Akinci & Aksungur and Turkish Unmanned Fighter Aircraft Program

[T-123456]

I'm positively sure that Turkey will come with an armed one of its own. Aside the UAE has already gotten an armed UAV, no biggie.

Which one does the UAE have(armed)?
United-40 block 5?

 

[XILLAX]

if we dont go of a Armed vesion of Anka, why should Roketsan designed and produced a rocket like this 1 !

 

[Baykuş]

Thats what my guts telling me i hope i proven wrong.

Don't listen to your guts, it's just gas

 

[Bismarck]

If I understand all right, their is no roadmap yet. A little surprise for me, because I thought turkey is working on it.

 

[T-123456]

If I understand all right, their is no roadmap yet. A little surprise for me, because I thought turkey is working on it.

Dont be surprised,im sure they are working on it.
The thing with Turkish defense industry is,they only talk about a product when its allmost finished.
When you think of it in a logical manner,we asked the US to sell us armed drones and they refused.
Since we have our own unarmed drone,the next step should be to arm it.

 

[Bismarck]

Dont be surprised,im sure they are working on it.
The thing with Turkish defense industry is,they only talk about a product when its allmost finished.
When you think of it in a logical manner,we asked the US to sell us armed drones and they refused.
Since we have our own unarmed drone,the next step should be to arm it.

They always talk about "unborn" baby's (Fighterjet, MBT, AA-Missile...). But, next logical step must be an armed UAV, right.

 

[Baykuş]

They always talk about "unborn" baby's (Fighterjet, MBT, AA-Missile...). But, next logical step must be an armed UAV, right.

There is actually an ongoing project regarding the development of an UCAV:

Attack UAV Development Program (Lot IV)

Objective:

To design and develop an armed UAV System with advanced reconnaissance and surveillance capabilities in order to fulfill the requirements of Turkish Air Force.​

Scope:

Preliminary and Conceptual Design of the System. (+ 2 landing systems (optional) and 2 turbo prop motors (optional)​

Project Model:

Local Development​

Prime/Sub Contractor:

Contract Date:

Status:

RFP Preparation Phase​

Last Updated:

25.02.2013 09:45​

 

[gr8vision]

So how can Turkey assure that its ANKA or other armed drone (unmanned combat aerial vehicle, UCAV) would be independent from the U.S. GPS satellite's (or Russian Glonass, or European Galileo, or Chinese Baidu), as well as have its own missiles and/or bombs, which would also be independent from the above positioning system(s)? Would it rely on terrestrial GPS - but isn't that as vulnerable as satellite GPS, and not as effective in the mountains? What can Turkey, or Pakistan (with its Shahpur, Nescom Burraq) do to assure independence from GPS and Western air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles that the UCAV's are armed with?

 

[T-123456]

Your answer,
''Turkish space technologies news and updates'' thread,we have a own satelite program check it out

 

[T-123456]

So how can Turkey assure that its ANKA or other armed drone (unmanned combat aerial vehicle, UCAV) would be independent from the U.S. GPS satellite's (or Russian Glonass, or European Galileo, or Chinese Baidu), as well as have its own missiles and/or bombs, which would also be independent from the above positioning system(s)? Would it rely on terrestrial GPS - but isn't that as vulnerable as satellite GPS, and not as effective in the mountains? What can Turkey, or Pakistan (with its Shahpur, Nescom Burraq) do to assure independence from GPS and Western air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles that the UCAV's are armed with?

Post 226 on ''Turkish space technologies'' thread explains it all.
The plan is to have 25 satelites by 2033.

 

[gr8vision]

Thank you, but 2033 is really far away. What about today or the next few years?

 

[Baykuş]

So how can Turkey assure that its ANKA or other armed drone (unmanned combat aerial vehicle, UCAV) would be independent from the U.S. GPS satellite's (or Russian Glonass, or European Galileo, or Chinese Baidu), as well as have its own missiles and/or bombs, which would also be independent from the above positioning system(s)? Would it rely on terrestrial GPS - but isn't that as vulnerable as satellite GPS, and not as effective in the mountains? What can Turkey, or Pakistan (with its Shahpur, Nescom Burraq) do to assure independence from GPS and Western air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles that the UCAV's are armed with?

Thank you, but 2033 is really far away. What about today or the next few years?

The Turkish drones' navigation systems will indeed be very dependent upon the American Global Positioning System until we acquire our own satellite navigation system. Until then, I guess it has to make do, perhaps with the help of Terrain Contour Matching which the SOM-missile utilizes.

 

[TheCommander]

So how can Turkey assure that its ANKA or other armed drone (unmanned combat aerial vehicle, UCAV) would be independent from the U.S. GPS satellite's (or Russian Glonass, or European Galileo, or Chinese Baidu), as well as have its own missiles and/or bombs, which would also be independent from the above positioning system(s)? Would it rely on terrestrial GPS - but isn't that as vulnerable as satellite GPS, and not as effective in the mountains? What can Turkey, or Pakistan (with its Shahpur, Nescom Burraq) do to assure independence from GPS and Western air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles that the UCAV's are armed with?

You have a good point. And the answer of your question is that as long as we used US GPS system, we are not gonna be fully independent in terms of UAV. For that reason our country has started a program. However, some guys! tried to destroy or suspend this program. I do not know if you heard the military espionage case, but here is what is found during the investigation from the gang leader`s laptop. The file named "Pandora", which had a very high security program to not to be cracked. Police was able to pull out the information from Pandora file. Here is what they found.

The gang organization seized the secret projects named 'Pandora'. They called attention for some of the projects and highlighted the following statements: "... one of these projects is the Regional Positioning and Timing Satellite project. This project is a Geographical Positioning System (GPS) project which is expected to be sent into space in 2015-2016. With this project, it will be able to determine the locations and places for military and civil field uses. This project is very important, because it will reduce dependency of Turkiye"

P.s: For those who do not believe this is true, then they must read this Ministry of Defense probe finds espionage documents authentic - Today's Zaman, your gateway to Turkish daily news

 

[That Guy]

So how can Turkey assure that its ANKA or other armed drone (unmanned combat aerial vehicle, UCAV) would be independent from the U.S. GPS satellite's (or Russian Glonass, or European Galileo, or Chinese Baidu), as well as have its own missiles and/or bombs, which would also be independent from the above positioning system(s)? Would it rely on terrestrial GPS - but isn't that as vulnerable as satellite GPS, and not as effective in the mountains? What can Turkey, or Pakistan (with its Shahpur, Nescom Burraq) do to assure independence from GPS and Western air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles that the UCAV's are armed with?

I'd like to point out that only medium to long range drones require sats. If the drone remains within a certain range of the control center, it can give direct feed to the controller, without the aid of any sort of sat. Since both Pakistan and Turkey only have to worry about local defence, sat support is not as necessary for their drones as it is for the US, which conducts global military and surveillance operations.

This is another reason why mobile control centers are starting to get a lot more funding in the industry, because drone developers realize that most countries either don't have sats, and/or don't want to rely on sats to conduct operations.

 

[gr8vision]

I'd like to point out that only medium to long range drones require sats. If the drone remains within a certain range of the control center, it can give direct feed to the controller, without the aid of any sort of sat. Since both Pakistan and Turkey only have to worry about local defence, sat support is not as necessary for their drones as it is for the US, which conducts global military and surveillance operations.

This is another reason why mobile control centers are starting to get a lot more funding in the industry, because drone developers realize that most countries either don't have sats, and/or don't want to rely on sats to conduct operations.

Thank you everyone for the great responses. Aside from the GPS dependency though, what about air-to-surface and air-to-air missiles? For example, what other options do Turkish and Pakistani armed drones (UCAV's) have aside from Hellfire?