What's new

Air Force comparison ( Turkey - İsrael - Egypt )

F-35 is a total quantum leap. It can see F-16 block 52+ from 180 km + white F-16 will see him from 30 km. Networking and EW capabilities boost F-35 advantage even more.

And the only way different Egyptian jets can communicate with each other is radio voice messages like in WW2.
 
F-35 is a total quantum leap. It can see F-16 block 52+ from 180 km + white F-16 will see him from 30 km. Networking and EW capabilities boost F-35 advantage even more.

And the only way different Egyptian jets can communicate with each other is radio voice messages like in WW2.


Egyptian SU-35 vs İsraeli F-35
1622480330842.png




on the other hand in 2025 Turkish MIUS stealth UCAV to match with F-15 , F-16 , MIG-29M2 , Rafale , SU-35 even F-35 in the region


-- AESA Radar
-- National data link
-- GOKDOGAN networked air to air missiles
1622480475084.png
 
İndian Army has no weapons which can stop Turkish UCAVs

Indian Navy also can not stop Turkish UCAVs

btw Turkish MIUS jet engine powered stealth UCAV also enter service in 2025






MIG-21 ?

Turkish F-16s have latest technology electronics and BVR Missiles to beat İndian SU-30MKIs in BVR Combat
sorry pal, you are overestimating Turkish armed forces capabilities…
 
F-35 is a total quantum leap. It can see F-16 block 52+ from 180 km + white F-16 will see him from 30 km. Networking and EW capabilities boost F-35 advantage even more.

The F-35 hype of seeing first at standoff distances and stealth and all that will soon be tempered the minute one of them makes a mistake against some of the latest Russian L-band and OTH radars. Not only that, but some of the latest avionics in Rafales and EFT and Su-35s have shown several ways to counter stealth and all that mumbo jumbo jive. Not only that, you think EW works one way only?

And the only way different Egyptian jets can communicate with each other is radio voice messages like in WW2.

LOL! Hey @The SC , get a load of this looooool!
 
you are overestimating Turkish armed forces capabilities

or You are underestimating the capabilities of the Turkish Armed Forces


We prefer 100 UCAVs , instead of 1.000 T-90 Tanks and AKASH Air Defense Systems
which weapon in İndian Army will stop Turkish UCAVs ?
European Armies also can not stop Turkish UCAVs
,

India buys 24 MQ-9 Reaper UCAVs which can carry 8km STINGER air to air missiles
but Turkish AKINCI UCAV armed with 25-65 km BOZDOGAN-GOKDOGAN air to air missiles to hunt İndian MQ-9 UCAVs and AH-64 APACHE Attack Helicopters


even Indian Frigates ,Destroyers and Submarines are easy targets for Turkish AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs also soon MIUS jet engine powered UCAV
 
F-35 is a total quantum leap. It can see F-16 block 52+ from 180 km + white F-16 will see him from 30 km. Networking and EW capabilities boost F-35 advantage even more.

And the only way different Egyptian jets can communicate with each other is radio voice messages like in WW2.
Egyptian Rafale, Mig-35 and SU-35S have networking between each type and betweem all of them.. And some of the best EW suites and capabilities.. in the world..

This is a very ignorant comment.. at least educate yourself about the Egyptian C4I and C5I, RISC2 and Satellites.. you can even do that here in PDF in the Arab defense section.. if you are that lazy..
 
Egyptian Rafale, Mig-35 and SU-35S have networking between each type and betweem all of them.. And some of the best EW suites and capabilities.. in the world..

This is a very ignorant comment.. at least educate yourself about the Egyptian C4I and C5I, RISC2 and Satellites.. you can even do that here in PDF in the Arab defense section.. if you are that lazy..
Russian EW and networking always laged very seriously from Western counterparts.

Linking two different platforms is super complicated task. Totally out of Egypts capabilities.
The F-35 hype of seeing first at standoff distances and stealth and all that will soon be tempered the minute one of them makes a mistake against some of the latest Russian L-band and OTH radars. Not only that, but some of the latest avionics in Rafales and EFT and Su-35s have shown several ways to counter stealth and all that mumbo jumbo jive. Not only that, you think EW works one way only?



LOL! Hey @The SC , get a load of this looooool!
Russian super radars totally failed in Syria. My both parents worked in Russian microelectronics it lags decades behind the US.
 
Last edited:
UCAV can't compete with fighter.

Turkey aims to be among the first countries in the world to have an entirely artificial intelligence controlled unmanned Fighter Jet, with plans for it to take to the Turkish skies in 2023-2025


JET engine powered UCAV with low RCS like MIUS can compate with F-16 , F-15 , Rafale , Eurofighter , MIG-29M2 and SU-35 in BVR combat


-- AESA Radar
-- Artificial Intelligence Algorithms
-- 100+ km GOKDOGAN networked air to air missiles
-- Data link for network centric warfare with 600 km EIRS early warning AESA Radar , 450 km CAFRAD Naval AESA Radar also 600km PESA Radar on Boeing E-7T AEWC

-- and Airborne stand off jammer UAVs - Aircrafts will escort MIUS UCAVs

also Strategic strike , SEAD/DEAD role with 275 km SOM-J networked Cruise Missile


İf TAI develops GOKSUNGUR supersonic UCAV with speed of mach 1,4 , then good luck to enemies

and TAI TFX air superiority Fighter Jet with very low RCS in 2029 .....



Su-35 has old PESA radar and huge RCS.

therefore I am talking about JET engine powered UCAV with low RCS like MIUS which will change the balance of power in the region

F-35 and MIUS with very low RCS
 
Last edited:
Turkey without f-35s are going to be relying on f-16s for another 3 decade putting themselves in a bad position. Greece will have fifth gen aircrafts and egypt will have the best europe can offer.
 
Turkey without f-35s are going to be relying on f-16s for another 3 decade putting themselves in a bad position. Greece will have fifth gen aircrafts and egypt will have the best europe can offer.



TFX air superiority Fighter Jet

Roll out : 2023
First flight : 2025
Enter service : 2029

Length: 21 m
Wingspan: 14 m
Height: 6 m
Wing area: 60 m2
Max takeoff weight: 27,215 kg (60,000 lb)
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
Combat range: 1,100 km
Service ceiling: 17,000 m (55,000 ft)

IRFS (AESA Radar, Electronic Warfare )
Advanced Navigation Features (ICNI)
Integrated Electro-Optical Systems (IEOS)
Infrared Search and Track (IRST)
Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS)
Advanced Cockpit / Human Machine Interface


TFX will give advantage to the Turkish Airforce in the region against Rafale , SU-35 ,F-15 even F-35
1622552286798.png
 
or You are underestimating the capabilities of the Turkish Armed Forces


We prefer 100 UCAVs , instead of 1.000 T-90 Tanks and AKASH Air Defense Systems
which weapon in İndian Army will stop Turkish UCAVs ?
European Armies also can not stop Turkish UCAVs
,

India buys 24 MQ-9 Reaper UCAVs which can carry 8km STINGER air to air missiles
but Turkish AKINCI UCAV armed with 25-65 km BOZDOGAN-GOKDOGAN air to air missiles to hunt İndian MQ-9 UCAVs and AH-64 APACHE Attack Helicopters


even Indian Frigates ,Destroyers and Submarines are easy targets for Turkish AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs also soon MIUS jet engine powered UCAV
Indian chased the Brits just by shifting so to speak….I don’t think will resort to that with Turkey..Their tanks and their air force is a lot more modern that what Turkey had, their submarine are a lot more lethal…than what Turkey has…Your drone worked in Armenia, due to the lack of good defenses, same in Lybia.. Do not take these two countries as a proof that Turkey’s UCAV as unbeatable…You haven’t tried them against countries that can…Apparently Morocco bought some of them, let see how they fare against the Polisario air defenses..
 
Indian chased the Brits just by shifting so to speak….I don’t think will resort to that with Turkey..Their tanks and their air force is a lot more modern that what Turkey had, their submarine are a lot more lethal…than what Turkey has…Your drone worked in Armenia, due to the lack of good defenses, same in Lybia.. Do not take these two countries as a proof that Turkey’s UCAV as unbeatable…You haven’t tried them against countries that can…Apparently Morocco bought some of them, let see how they fare against the Polisario air defenses..


TURKS destroyed most modern British+French Navies in Galipoli front during WW1
and over 252.000 British,French,İndian,Anzac troops died in Galipoli front to fight against the TURKS



Dont compare garbage Indian Army with the 2nd strongest and most modern Army in NATO

We prefer 100 UCAVs instead of 1.000 T-90 Tanks ...... ( Tanks are easy targets )
lets try to invade Turkey then everybody will see what will happen with pathetic T-90 Tanks


and not Turkish Armed Forces but GNA used TB-2 UCAVs to destroy Russian Air Defense Systems which were used by LNA and Russian WAGNER


Turkish Armed Forces can use Turkish UCAVs easly to destroy any hostile Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

lets send whole İndian Navy including Aircraft Carriers to the Eastern Mediterranean .. then everybody will see what will happen with the İndian Navy

Turkish Armed Forces to have enough fire power to turn Egyptian+Hellenic+French Navies combined into crap of metal , if they enter Turkish EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

WTH İndian Navy ?



and Morrocco just buys TB-2 UCAVs

on the other hand Turkey to have TB-2 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs armed with even 250km SOM , KUZGUN-TJ missiles to hit any Warship in the world ... also 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles

8-30km MAM-L , MAM-T laser guided munitions , 8 km MIZRAK anti Tank Missiles to hit Tanks , Howitzers , MLRS and any air defense system in the world
 
Last edited:
Russian EW and networking always laged very seriously from Western counterparts.

Linking two different platforms is super complicated task. Totally out of Egypts capabilities.

Russian super radars totally failed in Syria. My both parents worked in Russian microelectronics it lags decades behind the US.
OK I understand..Unless your parents are teens now..and even then it is ignorance..you must be talking about 70 years ago..
Su-35 has old PESA radar and huge RCS.
That is talk based on ignorance.. or wishthinking..
 
Russian EW and networking always laged very seriously from Western counterparts.

Linking two different platforms is super complicated task. Totally out of Egypts capabilities.

Russian super radars totally failed in Syria. My both parents worked in Russian microelectronics it lags decades behind the US.

Dude, I think what has happened to you is that you've focused on Syria and especially Iran for so long that you've not bothered to actually spend some time learning the progress and investments in Egypt's radar network systems.

For you to compare the Russians in Syria trying to shoot down Israeli jets is the most absurd thing in the universe. The Russians will never shoot down Israeli jets even if you're attacking Syrian and Iranian targets. They'll let you do it all day and night. Including yourself, how many Russian Jews in Israel that Russia needs to be sensitive about?

But that doesn't dissuade them from providing the latest 3D radars to Egypt in 2 different forms and I'm just too tired to talk about the Egyptian network.

Suffice it to say that the Su-35S and all the Russian stuff is lagging way behind US-built stuff is unfathomable that someone would say anything like that. In a way I can see it because the Russians hold a lot more items closer to the vest. And BTW, the IRBIS-E radar on the Su-35SE can count the number of turbine blades in the F-35 lol. Not only that, it has AESA radars mounted on its wing-leading edged as well as its IRST. So practically 3 forms of radar including the ASEA which is a little under half the range of the IRBIS-E's 400km range.

And as far as rapid theater data sharing linkage between not only all aircraft, but naval assets, ground assets and SAM systems are on a newly developed network that has been worked on for several years because they had planned all these purchases of different aircraft. That network was limitedly unveiled in EDEX 2018. You obviously know nothing about it and talk about your parents working decades ago in Russia is fine but means absolutely nothing, no disrespect.

We've posted so much on all the new systems, all in complete revamp of the old with all new command and control centers with the latest systems to the point where they can integrate not only Russian S-300V4 to the Protivnik-GE surveillance radar with the range on 1,100 kilometers able to track at 600km but also the Resonance-NE which is actually more impressive than the former, with all the same ranges but with capabilities to share within real time throughout the entire network which ALSO includes the German-built IRST-T-SL SAM systems which have a lot listed on the patent of being able to seek out and destroy stealthy aircraft. Sorry but your comment is so juvenile I am so surprised but not really. Beyond Egyptian capabilities? And arrogance on top of that but you Israelis are known for that and that's what you got slapped silly in 1973. I remember the one-eyed-bandit so confident after 1967 that when October 6th launched, while he was soiling his pants in disbelief, he said this was the end of the 3rd temple or something like that? WWII radio LMFAO! That is so funny it's not even insulting!

Egypt and Algeria are the only ones in the Arab world using Protivnik-GE in Algeria but Egypt has both including the Resonance-NE hooked up to a vast network that shares info in real time and look at how Israel, to Iraq to 3/4 of Turkey and much more are under the watchful eyes of this phenomenally powerful radar AND surveillance systems.

1622585697567.png


I can post so much more showing linkage between all systems but you'll probably answer with some one-line with some goofy and ignorant comment that it's not worth my time at this point. This isn't your father's Egyptian military. This is a whole new generation that understands the latest and greatest of all types of warfare capabilities and I didn't even get into the locally produced radars that are blowing people away at the EDEX and the one in the UAE.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom