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Alleged "Terror boat" Sunk by Indian Coast Guard | Fact or Fiction?

You my dear is an amazing person lolz ..:p:
Some alleged smugglers / alleged terrorists/ alleged fishermen ( as claimed by some ) came deep into Indian water & when the Indian coast guard, as per International laws went there to investigate it, they blew themselves up & you are threatening to kill Indian fishermen. I say go ahead & see the reaction from India & International community for violating international laws & unleashing state sponsored murder.

OP is rubbishing the story you are parroting since yesterday. But anyway If the alleged encounter actually happened (It can be that your Coast Guards just burned already captured boat and did all the drama to get medals) and it involves the fishermen than any Indian fishermen coming into Pakistan's EEZ will be fair game and can be termed as smuggler or delivering arms to Indian proxies.
 
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Doubts mount over India’s claims of destroying ‘terror boat’ from Pakistan | The Indian Express

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An aerial view of the fishing boat carrying explosives before being intercepted by Indian Coast Guard approximately 365 km off Porbander in Gujarat, on Wednesday. The boat eventually drowned after being set on fire by crew members. (Source: PTI Photo)
Written by Praveen Swami | New Delhi | Posted: January 2, 2015 10:00 pm | Updated: January 3, 2015 1:40 pm

Less than 48 hours after the Coast Guard destroyed a boat it suspected was ferrying explosives and terrorists from Pakistan into Indian waters, new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers, ferrying bootleg cargo from the port of Gwadar to other fishing boats which were to have carried it into Karachi’s Keti Bandar harbour.

There is also a suggestion of use of disproportionate force since the fishing boat did not have an engine capable of outrunning Indian interceptors.

In a press release, the Ministry of Defence said that “as per the intelligence inputs received on 31st December, a fishing boat from Keti Bunder near Karachi was planning some illicit transaction in Arabian Sea”.

Highly-placed government sources, however, said the intelligence had no link to terrorism, and made no reference to any threat to India. Instead, the sources said, the National Technical Research Organisation had intercepted mobile phone traffic involving small-time smugglers operating out of the fishing port of Keti Bandar, near Karachi.

The report, the sources said, was issued directly to the Coast Guard and Navy by a mid-level NTRO official in violation of systems which mandate that any possible threat must be shared with all relevant services, including the Intelligence Bureau, the Research and Analysis Wing, and the Border Security Force. Naval headquarters, the sources said, chose not to deploy ships in response to the intelligence, noting that it did not involve any threat to national security. However, the Coast Guard scrambled at least one interceptor from Porbandar, which was seen leaving dock by local fishermen late on the night of New Year’s Eve. A senior Gujarat Police official said that the Coast Guard did not share the information with the state police which also has interceptor boats and coastal police stations meant to interdict coastal trafficking. Maharashtra Police officials also said they were given no information on a maritime operation underway on December 31, and expressed surprise since the state has several landing points and jetties that could be used by a boat carrying explosives to India’s western seaboard. “You don’t need to be a genius to figure out we should have been told,” the official said, “because if the fishing boat was actually carrying explosives and managed to evade patrols on the seas, we should have been in position waiting for it.”

In its press release, the Ministry said that a “hot pursuit continued for nearly one hour and the Coast Guard ship managed to stop the fishing boat after firing warning shots”. “Four persons were seen on the boat who disregarded all warnings by the Coast Guard ship to stop and cooperate with investigation. Soon thereafter, the crew hid themselves in below-deck compartment and set the boat on fire, which resulted in explosion and major fire on the boat,” the release stated. November 25, 2014: Security breach easy where the border is a line drawn in water But three naval officers told The Indian Express it was inconceivable that Pakistani fishing boats — typically four-crew vessels, with an average length of less than 25 metres and equipped with 80-220 horsepower diesel engines, or smaller mechanised sailboats with 30 horsepower engines — could outrun the Coast Guard’s state-of-the-art ships. Photographs released to media showed only fire damage to the ship’s hull, which would have blown apart had incendiary munitions, such as grenades or ammunition, been on board. Plastic explosive does not ordinarily explode in fires, and only chemical analysis can detect if it was on board. Ministry sources said the Coast Guard has not retrieved debris from the area for forensic analysis. The Ministry’s press release also said that “due to darkness, bad weather and strong winds, the boat and persons on board could not be saved or recovered”. However, open-source meteorological data for the Porbandar coast for the year-end shows conditions were almost ideal right through the second fortnight of December 15, 2014 to January 1, with cloudless skies and, on December 31-January 1. There were no bad-weather warnings for Indian fishermen in the region through this period. Six years after 26/11: Broken bomb scanner, rusting bikes, no firing range Local fishermen said they had not seen the fire on December 31— raising the prospect that the incident may have occurred in international waters, some distance from the thousands of Indian and Pakistani fishing boats in the area. “I’ve been talking to our people in the area”, said Narsibhai Jungi Jadeja, the head of the Porbandar fishing boat owners’ association, “and everyone insists they didn’t see a thing. That surprises me, because a fire at night would be visible many nautical miles away”. “I just hope the government clears up the mystery over this, because if any Pakistani fishermen have been killed, the Pakistan navy will take vengeance on us,” he said. Saeed Baloch, the head of the Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum, said he was investigating the identity of the destroyed boat, but had no immediate details. “Hundreds of people go out to sea every day, and it is impossible for us to keep track of all of them. I just hope some poor people trying to make a living have not been killed,” he said





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So essentially, what I was saying is right all along.. a trigger happy Indian coast guard killed a bunch of smugglers(or perhaps even just poor fishermen) and then cooked up this massive lie to cover their heavy handed and rather dismal response.

A lie has very small legs

- The video shows no such "dangerous" sea conditions
- The weather was not that bad so that no one could be recovered( Did the Indian Coast Guard LET people die in the sea??..watch as they screamed for help or worse gun them down??)
- No "explosives" other than bad quality diesel( bought cheap from Gwadar perhaps)

Was all of this concocted lie a cover up for what is essentially murder at sea?

@Xeric @araz @niaz @Irfan Baloch @Donatello @Horus

If the boat crew itself let the boat on fire, how come Indian coast guard is responsible for it?

Had Indian coast guard fired on the boat, wouldn't there have been structural damage to the hull?

And why is Pakistani foreign office disowning the boat?


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Pakistan has rejected India's claim that the crew of a Pakistani fishing boat blew up and sank their vessel in an attempt to evade capture at the hands of the Indian Navy in a high-speed chase at sea, Geo News reported Saturday.

Pakistan Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam denied that any boat from Keti Bunder port of the country's Sindh province had sailed off.

Sources in the foreign office termed the Indian claim as mere propaganda to tarnish the image of Pakistan, the report added."
Pakistan rejects report on blowing up of boat off Gujarat coast : North, News - India Today

If the boat was not Pakistani as Pakistan foreign office claims, then this whole discussion is moot.
 
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If these people are confirmed to be poor fisherman, expect the PN to retaliate by killing indian fisherman.

If this is true then Indian authorities will certainly take action against the accused & your try anything like that then see what happens
 
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If the boat was not Pakistani as Pakistan foreign office claims, then this whole discussion is moot.
your cost guards/ Navy chased/ killed some people and blamed Pakistan which doesnt seem to be the case now and you think its Moot?

wow
@Star Wars I couldnt respond to you earlier re border firing where you thought that we were trying to reduce the goodwill generated in Pakistani public due to your support for the Peshawar victims. let me respond now with your quote below

The Anti India sentiment in Pakistan has receded after the Peshawar attack.They are probably trying to bring it back.
it will NEVER happen
both things are exclusive. what general Indian public, its children, celebrities and politicians did will never be forgotten and is appreciated by everyone including the army that mostly lost its sons.

our issues go back a long time I only wish that they are resolved in much better atmosphere. the statements like "teach Pakistan a lesson " or " Pakistan will be suffering collateral damage". are the ones that affect the Indian image.


it is Indian media hype that went in the flurry over these border firing and that boat incident where the Indian authorities have a slightly different point of view which is far less sensational as wanted by the Indian media

be fair in your analysis dear. the "love" is mutual on both sides on such issues
 
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Exposed.... what exposed..article is written by free Indian news paper.....
One stupid article...proves nothing....I will go with the Indian govt....

Dont try to be expert like Zaid Hamid who describe the history like he was there
 
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@Oscar even if they are smugglers id say job well done by ICG, OTOH i like how you are trying to sympathize to these Poor smugglers , do you know what happens to Pakistani smugglers near IRAN border ...??

BTW if you want to take Praveen swami seriously he's saying .
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if you take him seriously it will be good for you because Swami is also trying to say that think before you speak so that next time rondoo govt could be saved of embarrassment
 
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OP is rubbishing the story you are parroting since yesterday. But anyway If the alleged encounter actually happened (It can be that your Coast Guards just burned already captured boat and did all the drama to get medals) and it involves the fishermen than any Indian fishermen coming into Pakistan's EEZ will be fair game and can be termed as smuggler or delivering arms to Indian proxies.

yet more conspiracy theories,let's not get ahead of ourselves & let a proper Investigation be done
 
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you will not understand........here......
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE BOAT WAS CARRYING EXPLOSIVES FROM KARACHI OR WEAPONS.
Once bitten twice shy.. We haven't forgotten the 26/11.. And meanwhile, that pig Jamat ud dawa head hafiz saeed issued warning to India.. May be a plot for that....
 
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Onion bhai when will you reach 1 lakh post count ?o_O
Back on the topic ---- Poor fishermen don't carry explosives & blow themselves up near Indian coasts when chased by Indian coast guard. Nobody can confirm their real identity but i thing is sure that the occupants of the boat blew themselves up.

Nor are boats intercepted in international waters... ? and explosions tht nobody sees..
 
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your cost guards/ Navy chased/ killed some people and blamed Pakistan which doesnt seem to be the case now and you think its Moot?

wow

First of all, as per Indian reports(which is all we have to go by) they were only chased and not killed, Indian wanted to board the boat and check the contents it was carrying.

Second, if Pakistan has already disowned the boat and its crew and then this discussion is moot from Pakistani POV.

If they were not Pakistani(as Pakistan claims) and the incident did not happen in Pakistani waters, then how does it matter to Pakistanis, what happened and how?

As far Indian official statement is concerned, we still claim, that boat originated from Keti Bandar, was involved in some illicit activity, it fled at the site of coast guard ship and boat crew lit the boat on fire to evade capture and destroy its contents.
 
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your cost guards/ Navy chased/ killed some people and blamed Pakistan which doesnt seem to be the case now and you think its Moot?

wow
@Star Wars I couldnt respond to you earlier re border firing where you thought that we were trying to reduce the goodwill generated in Pakistani public due to your support for the Peshawar victims. let me respond now with your quote below


it will NEVER happen
both things are exclusive. what general Indian public, its children, celebrities and politicians did will never be forgotten and is appreciated by everyone including the army that mostly lost its sons.

our issues go back a long time I only wish that they are resolved in much better atmosphere. the statements like "teach Pakistan a lesson " or " Pakistan will be suffering collateral damage". are the ones that affect the Indian image.


it is Indian media hype that went in the flurry over these border firing and that boat incident where the Indian authorities have a slightly different point of view which is far less sensational as wanted by the Indian media

be fair in your analysis dear. the "love" is mutual on both sides on such issues

Indeed both our nations share very similar culture & i hope all the issues btw our 2 great Nations can be resolved peacefully.About the Indian media part,yes i believe you are true Media does create a issue out of a non issue
 
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@Oscar

first you guys denied any link with Pakistan..most of these Pakistani members rubbished the story.

second,you guys pointed out whether this is even possible or may be its Smugglers..

now,some article said it may be indeed smugglers..though it'd take time to prove it(and thats Indian Media,at which you guys aimed guns).

so,why bother now??you guys already denied any link.why bother again to open another thread??just to prove that yes,Indian Media provides accurate news(as per information available at that time) most of the time??

I've seen this trend for some times..Indian Media said 2 Pakistani rangers died..Common expression by Pakistani Members--Bull$h!t,Rants by Indian Media etc..when proved accurate,they resorted some conspiracy theory(They were shot dead after calling the Flag Meeting)

even today,one thread got blocked where it suggested some more Pakistani Rangers died in last 2 days(Horus commented that it is ranting from Indian Media,same media whose news was proved correct on border issues).

even you branded this incident as "a cooked up story".but notice,this very news also came from Indian media.
 
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