value cargo-FACT
-NRTO passes this information information onto ICG-FACT
-ICG launches Do-228 MPA-FACT
-ICG Do-228 locates said trawler/suspicious vessel-FACT
-ICG Do-228 remains on station and directs an ICG patrol vessel to the scene-FACT

Now where the story gets unclear:

-ICG patrol vessel arrives on scene and hails the trawler/suspicious vessel
-trawler/suspicious vessel does not heed warning shots and verbal warnings
- trawler/suspicious vessel ignites itself


All we are now seeing is the Indian MEDIA covering their backsides after having sensationalised this story no end and cooked up conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. The official statements/stance of the MoD/GoI remain entirely enact.


And the term "terror boat" was EXCLUSIVELY used by the Indian media, no one in any official position labeled this trawler/suspicious vessel as such.
 
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B) the Indian Coast Guard arrests hundreds of illegal fishermen and smugglers a year shoot first is hardly their SOP, so what was different about this situation? Something happened on the seas in this event that lead to the destruction of that ship and this has still not been properly addressed yet not even by this lame article.
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Either you have not read the article properly or are wilfully ignoring these sections.

Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships

The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period

Two paragraphs dedicated to the idea that the GoI sources are stating misinformation.
 
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sensationalist media coverage, perhaps even a bit irresponsible.. but there was a security incident where a boat from Pakistan was intercepted..

so smugglers or jihadis... I'm just glad they're dead and the boat destroyed, good job ICG, Navy, and all the security forces involved.
 
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