ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Hexciter]

You should read this if you are a Muslim Pakistani

It would be better you write as “You should read this, if you are a real Muslim.”

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@OsmanAli98

Ask yourself this very important question. In one shape or form, the Pakistani Army and its intelligence service have been involved in Jihad across the world. We have never remained silent when zulm has occurred against the Muslim's. Therefore, do you think for one second that members of this forum have more knowledge than our military top brass? They would have questioned their Chinese counterpart and not allowed CPEC to take off.

When Imran Khan was asked that question in an interview, he simply stated that he didn’t know all the facts to make a judgement.

He neither defended China nor criticized them.

Pakistan is neutral on this subject, but the masses of Muslims all over the world (including Pakistan) have sympathies with Uyghurs.

You should read this if you are a Muslim Pakistani

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and give charity and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have mercy upon them, for Allah is Almighty and Wise.

Surat al-Tawba 9:71

The Muslims are like a single man. If the eye is afflicted, then the whole body is afflicted. If the head is afflicted, then the whole body is afflicted.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2586, Grade: Sahih

“A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor. Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection . “

(Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitab al-Muzalim)

Pakistanis are conflicted.

We have always been allies and friends of China and also have strong cultural, racial links to Uyghurs, who are related to our Chitrali and Balti people.

Furthermore we have always been the strongest brothers of Turk nations and supported them in every conflict. Many of our ruling dynasties and peers were Turks.

We want China to behave better with Uyghurs, and want peace between them both.

Our focus has and always will be the Western-Israeli-Indian nexus which is always seeking an opportunity to strike at us.

At this juncture, our only ally in the UNSC is China, as Russia is not our friend and all other nations are puppets of the US.

We need China’s help to stay safe on Kashmir and with India’s constant games against us internationally.

As our economy is not in good shape and the only revitalization possible is through CPEC, China is our best chance of recovering our international prestige and status, getting justice for Kashmir, and maintaining our independence.

This is why we choose to be silent.

It is not the bravest choice, neither is it exemplary, but if we duck our heads and work hard (even with US and its slaves’ designs,) we can achieve success and begin fighting back against our enemies.

 

[Yankee-stani]

All this is meaningless without freedom of religion.

You don’t understand the Islamic mindset, esp of Turks and Pakistanis, who view Islamic heritage as a source of pride.

Rights to perform the obligatory actions in Islam must be allowed, otherwise Xinjiang will split from China.

It is for your own country’s benefit to moderate your approach to your Islamic population to save your country.

I have this numerous times lets see the reports let folks check out the region copying and pasting articles from differing sources does not help us nor the understanding of the Uyghurs being that region of Xinjiang was rife with ethnic tensions in the pasts show there is cleavage for various powers to take advantage the good news the CPC is kinda woken to this unlike some members here who dodge or insult folks here again this isn t the first and last thread about Uyghurs and Xinjiang in fact the other day I was looking at threads from 2009,2011 and 2013 they were pretty heated again this a fourm not a representation of any respective govts however I urgee many Muslims here to thread careful and understand the backstory as for China it needs a rethink of PR

All this is meaningless without freedom of religion.

You don’t understand the Islamic mindset, esp of Turks and Pakistanis, who view Islamic heritage as a source of pride.

Rights to perform the obligatory actions in Islam must be allowed, otherwise Xinjiang will split from China.

It is for your own country’s benefit to moderate your approach to your Islamic population to save your country.

 

[Dubious]

Of course, I'm a Pakistani. I am a proud Ghakhar. I don't need a certificate from @Dubious or @Indos or any other person on this forum. I have plenty of family members who have given their service to the country and are currently active. I joined this forum in 2013, not once did a moderator ask me where do I come from. My opinion is different from most Pakistani's because I have lived in China, I haven't sat behind a computer reading articles to judge the country.

No there is opinion, then there is asskissing...you literally have crossed the border when you deny and sang the same song as every Chinese even when SOME OF THEM claimed that praying is not allowed in state institutions!

In regards to @Dubious he can't handle alternative facts or a difference of a opinion.

I can handle alot...Believe me I have banned a lot of members for the Chinese...But we cant ban everyone to please them!

Notice how he uses personal attacks on @beijingwalker insulting him on his command of the English language.

That is not a personal attack but a fact!

When someone spends the time to break it down for you bit by bit and you still behave like an ignorant person who knows nothing, whatelse can one assume if not a language barrier?

 

[Rasengan]

When Imran Khan was asked that question in an interview, he simply stated that he didn’t know all the facts to make a judgement.

He neither defended China nor criticized them.

Pakistan is neutral on this subject, but the masses of Muslims all over the world (including Pakistan) have sympathies with Uyghurs.

I wasn't talking about Imran Khan. I mentioned the military, and if you know any history between China and Pakistan then you would know it was the Pakistani intelligence service that persuaded the Taliban to distance themselves from ETIM back in 1996. Those freedom fighters you mentioned who killed two of there previous leaders? The Pakistani military. Imran Khan should know the facts, he is the Prime Minister of Pakistan and he gets a briefing from the military every day. But if you feel so strongly then do the decent thing and protest outside GHQ and demand them to not take Chinese investment. Case closed. The Chinese can always find an alternative, and their economy is strong enough to even go without CPEC.

 

[Yankee-stani]

When Imran Khan was asked that question in an interview, he simply stated that he didn’t know all the facts to make a judgement.

He neither defended China nor criticized them.

Pakistan is neutral on this subject, but the masses of Muslims all over the world (including Pakistan) have sympathies with Uyghurs.



Pakistanis are conflicted.

We have always been allies and friends of China and also have strong cultural, racial links to Uyghurs, who are related to our Chitrali and Balti people.

Furthermore we have always been the strongest brothers of Turk nations and supported them in every conflict. Many of our ruling dynasties and peers were Turks.

We want China to behave better with Uyghurs, and want peace between them both.

Our focus has and always will be the Western-Israeli-Indian nexus which is always seeking an opportunity to strike at us.

At this juncture, our only ally in the UNSC is China, as Russia is not our friend and all other nations are puppets of the US.

We need China’s help to stay safe on Kashmir and with India’s constant games against us internationally.

As our economy is not in good shape and the only revitalization possible is through CPEC, China is our best chance of recovering our international prestige and status, getting justice for Kashmir, and maintaining our independence.

This is why we choose to be silent.

It is not the bravest choice, neither is it exemplary, but if we duck our heads and work hard (even with US and its slaves’ designs,) we can achieve success and begin fighting back against our enemies.

China and Turkey have been good allies for us for several decades Yes do their values and lifestyles conflict with us yes Turks are proud of their Kemalist Secularism Pakistanis abhor Secularism and are more conservative when it comes to religion on the Chinese well religiously they are diverse and at the same time hampered by being larger country with sphere of its own the Sinophere and bulk of The Population is mainly on the eastern seaboard and media is there Xinjiang is like way remote for folks living out on the coastal areas where the actual people live however I see this more of ethnic dispute than religious Uyghurs dont get along with Han/Hui Muslims who make the bulk of the Islamic population there so thats a problem also things is the CPC needs to uplift citizens on those frontiers to get living standards up so ethnic tensions can be tamed allow better PR strategy cause much of the media and think tanks are based in the US,English whether you like it or not is an International languge China lacks that yes you got CCTV or CGTN but they are no close to media based here

 

[Dubious]

He doesn't read my post properly and is prone to an emotional outburst. Therefore, I refuse to entertain such a person. Him crying on the situation of Xinjiang doesn't change anything.

Yet you are hear quoting me and trying to malign me...However, the members have clearly seen your and my posts...the posts are on the forum for everyone to read and decide for themselves!

I have wasted plenty of time to teach a Chinese, who refuses to even comprehend the basics of Islam and how his govt is oppressing Islam (on this forum - I wouldnt generalize coz Chinese are smart people in general)

In regards to @Dubious he can't handle alternative facts or a difference of a opinion. Notice how he uses personal attacks on @beijingwalker insulting him on his command of the English language. He doesn't read my post properly and is prone to an emotional outburst. Therefore, I refuse to entertain such a person. Him crying on the situation of Xinjiang doesn't change anything.

Aww so pointing out his inability to understand basics about Islam (I even highlighted to you must be news for you that Muslims pray 5x a day which is not allowed in these concentration camps coz they are public property) which he happens to be talking against shouldn't be coz of his English? Then what? Ignorance or lack of interest to know who is being oppressed? And I have addressed all points only he feels offended of the obvious and reality.

While he can be rude offensive and defensive against other members....I am sorry real life doesn't work that way!

Here is the basic breakdown ans summary:

2 members from China (not including intentional media and other foreign members) have agreed that:

NO praying in public places or institutes
Concentration camp is a public institute

And when asked are these people allowed to pray...same members said no praying in public institutes...So according to Chinese records (you can find them on PDF) ...the Uyghur people are told to stay in these camps...So, kindly tell me how or where do they pray if their rooms (staying) is in the public building in the concentration camp?[

 

[Indos]

Pakistanis are conflicted.

We have always been allies and friends of China and also have strong cultural, racial links to Uyghurs, who are related to our Chitrali and Balti people.

Furthermore we have always been the strongest brothers of Turk nations and supported them in every conflict. Many of our ruling dynasties and peers were Turks.

We want China to behave better with Uyghurs, and want peace between them both.

Our focus has and always will be the Western-Israeli-Indian nexus which is always seeking an opportunity to strike at us.

At this juncture, our only ally in the UNSC is China, as Russia is not our friend and all other nations are puppets of the US.

We need China’s help to stay safe on Kashmir and with India’s constant games against us internationally.

As our economy is not in good shape and the only revitalization possible is through CPEC, China is our best chance of recovering our international prestige and status, getting justice for Kashmir, and maintaining our independence.

This is why we choose to be silent.

It is not the bravest choice, neither is it exemplary, but if we duck our heads and work hard (even with US and its slaves’ designs,) we can achieve success and begin fighting back against our enemies.

Indonesian is also not pushing hard on Xin Jiang issue but did questioning it through our foreign minister.

"Previously, the Foreign Ministry said it had summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to convey the concerns of Indonesian Muslims about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.

“The Foreign Ministry stressed that in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights, religious freedom and belief are human rights and it is the responsibility of all countries to respect it,” ministry spokesperson Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters on the sidelines of the Diplofest event on Wednesday evening."

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...about-alleged-abuse-of-xinjiangs-muslims.html

Yup I know the condition of Pakistan government on this issue. OIC then should be used to voice Muslim concern on Xinjiang issue if individual countries are reluctant to do it alone. But unfortunately OIC make soft comment on Uigur issue recently. This condition really show a weakness of Muslim that is said by our prophet about our condition in the near end time. Voicing concern should not become any issue if we believe we are strong and being backed by Allah himself. It is very laughable that even OIC is soft on China.

This can only happen because Many Muslim nation actually are not really showing its brotherhood. And that lack of brotherhood is because Islamist leader havent rule Muslim countries, except in Turkey and Qatar. The example of our lack of brotherhood are many, not only in Uigyur case but also what is happening in Syria, Libya, and Yaman where Muslim fighting each other. As Muslim, we have an obligation to make peace process there even if we need to do it with force. But no one is ready to sacrifice by deploying large troops there. But I see the condition may change in the future as Muslim tend to be more conservative after the year 2000.

 

[Itachi]

You can still be racists towards an ethnic group. There are 56 ethnic groups in China of which 10 are Muslim and the Han being the majority. If you studied Chinese history, then you will know the Han people were not always in power and the decision makers came from different ethnic groups. Liao dynasty, Jin dynasty, Yuan dynasty and Qing dynasty were not Han. I don't mind if people find faults in everyone, but when you bring up ancient history to attack a certain ethnic group then you are a bigot.

lol you can't be racist towards an ethnicity, no such this as that. Racism means being prejudiced against a race. I'm not prejudiced....I just told you the facts.

You can worship China and their civilization as much as you want. Up to you.

You should control your emotions You might be a fortune teller, but don't presume other people can read your message if you don't write your sentence correctly How can you tell which tone I am speaking? Have you listened to my voice? Of course, I am fond of 11 year olds they are children who bring joy into this bleak world. I guess you don't like 11 years olds...bad history?

What I can and cannot do is up to me, not you. You're not my parents. Again, you're sliding into the territory of personal remarks and insults. I would not go there...

@Dubious ^ Just wanted to let you know that I'm not replying to personal remarks here.

The fundamental philosophy of communism is A Critique of Political Economy published in 1885 and 1894, respectively. The capitalism in early stage (18th -19th century) is extremely brutal. The Great Bengal famine of 1770 shows how brutal British East India Company could be, much worse than fascists.

Communism definitely has a very good will, a utopia to create a better world, no exploitation, equal human rights, gender equality, pacifism, racial discrimination and so on. Many Socialists such as August Bebel were pioneers on progressive movement.

Demonizing China and communism is the core of Cold War strategy. Just like Islamophobia, demonizing Islam nowadays serves some political agendas and countries.

My Pakistan friends, mutual understanding benefits both sides since we are all victims of Demonization.

China's political and economical approaches were inspired by Singapore to a certain extent. My views can be found here:

Pakistan industrialization, foreign policy and political system
China foreign policy
Stable gov and huge saving are the key for rapid economy growth

What you're describing as capitalism was more of a colonialism but I can agree on a mix. All isms have their fault but communist and fundamentalism continue to be the plight of the day.

ok...but that is what your IP showed...

Seriously, you should take this with the leadership of this forum. No one should hide their IP on this forum unless they're from North Korea or some other censored place, otherwise it should ring some bells...

 

[Rasengan]

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What I can and cannot do is up to me, not you. You're not my parents. Again, you're sliding into the territory of personal remarks and insults. I would not go there...
..

This is my last response to you, so don't bother replying Goodbye

 

[Itachi]

This is my last response to you, so don't bother replying Goodbye

Ok dude. I'll see you around.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Singe glorious praises of China no doubt!
Watta load of bull.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

the good news the CPC is kinda woken to this unlike some members here who dodge or insult folks here again this isn t the first and last thread about Uyghurs and Xinjiang in fact the other day I was looking at threads from 2009,2011 and 2013 they were pretty heated again this a fourm not a representation of any respective govts however I urgee many Muslims here to thread careful and understand the backstory as for China it needs a rethink of PR

I hope so for China and for us Muslims, this may be the only way out from Western domination.

Indonesian is also not pushing hard on Xin Jiang issue but did questioning it through our foreign minister.

"Previously, the Foreign Ministry said it had summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to convey the concerns of Indonesian Muslims about the plight of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.

“The Foreign Ministry stressed that in accordance with the universal declaration of human rights, religious freedom and belief are human rights and it is the responsibility of all countries to respect it,” ministry spokesperson Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters on the sidelines of the Diplofest event on Wednesday evening."

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...about-alleged-abuse-of-xinjiangs-muslims.html

Yup I know the condition of Pakistan government on this issue. OIC then should be used to voice Muslim concern on Xinjiang issue if individual countries are reluctant to do it alone. But unfortunately OIC make soft comment on Uigur issue recently. This condition really show a weakness of Muslim that is said by our prophet about our condition in the near end time. Voicing concern should not become any issue if we believe we are strong and being backed by Allah himself. It is very laughable that even OIC is soft on China.

This can only happen because Many Muslim nation actually are not really showing its brotherhood. And that lack of brotherhood is because Islamist leader havent rule Muslim countries, except in Turkey and Qatar. The example of our lack of brotherhood are many, not only in Uigyur case but also what is happening in Syria, Libya, and Yaman where Muslim fighting each other. As Muslim, we have an obligation to make peace process there even if we need to do it with force. But no one is ready to sacrifice by deploying large troops there. But I see the condition may change in the future as Muslim tend to be more conservative after the year 2000.

Pakistan cannot do anything by itself. We tried to stop WOT and invasion of Afghanistan, standing completely alone, and even now we are being maligned and suffering attacks for our principled stance.

Time, however, proved that we were right and now NATO is forced to accept our initial call for negotiations as the only way to settle issues.

Nations like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Qatar, KSA, UAE, together with Pakistan, can come together to jointly lead a fact-finding mission in Xinjiang, so that no single nation will suffer the consequences if it is found that China is violating human rights of Uyghurs.

Our economic, geopolitical, and internal situation is not such at the moment that we can deal with any issues or stressors outside of our immediate territory.

Once CPEC is built and functioning, our own oil is tapped, and Gwadar is 100% ready, you can expect Pakistan to be much more bold and confident to push its Islamic vision for the world in the region.

 

[Itachi]

Singe glorious praises of China no doubt!
Watta load of bull.

What's your take on the matter?

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Dubious @OsmanAli98 @Indos @Rasengan @Brainsucker

A must watch and very eye revealing....did you know that international media is banned in Xinjiang or at least not allowed to do much??

If everything is ok in Xinjiang then why the lack of publicity??

 

[Itachi]

Nations like Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia, Iran, Qatar, KSA, UAE, together with Pakistan, can come together to jointly lead a fact-finding mission in Xinjiang, so that no single nation will suffer the consequences if it is found that China is violating human rights of Uyghurs.

This seems like a workable solution. Only if any of the listed nations had spines, maybe other than Turkey and Indonesia...