Ajmal still baffled by Tendulkar lbw reversal

[JanjaWeed]

One would be seeing a lot such Decisions in the Finals.. Dont Worry..

so you are a fortune teller.. are you??

 

[F86 Saber]

Not that it matters but have a look at this.......it kind of proves my theory.

In real time in the image on the left, the ball has hit Tendulkar on the inside of his front leg while hawk eye shows it hitting in the middle of the pad in the image to the right.

 

[divya]

I am getting fed up with these cricket threads . Everyone is coming up with their own commentary and self analysis of the game. There are many others thing to talk about beside cricket and game is done. Get over it and move on.

why what happened last weeek you guys were busy cracking jokes and thread.... what happened

 

[Paan Singh]

chalo yaar kahani khatam huyi,
Mr ajmal there will be no tendulkar next time in wc's

 

[iPhone]

That's it man it's over, let it go. Tournament is over, all teams are back home. Lets just relax our nerves too, watch some woman's basketball for some comic relief and have some good laughs.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I look at the real video feed not the .... cartoon by the pupets

The animations hows that the ball Rocketted out !!!\

But the read video shows , that the ball had no pace , it was barely moing infact it was so slow the ball was on way down , when it made connection with pads... with that pace / speed the ball was plumb going stright ...

If the ball had abnormal pace yes the - ball would go out but ... looking closely at the point of impact of ball and its going down shows that it was going stright to middle


Also the picture by our friend shows that the ball hit the person inside pad ...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

But to be honest we have too many problems to handle right now


a) Kamran Akmal , and his gangsters forcing PCB to ellect him or his brother , or his other broth
b) Gangsters scaring Zulqarnain haider he was a genuine talanted wicket keeper with potential lost
c) Saving future of Mohammad Amir Future
d) Bringing in U20 ballers into the system

Have policy of 2 seniors , and 20 youth players and groom a team for next world cup

 

[killeragent]

Not that it matters but have a look at this.......it kind of proves my theory.

In real time in the image on the left, the ball has hit Tendulkar on the inside of his front leg while hawk eye shows it hitting in the middle of the pad in the image to the right.

Dude you need to have a good look, in real time, the snap shot is of when ball hit the pad, pad is pressed in back side and ball is about to leave after deflection..Whereas Hawk eye view is when ball gives first touch to pad..Both are at DIFFERENT moments of time separated by some mini secs..It could also be verified by location of left leg of Akmal in both pics, in one its toe is bit in air and in other it is totally grounded

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think we can't argue with Hawk eye - its a technology , but what we should look at is our own fielding nothing more
for me as a person that looked out as the ball was just hiting inside of his pad ... not outside

If it was going out it would have hit him on outside of his pad but it was hitting inside showing that the ball was going to continue to drift inwards more then going outwards.

The hawkeye does not accounts for point of impact on pad in calculations -

Also it was hit quite low showing the ball had no pace to have force to float out of the pitch remember Tandulkar is a short man if its hitting his pads low and in , that means the ball has almost no pace .. and inward hit means the balls is just going to go at smaller angle

If the ball had his high or outside of pad , means ball had FORCE and speed to zap out of the outside of wickets

 

[F86 Saber]

Dude you need to have a good look, in real time, the snap shot is of when ball hit the pad, pad is pressed in back side and ball is about to leave after deflection..Whereas Hawk eye view is when ball gives first touch to pad..Both are at DIFFERENT moments of time separated by some mini secs..It could also be verified by location of left leg of Akmal in both pics, in one its toe is bit in air and in other it is totally grounded

OK i agree with you that there is a difference of nanoseconds between the hawkeye picture and the real time picture. But, as someone who has played and watched a lot of cricket in his life, i ask you, if the ball had hit the pad where hawk eye has shown it hitting, and with the trajectory hawk eye has shown it going, would it have ended in the same place a few nanoseconds later where it is shown in the real time image? No, the position of the ball shown by the real time image proves that the ball was not spinning towards the leg side in fact it was a lot straighter. And also that it hit Tendulkar on the inside of his left pad instead of hitting him almost in the middle of the pad as shown in the hawk eye image otherwise after hitting it would have fallen on the pitch in front of Tendulkar instead of going towards the off side.

Umpiring legend Dickie Bird has recently come out and opposed the Hawk Eye saying that it cannot read the condition of the pitch and the uneven deviation and bounce. In fact, the creators of Hawk Eye have already given a 5% margin of error in the reading of Hawk eye which in this case may have been the difference between a win and a loss.

Hawk-Eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this system is ok for tennis where it is used only to tell if a ball landed inside or outside the playing area, and even there many players have doubted it's accuracy.



Here is a very nice article

Is Hawkeye affecting umpires' decisions?

TNN / Partha Bhaduri


NEW DELHI, July 30: Is Hawkeye hitting the bull’s eye as a predictive tool for judging leg-before-wicket decisions? There is no doubt it makes the presentation more interesting, but increasingly, it has started playing God. And it’s only natural that this will have some effect on the umpires out in the middle. The question is, to what extent has the intense scrutiny of Hawkeye’s missile-tracking technology affected an umpire’s decision-making? And how is the game changing as a result?

The 14 LBW decisions at Lord’s (which included some howlers) and Simon Taufel’s decision at Trent Bridge to give Tendulkar out for offering his pad when the ball was clearly outside the line might have elicited the debate but it only points to a recent trend. Many umpires, both domestic and international, have their doubts about the technology but feel Hawkeye’s evidence has prompted umpires to become bolder while adjudicating LBW dismissals.

But one of the most respected of them all, former umpire Dickie Bird, feels the technology is leading the game down the garden path. "Hawkeye is rubbish," he told TOI, "All it has given the game is controversy, and put umpires under more stress. More than 50 per cent of the time it shows the ball would have gone on to hit the stumps or brushed a coat of paint on the bails when any district-level umpire could have told you it could not have been given LBW. Hawkeye cannot tell you the bounce of the pitch, the ball’s deviation in the air, the seam or spin of the ball... But under-pressure umpires are giving more front-foot LBWs than ever before. It’s a good thing for the bowlers, especially the spinners, but where will it end?"

Bird thinks there have been "a lot of mistakes made" in the Trent Bridge Test "by some good umpires" and feels "it is because of technology". "The authority of the umpire is compromised."

However, Dr Paul Hawkins, inventor of the technology, feels, "Hawkeye has never imposed itself on any sport, whether cricket or tennis. It is a decision-making tool to resolve the tightest calls, in places where human judgment is no longer enough".

Another former umpire, AV Jayaprakash, says: "It is an innovative tool, no doubt, and maybe what it has done is to readjust the line of sight of umpire. This prompts umpires to give more front-foot LBWs because they’ve seen that Hawkeye shows the ball hitting the stumps anyway."

But how does one judge the accuracy of a predictive tool? More than six cameras are placed around the stadium: At long-on, long-off, fine-leg, third-man and two square of the wicket. Three of these capture 3D images of the ball’s trajectory at 120 frames per second at various places till the point of impact - say the ball hitting the pad or the bat - and then predict its trajectory beyond that point using factors like swing and deviation. Bird feels this is the grey area, and on sunny days the ball’s shadow might even hinder the mechanism.

The processing and simulation is through computers but these are operated by humans. In short, there might be no way to judge the minimum performance requirement of the technology. "It’s only an inference," says former umpire, SK Bansal, "I don’t agree it is influencing umpires. But yes, if Hawkeye shows a ball in line was hitting the stumps, and the umpire doesn’t give it, there are murmurs."

The technology’s accuracy apart, that is what it’s all about. It’s a more or less accepted intrusion and will have ramifications. Some umpires feel it is compromising the game but they don’t have definite proof that this is influencing the course of game. Even Steve Bucknor made some insinuations a while back, but has since refused to comment.

A different insight is offered by Bird: "Why do you think the ICC decided to refer LBW decisions to the third umpire in the ICC Champions Trophy in 2004, but then discontinued it? The umpire would like it if the heat was taken off him. It’s actually top-order batsmen who don’t want it, because they are used to getting the benefit of doubt from umpires. With Hawkeye, they would be getting out all the time! In tennis it’s only used to judge line calls, and already the great Roger Federer is dead against it."

There’s clearly no one viewpoint on the issue, except one: The Hawkeye, and by extension the new Red Zone/Hot Spot, the Snickometer and the super Slo-Mo cameras, all mean that an umpire’s actions are now judged in almost microscopic detail. And that could make life difficult for everybody out in the middle, especially if the technology isn’t foolproof.

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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Hawk eye is good I don't mind it ...

 

[F-16_Falcon]

So indians even manipulating hawk eye!!! they were so eager to win this world cup.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I am shocked that people are shocked.

I concede that the match was cataclysmic for some!

 

[Pak_Sher]

Though the ball hit the pad, but also missed the leg stump. Lets show our sportman spirit. India di not win the match, but Pakistan lost and gave away the match. It is Pakistan that droppedSachin 4 times and did no put a slip that resulted in 2 more missed cathes for Gambhir and Dhoni.

India is the champion now and we should look forward to 2015.

 

[Sonic_boom]

Yeah evil yindoos managed to manipulate hawk eye to kick out superior Aryan Pakistanis from Worldcup :