Air Force comparison ( Turkey - İsrael - Egypt )

[500]

Dude, I think what has happened to you is that you've focused on Syria and especially Iran for so long that you've not bothered to actually spend some time learning the progress and investments in Egypt's radar network systems.

For you to compare the Russians in Syria trying to shoot down Israeli jets is the most absurd thing in the universe. The Russians will never shoot down Israeli jets even if you're attacking Syrian and Iranian targets. They'll let you do it all day and night. Including yourself, how many Russian Jews in Israel that Russia needs to be sensitive about?

They tried to shoot but failed.

Later on they mixed up civilian airliners with Israeli F-16s which left.

Suffice it to say that the Su-35S and all the Russian stuff is lagging way behind US-built stuff is unfathomable that someone would say anything like that. In a way I can see it because the Russians hold a lot more items closer to the vest. And BTW, the IRBIS-E radar on the Su-35SE can count the number of turbine blades in the F-35 lol. Not only that, it has AESA radars mounted on its wing-leading edged as well as its IRST. So practically 3 forms of radar including the ASEA which is a little under half the range of the IRBIS-E's 400km range.

Su-35 does not have any AESA, just old PESA. Russian radars always were very vulnerable to EW.

Sorry but your comment is so juvenile I am so surprised but not really. Beyond Egyptian capabilities? And arrogance on top of that but you Israelis are known for that and that's what you got slapped silly in 1973. I remember the one-eyed-bandit so confident after 1967 that when October 6th launched, while he was soiling his pants in disbelief, he said this was the end of the 3rd temple or something like that? WWII radio LMFAO! That is so funny it's not even insulting!

There were no any groundbreaking technologies in 1973, just insane numbers. BTW Arabs shot down more of their own aicraft than Israeli in that war. At sea thanks to newly developed jamming Russian radars were totally blinded. And 9 years later Russian SAMs were totaly crashed in Lebanon.

You obviously know nothing about it and talk about your parents working decades ago in Russia is fine but means absolutely nothing, no disrespect.

When my parents worked there it was mighty USSR - second economy in the world, with enormous defence budget, which banned any specialists from emigration.

Modern Russia is 11th economy with small military budget and huge brain drain. You seriously think they managed somehow to catch up the USA?

 

[Gomig-21]

Later on they mixed up civilian airliners with Israeli F-16s which left.

You know very well if the Russians wanted to shoot down your F-16s, they would've made a mess of those things! They left most of the AD handling to the Syrians who apparently might've had some success.

Su-35 does not have any AESA, just old PESA. Russian radars always were very vulnerable to EW.

Not on the new Su-35SE, it's a modernized PESA and I already told you it also has AESA radars on its wings. That's what makes it deadly. Sukhoi has invested a lot in upgrading that radar it's a brand new system. Not the old ones you're talking about. 400km range is no joke. But you can keep making it sound like it's a bad thing, that's ok. That's actually a good thing.

There were no any groundbreaking technologies in 1973, just insane numbers. BTW Arabs shot down more of their own aicraft than Israeli in that war.

LOLOLOL! Wow, you used to make a lot better sense and arguments. That's just ridiculous LOL.

When my parents worked there it was mighty USSR - second economy in the world, with enormous defence budget, which banned any specialists from emigration.

Modern Russia is 11th economy with small military budget and huge brain drain. You seriously think they managed somehow to catch up the USA?

It's not all about catching up. It's about doing things differently and countering other systems. You're looking at things from a very simplistic POV.

 

[500]

You know very well if the Russians wanted to shoot down your F-16s, they would've made a mess of those things! They left most of the AD handling to the Syrians who apparently might've had some success.

They tried and shot down own Il-20.

Not on the new Su-35SE, it's a modernized PESA and I already told you it also has AESA radars on its wings. That's what makes it deadly. Sukhoi has invested a lot in upgrading that radar it's a brand new system. Not the old ones you're talking about. 400km range is no joke. But you can keep making it sound like it's a bad thing, that's ok. That's actually a good thing.

There is no Su-35SE.

LOLOLOL! Wow, you used to make a lot better sense and arguments. That's just ridiculous LOL.

In 1973 war Israel lost 102 aicraft, Arabs - about 350. Large part of these 350 were friendly fire.

It's not all about catching up. It's about doing things differently and countering other systems. You're looking at things from a very simplistic POV.

Where are Russian electronic marwels? USSR always lagged 15-10 years behind the US, now its more.

 

[Gomig-21]

They tried and shot down own Il-20.

lol
Russia has said Syria shot down one of its military planes - but laid the blame for the deaths of the 15 personnel on board with Israel.

The defense ministry said Israeli jets put the Il-20 plane into the path of Syrian air defense systems on Monday after failing to give Moscow enough warning of a strike on Syrian targets.

The Il-20 disappeared off the radar at about 23:00 local time (20:00 GMT).
The Israel Defense Force (IDF) has expressed "sorrow" over the deaths.

However, in a statement released on Twitter, it added: "Israel holds the [Syrian President Bashar al-]Assad regime, whose military shot down the Russian plane, fully responsible for this incident."

Russia blames Israel after military plane shot down off Syria - BBC News

There is no Su-35SE.

It's the Su-35S and the E is for Egypt.

In 1973 war Israel lost 102 aicraft, Arabs - about 350. Large part of these 350 were friendly fire.

Absurd, completely absurd and actually takes away from your own success in shooting down Arab aircraft, mostly in dogfights but once the US sent TOWs, a portion of EAF aircraft fighting at the canal zone near the 3rd army zone were shot down with those, including the one Mi-17 that flew over Dayan's group and hand dropped a bomb and missed him by a smidge, shortly shot down by a TOW missile. There were a few MiG-21s that ran out of fuel because they barely hold enough even with tanks and pilots had to bail because dogfights and missions ran longer. There were also several malfunctions etc., but friendly fire to account for a large percentage of whatever the real number is, is false.

Where are Russian electronic marwels? USSR always lagged 15-10 years behind the US, now its more.

You gotta follow the developments and you'll see them.

 

[500]

lol
Russia has said Syria shot down one of its military planes - but laid the blame for the deaths of the 15 personnel on board with Israel.

The defense ministry said Israeli jets put the Il-20 plane into the path of Syrian air defense systems on Monday after failing to give Moscow enough warning of a strike on Syrian targets.

The Il-20 disappeared off the radar at about 23:00 local time (20:00 GMT).
The Israel Defense Force (IDF) has expressed "sorrow" over the deaths.

However, in a statement released on Twitter, it added: "Israel holds the [Syrian President Bashar al-]Assad regime, whose military shot down the Russian plane, fully responsible for this incident."

Russia blames Israel after military plane shot down off Syria - BBC News

I already posted what happened there. And here is the timing:

9:40 - Israeli F-16s drop bombs and fly away.
10:04 - Il-20 shot down.

So it was shot down when F-16s were landing in Israel.

It's the Su-35S and the E is for Egypt.

Thats just downgraded export version, No any AESA there.

Absurd, completely absurd and actually takes away from your own success in shooting down Arab aircraft, mostly in dogfights but once the US sent TOWs, a portion of EAF aircraft fighting at the canal zone near the 3rd army zone were shot down with those, including the one Mi-17 that flew over Dayan's group and hand dropped a bomb and missed him by a smidge, shortly shot down by a TOW missile. There were a few MiG-21s that ran out of fuel because they barely hold enough even with tanks and pilots had to bail because dogfights and missions ran longer. There were also several malfunctions etc., but friendly fire to account for a large percentage of whatever the real number is, is false.

TOWs were sent in the end of the war, did not play any role.

You gotta follow the developments and you'll see them.

Afraid wont happen in my life.

 

[Gomig-21]

Thats just downgraded export version, No any AESA there.

lol, cam-on, maaaaan!!! Oh and I suppose all of our Rafales are downgraded also and don't have the RBE2 AESA radar in them, right? lmao. So if all the Rafales have one of the BEST radars in any jet flying today, why the frig would the Russians deny us their wing-mounted AESA radars or better yet, why would we EVER accept that? You see how it's only wishful thinking on your part?

They are part of the production of the aircraft. There is no downgrading whatsoever. This is the Su-35S which is what the VVS operates, look it up. It has AESA radars on it's leading edge wing flaps that have close to 200km range and you will see them on the EAF jets once they start showing pics.

If they didn't have them, there would be 2 differences; it wouldn't be called the S model and called something else and Egypt wouldn't be buying them because there is no reason for Russia to downgrade anything on the S model for Egypt and Egypt is done with downgraded crap. Stop convincing yourself of the same old baloney lines. Those days are OVER unless we order US jets which we will not anymore. In order to purchase the Su-35S, it needs to be the best Super Flanker as is which is the Su-35S. Nothing is changed.

We've gone through all of these details on the Egyptian Armed Forces thread including the press conference from the Sukhoi rep who explained everything about the Su-35S coming to Egypt and nothing is downgraded lol. We don't accept that crap anymore, these are new times you need to get used to it.

The only thing that we don't know yet is if the R-37M is included in the package and if it is, will they set the range for 300km on it or not. The rest of your post is just back and forth stuff.

 

[500]

lol, cam-on, maaaaan!!! Oh and I suppose all of our Rafales are downgraded also and don't have the RBE2 AESA radar in them, right? lmao. So if all the Rafales have one of the BEST radars in any jet flying today, why the frig would the Russians deny us their wing-mounted AESA radars or better yet, why would we EVER accept that? You see how it's only wishful thinking on your part?

They are part of the production of the aircraft. There is no downgrading whatsoever. This is the Su-35S which is what the VVS operates, look it up. It has AESA radars on it's leading edge wing flaps that have close to 200km range and you will see them on the EAF jets once they start showing pics.

If they didn't have them, there would be 2 differences; it wouldn't be called the S model and called something else and Egypt wouldn't be buying them because there is no reason for Russia to downgrade anything on the S model for Egypt and Egypt is done with downgraded crap. Stop convincing yourself of the same old baloney lines. Those days are OVER unless we order US jets which we will not anymore. In order to purchase the Su-35S, it needs to be the best Super Flanker as is which is the Su-35S. Nothing is changed.

We've gone through all of these details on the Egyptian Armed Forces thread including the press conference from the Sukhoi rep who explained everything about the Su-35S coming to Egypt and nothing is downgraded lol. We don't accept that crap anymore, these are new times you need to get used to it.

The only thing that we don't know yet is if the R-37M is included in the package and if it is, will they set the range for 300km on it or not. The rest of your post is just back and forth stuff.

I could not find any source about Su-35 with AESA radars. Even as project. Although Russians love to boast about their wonder weapons a lot.

 

[Mk-313]

Can Turkey upgrade all of PAF’s F-16 to block 52? Or even better F-16V standard?

it always depend on what kind of contract you had with the Lockheed Martin. and what kind of risk were attributed to you by state department befor handing approval to LM.

Turkey being a NATO member does not attest the risk of technology being stolen or given to adversary so they must have full approval to do whatever the **** they want with the birds

 

[Gomig-21]

I could not find any source about Su-35 with AESA radars. Even as project. Although Russians love to boast about their wonder weapons a lot.

Here's one. I translated but when I copy/pasted it, it went back to Turkish, I think. But there are several links off the bottom link I posted. Nothing proves it more than the assembly line photo. But you're Russian origin you should be able to read it, if not, I'm sure you can use google translate and get it in English or Hebrew. Roughly 200km range add that to the impressive IRBIS-E and IRST and the Su-35SE has quite a few options include BVR weaponry.


Su-35S L-Band Kanat Radarı N036B-1-01 ve N036 Byelka Radar

Byelka’nı Aktif Faz Dizinli (AESA) radarı benzeri nano-teknoloji unsurları ile geliştirdiği N036 Byelka / N036B-1-01 Su-57 için geliştirilmiş bir radar sisteminin SU-35S’ye uyarlanmış 2 bileşenidir ve pilotun farkındalığını artırmaktadır. N036B-1-01 radarının teknolojisinin en büyük özelliği düşük görünürlüklü uçakların aşil topuğu olan L-Band ile çalışmasıdır. Çünkü F-22 ve F-35 gibi uçakların radar dalgalarını emerek yansıtmayan ve belli süreler ile yenilenmesi gereken RAM (Radar Absorbent Structure) kaplamaları sadece X-Band radarlara karşı yansıma sağlamayacak şekilde geliştirilmiştir.



Buradaki soru, N036B-1-01 L- Band karşısında görünür olan F-22 ve F-35’e karşı neden burun radarı olarak L-Band kullanılmıyor. Çünkü L-Band radarları çok düşük frekanslı radarlardır ve silahlara hedefleme veya rehberlik sağlayacak kadar doğruluklu ve güçlü değildir. Bunun için hala daha yüksek frekanslı X-Band gibi bir radara ihtiyacınız var.



N036B-1-01 L-band antenlerin birkaç problemi var:
1. Sadece mesafe ve yatağı belirleyebilir, yüksekliği belirleyemezler.
2. Modern radarlar kendisine L-Band aydınlatma yapıldığını, kendi tespit edilmeden çok uzaktan algılayabilir (aynı şey herhangi bir radar için de geçerlidir)
3. HARM (Yüksek Hızlı Anti-Radar Füzesi) özellikleri ile donatılmış yeni nesil AA (hava-hava) füzeleri bu frekansları da hedefleyecek şekilde geliştirilmiştir.

Su-35’lerin taktiği; düşük görünürlüklü uçak tehdidini (F-22, F-35) keşfetmek için maksimum 200km menzilli L-band radarını kullanmak, eğer bir bulgu saptanırsa gökyüzünün bu kısmını taramak için daha hassas Irbis X-band radarlarını IRST ile birlikte kullanmaktır. Bunun dışında sistem dost-düşman (IFF) sistemi olarak da kullanılabilmektedir. Ayrıca bazı Su-35’ler N012 kuyruk radarına da sahiptir fakat kaç uçağın arkadan yaklaşan düşman uçaklarını tespit etmek için bu radarlar ile donatıldığı açıklanmamaktadır.



Obviously you didn't really look for it lol.

Several more off this Google page.

su-35 l band aesa wing radar - Bing images

 

[Oublious]

LoL, thats Hakan Kilic article about SU-35. I think google translater make a error, he says 'like' AESA radar in the begin. And when you read the article you can understand that it is not AESA radar. He make a logic point, why is the radar on the wings and not on te nose? The question he point out tells you that it is not AESA.

 

[Gomig-21]

LoL, thats Hakan Kilic article about SU-35. I think google translater make a error, he says 'like' AESA radar in the begin. And when you read the article you can understand that it is not AESA radar. He make a logic point, why is the radar on the wings and not on te nose? The question he point it out tells you that it is not AESA.

L-band is AESA. All those other links will say the same thing. "Like AESA"? lol. Whatever that means. This hasn't really been well known about the Su-35S until recently and the Su-57 will also have the same set up while probably a more improved version.

Plenty of other links at the bottom of that post to support that.

 

[Gomig-21]

Here's another one.

RADARS:
The Su-35S has 3 powerful and advanced radars.

An ESA (hybrid between PESA and AESA) X-band radar called N035 Irbis-E, is currently the most powerful radar in the world, with a range of 400km for an aircraft with RCS 3m ^ 2 located on the nose of the fighter, this radar can detect a cruise missile and tactical UAVs of low radar signature (RCS of 0.01m ^ 2) at 90 km.

The Su-35S also has two AESA L-band radars in the wing extensions, the N035L, these AESA radars have as their main function, detect Stealth aircraft (LO and VLO), in addition to acting as EW (jamming) for the enemy communications and as long-range IFF and many other functions, all this at great distances, in addition to being able to geolocate them

Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E | Fighter Jets World

Here's a great chart by Kopp for L-band antenna sizes and detection ranges.

 

[White Lion]

Egypt can not go to WAR with Israel after the Peace deal. Turkey also has a similar problem. 2023 onwards nothing would change either for Turkey as it is not the 16th or 17th century anymore. United Nation has taken precedence (diplomacy rather than war).

 

[500]

"Запросчик" - is not radar, but "requester" - part of friend or foe system.

 

[Ceylal]

I could not find any source about Su-35 with AESA radars. Even as project. Although Russians love to boast about their wonder weapons a lot.

Egypt canceled its SU35 order due to US pressure and fear of sanctions and replaced them with new batch of Rafales. Contrary to your believe , SU35 is equiped with an AESA radar. Russians weapons work when manned by good hands..you can‘t take the past and actual Israel’s neighboring armies performances as basis for your assumptions.