ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[beijingwalker]

The Vloger might be a Chinese propaganda as all of the video contain Chinese material. We dont know who is the vloger him/herself, he/she doesnt show his/her face. The video not conforming anything as it could show old video with 2019 title. But of course I still believe that many Uigyur are still on Xin Jiang street.

How come a video with no comment can be a propaganda job, besides the title is neither English nor Chinese.

Kashgar - crossing the street - Gurewitz . Does this guy look like a Chinese progandist?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Cmon dont overt emotional here guys its a thread here differing opinions is fine but dont get mad if you disagree again not saying who is right here

Making takfir is not emotional?

Dude’s crazy. Let’s leave it there.

Stop beating a dead horse.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Making takfir is not emotional?

Dude’s crazy. Let’s leave it there.

Stop beating a dead horse.

I am not a beating a dead horse I just hate it when Pakistanis fight each other over differing views no wonder we are so divided I never see this with Indians online and in real life Pakistanis prefer to fight with each other enough

 

[Itachi]

Vanishing? So if I go to Xinjiang or Ningxia now I will see no Muslims? How come recently foreign Vlogs show there are so many of them?

You need to watch the whole video before questioning it. You're just judging it by it's title.

Never judge a book (in this case a YT video) by it's cover (title).

China as a country controlled 60% of the world's GDP, this was only toppled when the Mughal controlled much of the Indian subcontinent.

Where are you pulling these figures from lol? The Chinese govt. database?

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Dubious @Indos damn....60% of the world's GDP at one time in history, biggest bullcrap ever heard lol....

This dude forgets that while Han China was alive, so was the Roman Empire. While China was just getting started by Chinese settling around the Yellow & Yangtze river, we had the Egyptians, the Mesopotamians and our own Indus river people and the Native American civilizations (North & South)...

How can a single ethnicity or nation control 60% of the of the whole worlds GDP??

If he had said Prophet Sulaiman R.A. then that would have been believable...

^discussion for another time, at least the last sentence.

The Vloger might be a Chinese propaganda as all of the video contain Chinese material. We dont know who is the vloger him/herself, he/she doesnt show his/her face. The video not conforming anything as it could show old video with 2019 title. But of course I still believe that many Uigyur are still on Xin Jiang street.

Right, the title is just a eye catcher for the average joe....it doesn't literally mean they're vanishing. Just that their rights, influence and importance is.

How come a video with no comment can be a propaganda job, besides the title is neither English nor Chinese.

That's the thing lol....more than half your videos are from unknown sources. All small YT accounts. Whose to say they're not fake accounts??

Real popular YT accounts have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of subscribers and they have a lot of comments on them because people can agree or disagree with the content of the video.

Citing videos from unknown sources that can just take a camera in their hand and go out in the streets doesn't help your case.

Neither does your understanding of free media.

Cmon dont overt emotional here guys its a thread here differing opinions is fine but dont get mad if you disagree again not saying who is right here

Bro, that guys ok with Muslims being trodden upon. Would you agree with a Muslim that's ok with the brutalization of Kashmiris, Palestinians, Rohingyas, Bosnians and countless other Muslims around the world??

He's literally worshipping China! He's been given countless points of evidence from 3 different members other than me about the Chinese policies against Uyghurs...

Seems like you have already picked a side.

I was watching your likes and you seemed to constantly like his and that Beijing guy's posts...

I am not a beating a dead horse I just hate it when Pakistanis fight each other over differing views no wonder we are so divided I never see this with Indians online and in real life Pakistanis prefer to fight with each other enough

No one's fighting lol....we are debating. Do you see insults, curses and slurs being hurled around? At least not from me, PIP, Dubious or Indos.

Plus, differing views mean we actually think or hold an opinion

We don't carry the mob mentality of illiterate Indians (different than the literate ones) that are fed countless propaganda against Pakistan/Muslims daily.

There's a difference between unity and mob mentality, one breaks once pressure from the other side is applied and individual safety starts coming to the mind whereas the other holds steadfast against countless hardships as seen in our (Islamic) history.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

How can a single ethnicity or nation control 60% of the of the whole worlds GDP??

Pretty ridiculous statement.

Ethnic chauvinism, no matter from where, is toxic and poisonous.

History has a way of humbling such egos.

I pray that we never become so arrogant in our success.

Lifestyle based solely on materialism and supposed superiority is incomplete without spirituality and humility.

 

[Itachi]

Ethnic chauvinism, no matter from where, is toxic and poisonous.

History has a way of humbling such egos.

I pray that we never become so arrogant in our success.

Lifestyle based solely on materialism and supposed superiority is incomplete without spirituality and humility.

Kinda sums up the whole thread. If I might add....if rice farmers can become millionaires & billionaires then the opposite is true also since those rice farmers were once part of ancient dynasties.

And the same is true for all parts of the world, including Pakistan, if we forget our origins, we will be making the same mistakes as those whose bones lay in graves.

 

[beijingwalker]

It's just a theory, of course those numbers are highly debateable but at least it shows that China' s influence in the hisotry was no less than any western powers in Europe.

China’s Historical GDP Share in The World
An American Nobel winner claimed that by 2040 China will be the biggest economy on the earth and he also said that China had been the biggest economy on the earth for the last two thousand years. Now let’s take a look at China’s historical GDP share in the world:

Qin Dynasty 秦朝 221–206 BC
GDP per capita: Unknow
The share of Qing dynasty and the dynasties before it are too aged to calculate, no relevant data is available, so we can only start from the Han dynasty.

Han dynasty 汉朝 (206 BC–220 AD)
GDP per capita: $450
Han Dynasty accounted for 26% of the global wealth, at that time the Roman Empire dominated western world. while Han Dynasty is the economic center of the eastern world.

Tang Dynasty 唐朝 618 – 907 AD
GDP per capita:$480
China’s feudal society gets to its peak in Tang Dynasty, which accounted for 58% of the world GDP, the empire is very rich and powerful comparing with other countries of the same time. In the western world the second Eastern Roman Empire accounted for only 9% of the world GDP. The third Arab Empire accounted for just 7% of the world’s GDP. The fourth Ancient India accounted for 7% of the world’s GDP. Tang Dynasty could be described as a dominance among many great ancient countries.

Song Dynasty 宋朝 960-1279 AD
GDP per capita:US$2,280
The entire Song Dynasty accounted for 80% of the world’s GDP, The share should be the highest among Chinese history mainly due to a booming commerce, foreign trade and technological advancement, all these made Song the richest dynasty in Chinese history. After a thousand years, Westerners said: “a thousand years ago, China’s economic aggregate accounted for 80% of the world at that time.” After a thousand years Chinese people said in shock: “how is this possible?” Western historians described its wealth and prosperity like this, the living conditions of a porter at the gate of the capital Dongjing city was even better than a Western monarch of the same period. Song is a classic dynasty that hide the wealth into the people

Yuan Dynasty 元朝 1271-1368 AD
It is difficult to calculate economic data of Yuan Dynasty, its GDP is estimated to account for about 30% -35% of the world according to the foreign research institutions.

Ming Dynasty 明朝 1368–1644 AD
GDP per capita:US$600
In the period of Wanli of the Ming Dynasty, its total wealth accounted for 55% of the world GDP. The average share was 45% during the whole Ming Dynasty, but the late Ming Dynasty rapidly declined for famine and war.

Qing Dynasty 清朝 1644-1922 AD
GDP per capita:US$600
Qing Dynasty accounted for 35% -10% of the World GDP, the economy experienced big recession after 1840 Opium War, large amounts of silver were used to pay indemnities to invaders and outflowed at the same time, causing its GDP rapidly falling from 35% in period of Kangxi and Qianlong to less than 10% in Jiaqing period.

http://www.chinawhisper.com/chinas-historical-gdp-share-in-the-world/

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Kinda sums up the whole thread. If I might add....if rice farmers can become millionaires & billionaires then the opposite is true also since those rice farmers were once part of ancient dynasties.

And the same is true for all parts of the world, including Pakistan, if we forget our origins, we will be making the same mistakes as those whose bones lay in graves.

This kind of arrogance has destroyed the Arabs, Americans, Europeans, and Russians, yet some believe China is immune.

At its height, the Islamic world controlled all trade in Eurasia and all routes out of Africa for almost 1,000 years. Yet you will never see us arrogantly claim that we are exceptional on the basis of racial identity or economic power.

It is humility and respect of other human beings which assures prosperity and friendship between various people.

When will decadent materialistic societies of the West and East Asia learn?

 

[Itachi]

The entire Song Dynasty accounted for 80% of the world’s GDP, The share should be the highest among Chinese history mainly due to a booming commerce, foreign trade and technological advancement, all these made Song the richest dynasty in Chinese history. After a thousand years, Westerners said: “a thousand years ago, China’s economic aggregate accounted for 80% of the world at that time.” After a thousand years Chinese people said in shock: “how is this possible?” Western historians described its wealth and prosperity like this, the living conditions of a porter at the gate of the capital Dongjing city was even better than a Western monarch of the same period. Song is a classic dynasty that hide the wealth into the people

Wow....what a load of...well you know...

Plus, you can see the play on the words in the first sentence..."The entire Song Dynasty"....like what??? How did you calculate that the entire dynasty from 960 till 1279 AD accounted for 80% of the world's GDP!?

The Arab/Muslims empires were at the height of their power at that time along with the Mali Empire, which had Mansa Musa, who is the richest person of all time according to present records. He controlled all the major salt and gold routes and mines.

Height of hypocrisy pulling out numbers from clouds. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Dubious @Indos @OsmanAli98

EDIT: Look at his source lol....what a day...

 

[beijingwalker]

Wow....what a load of...well you know...

Plus, you can see the play on the words in the first sentence..."The entire Song Dynasty"....like what??? How did you calculate that the entire dynasty from 960 till 1279 AD accounted for 80% of the world's GDP!?

The Arab/Muslims empires were at the height of their power at that time along with the Mali Empire, which had Mansa Musa, who is the richest person of all time according to present records. He controlled all the major salt and gold routes and mines.

Height of hypocrisy pulling out numbers from clouds. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Dubious @Indos @OsmanAli98

Kindly notice that I said those number are highly debatable before I posted them,it is just a theroy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Wow....what a load of...well you know...

Plus, you can see the play on the words in the first sentence..."The entire Song Dynasty"....like what??? How did you calculate that the entire dynasty from 960 till 1279 AD accounted for 80% of the world's GDP!?

The Arab/Muslims empires were at the height of their power at that time along with the Mali Empire, which had Mansa Musa, who is the richest person of all time according to present records. He controlled all the major salt and gold routes and mines.

Height of hypocrisy pulling out numbers from clouds. @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Dubious @Indos @OsmanAli98

China prospered because of humility and diligence. The whole world mocked them and insulted them, so they put their head down and worked hard to uplift themselves. In the end, it payed off. No one ever took them seriously as a threat until now.

China’s failure can only be with the opposite, which is becoming everything which they loathe in the West: racist, arrogant, materialistic, cold-hearted, prideful, classist chauvinists.

 

[Itachi]

Kindly notice that I said those number are highly debatable before I posted them,it is just a theroy.

Right, I read that part but still....80% is like....not even a theory lol....it's impossible...

They didn't even take into account the wealth in the New World, which wasn't colonized/explored up till the 1500's.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Right, I read that part but still....80% is like....not even a theory lol....it's impossible...

They didn't even take into account the wealth in the New World, which wasn't colonized/explored up till the 1500's.

Our ancestors, the Mughals, at the height of their power and prosperity had 25% of the world’s wealth, which made it an attractive target for the British, French, and Portuguese.

I am sure China’s share would be similar. This is logical.

 

[Itachi]

Our ancestors, the Mughals, at the height of their power and prosperity had 25% of the world’s wealth, which made it an attractive target for the British, French, and Portuguese.

I am sure China’s share would be similar. This is logical.

Big difference in 25% and 80% lol

 

[Dubious]

China prospered because of humility and diligence. The whole world mocked them and insulted them, so they put their head down and worked hard to uplift themselves. In the end, it payed off. No one ever took them seriously as a threat until now.

China’s failure can only be with the opposite, which is becoming everything which they loathe in the West: racist, arrogant, materialistic, cold-hearted, prideful, classist chauvinists.

I totally agree with this!

Chinese were examples of humility hence my shock here on PDF. They were considered examples of humbleness hence we were taught words of Confucious as proverbs....Some still adapted by WEST.

Not anymore...New generation learns that Japanese and Korean are most humble and even as an example of humilty..took less than one generation to lose the pedestal!

It is seen in history arrogance does kill....usually and almost always leads to its downfall...Germany and USSR are recent examples.

Song Dynasty 宋朝 960-1279 AD
GDP per capita:US$2,280
The entire Song Dynasty accounted for 80% of the world’s GDP, The share should be the highest among Chinese history mainly due to a booming commerce, foreign trade and technological advancement, all these made Song the richest dynasty in Chinese history. After a thousand years, Westerners said: “a thousand years ago, China’s economic aggregate accounted for 80% of the world at that time.” After a thousand years Chinese people said in shock: “how is this possible?” Western historians described its wealth and prosperity like this, the living conditions of a porter at the gate of the capital Dongjing city was even better than a Western monarch of the same period. Song is a classic dynasty that hide the wealth into the people

I think they are not counting just China but also the tributaries....It is well known that a lot of countries paid tribute to China from Southeast Asia (however this was not streached to the 10th century...my guess is the obnoxious author penned the independent tributaries in as China’s wealth but even then it won't reach 80%...that's to say that Muslim empire and rising West had nothing. ...

Another objectable point would be what do they count as world? I am almost certain they didn't count Africa dismissing it as poor (never wondering why France and Germany fought to get in there)