All The World's Militaries...

[GURU DUTT]

No, maybe what I say is too complicated for you
I will try to dumb it down for you

The world (all the country sans US) have about 10 millions ground troop

If you want these 10 millions ground troop to fight in USA, you will first need to put those 10 millions troop to the US.

The problem is, with the combine naval force and Air Force, do you think you can load up 10 million soldier and send them to the US in a single lift? Because if not, you are then sending your troop what we refer to in the military "piecemeal" say your lift ability are 1 millions per shipment, then instead of facing 1 wave of 10 million troop, you are facing 10 wave of 1 million troops. In the military term, that means you have time to digest each wave before the next wave hit and in military term, your casualty ratio will drop with each subsequent wave send with the first wave hurt the most.

The next obstacle is the geographic feature, in a term of airlift, you need a flat land to accomdate each air drop and you need a shallow opening for your landing ship to come ashore, for bigger transport ship, you need to have docks access to unload your infantry.

Now look at the geographical feature of US, we have limited beaches on the east coast, and mainly big sea port and river pier, in the west, we have more beaches but less port and those beaches on either coast were separated by build up and urban area, that is not suitable for landing

As I projected, even if by chance the world did have 10% lifting ability, you cdn only land 4-500,000 troop on your first wave, that is the physical restraint

Remember that is before any US interventation, for all the Sam pointing outward, all 2-3000 combat air patrol, naval interdiction with carrier strike and so on, you are looking at 40-50% casualty of any wave you land

So that put an effective combat force of 200,000 to 300000 left on the coast of US and fighting the full strength of US military + militia of all sort, until the next wave of 4 to 500,000 wave can land

Top it all up, unless you plan to fight just 1 day, you will need constant resupply of food and ammo, after the first wave, part of the lift ability are to dedicated to bring supply in and evac the wounded out, that again hurt your life ability and putting soldier on shore

This is why invading and conquering US is impossible, because traditional wisdom suggest, of all the ambi landing we done since ww2, a defender always have a 5:1 advantage, for every defender killed, 5 invader have to die to overwhelm the garrison, and that is when you have sir and sea dominance. US have 2.4 million ground troop, so, go figure

So, no, the world will not succeed not because we have a big ocean, but rather you cannot put enough troop in any given wave to push over the defender.

my great sir you are going in circels to say what im saying ...i said US will wipe owt all your 1 million or 1 hudred thousand ambi-asault wave/waves even before they leave there waters as you cant get past US super carrier battle groupes in the first place not to forget all the Air Force + missile inoventory and as i said before US cant be invaded as it has two oceans on either side

looks like either your too smart or stubborn to rad my post and answer my question/claim still stands no power in the world can ignoare / conquer or defeate USA other than itself..period

 

[jhungary]

my great sir you are going in circels to say what im saying ...i said US will wipe owt all your 1 million or 1 hudred thousand ambi-asault wave/waves even before they leave there waters as you cant get past US super carrier battle groupes in the first place not to forget all the Air Force + missile inoventory and as i said before US cant be invaded as it has two oceans on either side

looks like either your too smart or stubborn to rad my post and answer my question/claim still stands no power in the world can ignoare / conquer or defeate USA other than itself..period

Actually I did, just replace the US in my post with Afghanistan and the world with US and you will know 

The mighty US of A lost Vietnam, Somalia, and heading toward an embarrassing defeat in Afghanistan, against a rag tag circus of poorly armed rebels!

Where unconventional and asymmetric warfare is concerned, the USA is nothing but a floundering super power. All the kings horses and all the kings men are impotent in the face of insurgency and guerrilla tactics. 12 years on, the mighty US of A is all at sea in Afghanistan, trying to unsuccessfully put down a band of bearded mullahs that have killed over 2500 American soldiers!!

So whatever happened to their gazillion dollar arms industry churning out high tech gizmos and black projects that are spending billions on top secret weapon systems for 'protecting' the lives of Americans? In spite of all that, they are now cutting and running from the battlefield in Afghanistan! Jeeez!

You sounded very easy to fight in Afghanistan, maybe it's time you pick up a rifle and show the stupid American how to do it?

 

[OrionHunter]

You sounded very easy to fight in Afghanistan, maybe it's time you pick up a rifle and show the stupid American how to do it?

We Indians have been trying to teach American GIs how to fight an insurgency in our Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School in India, but they don't seem to have learned much! They need to put their heads to it and show more seriousness in their training.

 

[vostok]

Americans are fighting in Afghanistan? Against who? Against the Taliban? But the Americans have created the Taliban in the war against the Soviet Union!
And I think the Americans in Afghanistan just growing opium and controling the world heroin market. With the transit point in a terrorist organization called "state of Kosovo."
World opium trade - the ancient tradition of the Anglo-Saxons.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Americans are fighting in Afghanistan? Against who? Against the Taliban? But the Americans have created the Taliban in the war against the Soviet Union!
And I think the Americans in Afghanistan just growing opium and controling the world heroin market. With the transit point in a terrorist organization called "state of Kosovo."
World opium trade - the ancient tradition of the Anglo-Saxons.

not just opium that US is trying to control the bigger fish is the central asian oil which is not used even a fraction of what the oil trade from there could be for the next century Saudia/OPEC will pail away if everoil/ trade routes are to be opned from central asia ...saudia and USA knows this and as there economies are heavli dependend on OIL they are trying there level best to control this sector and using pakistan as a pawn funny thing is if ever trade routes open pakistan will be the biggest benificiarry of it but pakistanies choose not to exercise there power here but are hell bent on controling India ..whose at fault and whose not is realli confusing

now the thread is about USA then there is no one that can touch USA for the next century at least

 

[jhungary]

We Indians have been trying to teach American GIs how to fight an insurgency in our Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School in India, but they don't seem to have learned much! They need to put their heads to it and show more seriousness in their training.

U sure we have training rotation in India, as I recall, our training rotation for jungle warfare is either in Philippine, Indonesia and Australia

Do you mean we have exchange troop in India? Or you are just saying without any reference

This is what wikipedia says

CIJW has hosted visiting military units for training from the United States, Singapore,Nepal, Bhutan, Russia, United Kingdom,Israel , France, Bangladesh and many other nations.

Counter-insurgency and Jungle Warfare School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Raje amar]

@jhungary

thanks for your detail view on the point. but i have one question. did US attacked any of the adversary immediately when they felt insecure about them?

NO.

US first crippled the economy of that nation by enforcing sanctions.

same thing will happen with US, if the whole world decides to attack them. first attack will be on US economy. US will be starved for each & every single item it imports & is important for military use.

why are you assuming that the world army need place their forcess directly on the borders of US?

the world navy will take out US navy first.

US has 10 carriers and so dose the rest of the forcess combined.
US has 61 Destroiers and rest of the world has close to 130
US has 71 submarines and the rest of the world has close to 300 (all data from GFP)

Now what time will the world navyes take to destroy the mighty US navy .

once the US navy is destroied then it is very much possible to defeat US.

 

[jhungary]

@jhungary

thanks for your detail view on the point. but i have one question. did US attacked any of the adversary immediately when they felt insecure about them?

NO.

US first crippled the economy of that nation by enforcing sanctions.

same thing will happen with US, if the whole world decides to attack them. first attack will be on US economy. US will be starved for each & every single item it imports & is important for military use.

why are you assuming that the world army need place their forcess directly on the borders of US?

the world navy will take out US navy first.

US has 10 carriers and so dose the rest of the forcess combined.
US has 61 Destroiers and rest of the world has close to 130
US has 71 submarines and the rest of the world has close to 300 (all data from GFP)

Now what time will the world navyes take to destroy the mighty US navy .

once the US navy is destroied then it is very much possible to defeat US.

The problem is, US have minimal import on anything, we have our iron ore, oil field, enough far spans the can last us for decade.

People we engage in economic sanction can't fight back, if the world sanction us, we will just use for e to take what we need, we are currently the only country that can strike any part of the world within 24 hours.

and for the blockade to work, you need to destroy the US navy at home, indeed the world combine have 10 carrier, the problem is, you are talking about fighting the US navy in the home soil, that mean the world navy need to expedite into assaulting US Navy with US territories, terrorities supported by ground and air element

On the other hand the world navy is away from their supply line, you do know each day of operation used supply, supply you cannot have bought with and resupply is needed, when the supply ran out, either your fleet become sitting duck or you need to sail to your home port, which you are talking about a months absent

Lid you cannot destroy the US Navy at home, blockade is useless

 

[Armstrong]

You sounded very easy to fight in Afghanistan, maybe it's time you pick up a rifle and show the stupid American how to do it?

You cute little bunnies should concentrate on baking cookies & leave the fighting to us - real men !

And for godsake stop droning every thing !

 

[Darth Vader]

@jhungary @gambit
This scenario of your It depends on many things If this A surprise attack or US and Others all are already at war what is the objective like take some specific areas or whole total country out.

As you guys were saying If US takes out Canada , mexico it cant just place whole Forces at one place they have to spread forces every that's where they other forces have a little advantage because if Other Forces some how manage to take a landing Area into their control and start deploying Forces it will be all over for US

 

[OrionHunter]

U sure we have training rotation in India, as I recall, our training rotation for jungle warfare is either in Philippine, Indonesia and Australia

Do you mean we have exchange troop in India? Or you are just saying without any reference

This is what wikipedia says

Counter-insurgency and Jungle Warfare School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

‘Operation Vajra prahar’: American Special Forces
personnel undergoing jungle warfare training at the
specialised counter-insurgency range of the Army’s
Counter-Insurgency Jungle Warfare School in Vairengte
in Mizoram, India

US soldiers from 25 Infantry Division climb a hill during
a joint exercise by US and Indian soldiers at the Counter
Insurgencyand Jungle Warfare School (CIJW School) at
Vairengte, about140 kilometers (88 miles) north of Aizawl,
Mizoram, India.

Vairengte (Mizoram): Captain Greg Adams and soldiers of the U.S. Army’s Special Force Green Berets held their breadth and watched with rapt attention as soldiers of the Special Force of the Indian Army crawled on a jungle strip towards a mock insurgent hideout, with the Israeli Tavors in their hands booming with deafening sound and two others camouflaged in the jungles keeping their fingers on triggers of their snipers at the targets of the counter-terrorist range.

With live bullets from automatic weapons flying from all directions, it provided the perfect stage for the 24 personnel of the Green Berets to learn some lessons from their buddies of the Special Force as to how to fight a guerrilla like a guerrilla.

US troops do train here quite regularly.

The Hindu : National : U.S. soldiers learn jungle warfare

 

[jhungary]

‘Operation Vajra prahar’: American Special Forces
personnel undergoing jungle warfare training at the
specialised counter-insurgency range of the Army’s
Counter-Insurgency Jungle Warfare School in Vairengte
in Mizoram, India

US soldiers from 25 Infantry Division climb a hill during
a joint exercise by US and Indian soldiers at the Counter
Insurgencyand Jungle Warfare School (CIJW School) at
Vairengte, about140 kilometers (88 miles) north of Aizawl,
Mizoram, India.

Vairengte (Mizoram): Captain Greg Adams and soldiers of the U.S. Army’s Special Force Green Berets held their breadth and watched with rapt attention as soldiers of the Special Force of the Indian Army crawled on a jungle strip towards a mock insurgent hideout, with the Israeli Tavors in their hands booming with deafening sound and two others camouflaged in the jungles keeping their fingers on triggers of their snipers at the targets of the counter-terrorist range.

With live bullets from automatic weapons flying from all directions, it provided the perfect stage for the 24 personnel of the Green Berets to learn some lessons from their buddies of the Special Force as to how to fight a guerrilla like a guerrilla.

US troops do train here quite regularly.

The Hindu : National : U.S. soldiers learn jungle warfare

As I said, that's troop visiting, not rotation

Do you know the different?f

 

[neehar]

perhaps not a conventional attack..but i always wonder what would happen if the world stops using the dollar !!

on a serious note...history teaches us something important.no great country is gonna stay powerful for eternity.only the time varies...the real question is how far is it gonna last??

 

[jhungary]

@jhungary @gambit
This scenario of your It depends on many things If this A surprise attack or US and Others all are already at war what is the objective like take some specific areas or whole total country out.

As you guys were saying If US takes out Canada , mexico it cant just place whole Forces at one place they have to spread forces every that's where they other forces have a little advantage because if Other Forces some how manage to take a landing Area into their control and start deploying Forces it will be all over for US

We don't need to occupied Canada and Mexico, just destroy their navy so we can patrol their coast unmolested while we shoot down invader.

Nothing could be gain from occupying Canada and Mexico, and we don't need it, we simply need their sea lane and their airspace, hence just taking out their navy and airforce would be enough,

 

[OrionHunter]

As I said, that's troop visiting, not rotation

Do you know the different?f

I was talking of 'training'! And by the way, there's a world of a difference between training and visiting. The US troops aren't visiting India for a holiday in a spa retreat. They are here to get trained.