AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

[Mughal-Prince]

Mmr is key difference
Here With local made LCH in our hand we can add equivalent ammunition and sensors anytime.
Also we can operate them in Large Numbers due to its indigenous Nature.

15 helos that to from Us which has threat of embargo anytime
You misuse them for gernal purpose even after paying 1 billion $

I say well played USA

Aah seems some one got a hit on nerve mentioned about MMR like deal been finalised after asking our beloved neighbours and by the way keep your Indie-Geniousnes out of this thread as its about ZULU and not some cheap sh!t. We have many systems available to procure unlike earlier and we know how to manage during sanctions as most of the balongras has no idea how we manage our machines in the sky and over the ground while we were sanctioned so stop worrying about us and take a look at your big time fu(ked up project which are becoming irrelevant as time passes away we know our economics and we know how to handle all the crap which others throw at us. By the way we even juice out their crap and this time we are getting all new machines BRAND NEW ...
And who's playing well is shown as we can read our neighbours are freaking out ...

 

[Donatello]

These Helis will be used as they wish regardless of what story is spun.
Really doesnt matter though, techically we maintain a balance between two Squabblers.. Keep India "Balanced", keep Pakistan "Balanced"(if there is any word for that country).. and Keep China from having total monopoly in Pakistan.. and make some money along the way.. Win Win!.

What most people in their anger forget, that when FMF is given out and US equipment is purchased.. technically that is money back in the coffer of the United States treasury and keeps keeps hundreds if not thousands of US families in employment. Call it a subsidy if you wish.



Depends upon the program office managing it but three years probably.

Is this being paid by FMF? I am not so sure......

 

[DrWatson775]

******** mandi of Helicopters LOL Mi 35, Z10, Cobra AH1Z, Cobra F/S, Bell 412, Bell UH, Euro Fennce, Mi17, Mi8 etc feel feel Supaaa powaaaa with 8+ growth LOLzzzzzzzzzzz

8 Subs
Further talk for western sub
4 Frigates
15 AH1Z
Z10 (Under testing)
Mi 35 (Deal btw)
Testing Norinco VT Tank
Nural

Mama boooooot paisa nahe agaya hamaray paas achanak

Thank US FMF, Saudi 'loan', IMF, World Bank and General Sales Tax

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not just 15 helos!

15 AH-1Z Viper helicopters made by the Bell arm of Textron Inc., as well as 1,000 Hellfire missiles produced by Lockheed Martin Corp. and a host of other communications and training equipment with a total value of $952 million

That's a lot of firepower! Don't be sour; rejoice! Money well spent and put those new birds to use please.

American equipment is worth every penny
sometimes I think it is really a waste of time responding to clue less people who make snap judgements but I think you did the right thing by stating the obvious for the benefit of everyone.

no hardware item should be seen in isolation it is part of an entire system that make it operational and keep it running for a foreseeable future. the addition accessories that are part of the deal is what makes these VIPERS their names worth.

I am glad our relations are starting to go back to the level where Musharraf had left. Kyani/ Zardari era in terms of Pak -US relations was a disappointment and depressing.

And you might be aware of the cost per hellfire?
Just to blow up one mud house or kill a few talibunnies,too costly.
We need something like Russian MI-35 to shove a few hundred cheap bullets up Talibunnies rear ends.

if you look up the still and video footage of the areas of operation then you will realise that its not just the Mud houses that Taliban use as a hiding and fighting place. we have had to call in air and artillery strikes to take out their bunkers in the mountains and boulders.
I can assure you that our gunship pilots love the idea of spraying the 7.62mm rounds with their chain gun if they find big flock of terrorists gathered neatly in the middle of an empty and barren ground. but normally that doesnt happen.

 

[Donatello]

Lets keep this thread from getting derailed

Pakistan Army's T-129 ATAK Helicopter Deal | Updates & Discussions. | Page 85
CHINA PROVIDED Z10 HELICOPTER TO PAKISTAN | Page 34

If a member says that pak hellfire missile isnt antitank, just guide him to this thread below without derailing any other thread.It has all the ''links''
AGM-114R multi-purpose Hellfire II missile for Pakistani Vipers | Page 2

Why not just ban them?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not your rulers.....your generals to be precise!!! Quit blaming every fukup of everyone on to the rulers. Civilians don't give out a list of weapons to buy, the military does. The least you can do when you write, is to keep some honesty in your posts!! You are obviously one of IK's propagandist, like him, you all lie shamelessly and for no reason!

And by the way, its actually a good deal if you read into all details. A Viper-Z, is hell of an advanced combat helicopter. A close match to the Apaches.

I agree with your comments but you could have still able to post without the bolded part.
please avoid personal / political remarks in these discussions.
would you please edit your post?

 

[NKVD]

Aah seems some one got a hit on nerve mentioned about MMR like deal been finalised after asking our beloved neighbours and by the way keep your Indie-Geniousnes out of this thread as its about ZULU and not some cheap sh!t. We have many systems available to procure unlike earlier and we know how to manage during sanctions as most of the balongras has no idea how we manage our machines in the sky and over the ground while we were sanctioned so stop worrying about us and take a look at your big time fu(ked up project which are becoming irrelevant as time passes away we know our economics and we know how handle all the crap which others through at us. By the way we even juice out their crap and this time we are getting all new machines BRAND NEW ...
And who's playing well is shown as we can read our neighbours are freaking out ...

What was technical point in your such big BS post

Don't waste our time.

 

[Kurlang]

WASHINGTON: The US State Department has approved Pakistan’s request for a billion dollars worth of military hardware and equipment, identifying Pakistan as a country of vital importance for US foreign policy and national interests.

Diplomatic sources told Dawn Pakistan had submitted its request last year, stating that the weapons were needed for fighting insurgents in the country’s mountainous regions.

The US Defence Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale.

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“This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a country vital to US foreign policy and national security goals in South Asia,” the certification said.

“This proposed sale of helicopters and weapon systems will provide Pakistan with military capabilities in support of its counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations in South Asia,” it added.

The agency informed US lawmakers that this proposed sale would provide Pakistan with “a precision strike, enhanced survivability aircraft” that it can operate at high-altitudes.

“By acquiring this capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan, Fata, and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces,” the certification said.

The agency also assured US lawmakers that the proposed sale “will not alter the basic military balance in the region”.

It informed Congress that the State Department had approved this possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $952 million.

The notification said the government of Pakistan had requested a possible sale of 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II Missiles in containers, 36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems, 30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems, 19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems, 32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl, 17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe, 17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 Counter-measure Dispenser Sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers, 15 Joint Mission Planning Systems, and 17 M197 20mm Gun Systems.

Also included are system integration and testing, software development and integration, aircraft ferry, support equipment, spare and repair parts, tools and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, US government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and programme support.

The agency informed Congress that implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips by US government and contractor representatives to participate in programme and technical reviews, as well as training and maintenance support in the country for a period of 66 months.

It will also require three contractor representatives to reside in the country for a period of three years to support this programme.

“There will be no adverse impact on US defence readiness as a result of this proposed sale,” the certification said.

“The State Department approved a possible foreign military sale to Pakistan for helicopters and associated equipment, parts and support for an estimated cost of $952 million,” a State Department official told Dawn.

“This proposed sale of helicopters and weapon systems will provide Pakistan with military capabilities in support of its counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations,” the official said.

Published in Dawn, April 8th, 2015

 

[Mughal-Prince]

What was technical point in your such big BS post

A Rant for a Rant but sensible in nature and explained wisely absolutely above your level and you are unable to comprehend as your reply shows.

Don't waste our time.

Aahhaa who the hell I am to wast your time ?? In fact you yourself wasting your time posting NOTHING BUT HORSE SH!T and asking for technical points in reply what a retard .

 

[araz]

The T700-GE-401 and T700-GE-401C turboshaft engines, rated in the 2,000-shaft-horsepower class, are significantly more powerful than the engines of other manufacture powering earlier models of the H-1 series helicopters. The T700-GE-401C that powers the UH-1Y is a newer, more capable version of the T700-GE-401, offering eight percent more power. The T700-GE-401C is under consideration to power the AH-1Z in addition to the UH-1Y.

The T700-GE-401 and T700-GE-401C engines, combined with a new four-blade main rotor system, significantly increase the AH-1Z and UH-1Y payload and range capabilities. Further, based on an overall 85 percent commonality between the UH-1Y and AH-1Z aircraft, the Marine Corps expects to save $3 billion in operating and support costs over the 30-year expected life of the aircraft.

My guess is and its totally a guess that these engines will be used to upgrade the older cobras.

They specifically use the word 30 installed with 2 spares. I think it is just the way they are describing the product.I maybe wrong but 8 think this is what the confusion is.
Araz

 

[Areesh]

15 AH1Z and 1000 Hellfire missiles have already done their job. A lot of bharati rat's as$ is on fire at Bharat Rickshaw forum.

 

[cabatli_53]

Defense Security Cooperation Agency







ASHINGTON, Apr 6, 2015 – The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan for AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $952 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 15 AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters, 32 T-700 GE 401C Engines (30 installed and 2 spares), 1000 AGM-114 R Hellfire II Missiles in containers, 36 H-1 Technical Refresh Mission computers, 17 AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems, 30 629F-23 Ultra High Frequency/Very High Frequency Communication Systems, 19 H-764 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems, 32 Helmet Mounted Display/Optimized Top Owl, 17 APX-117A Identification Friend or Foe, 17 AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems, 17 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Sets, 18 AN/APR-39C(V)2 Radar Warning Receivers, 15 Joint Mission Planning Systems, and 17 M197 20mm Gun Systems. Also included are system integration and testing, software development and integration, aircraft ferry, support equipment, spare and repair parts, tools and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated cost is $952 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a country vital to U.S. foreign policy and national security goals in South Asia.

This proposed sale of helicopters and weapon systems will provide Pakistan with military capabilities in support of its counterterrorism and counter-insurgency operations in South Asia.

This proposed sale will provide Pakistan with a precision strike, enhanced survivability aircraft that it can operate at high-altitudes. By acquiring this capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency (NWA), the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day-and-night environments. Pakistan will have no difficulty absorbing these helicopters into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be Bell Helicopter, Textron in Fort Worth, Texas; General Electric in Lynn, Massachusetts; The Boeing Company in Huntsville, Alabama; and Lockheed Martin in Bethesda, Maryland. There are no known offset agreements proposed in conjunction with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips by U.S. Government and contractor representatives to participate in program and technical reviews, as well as training and maintenance support in country for a period of 66 months. It will also require three contractor representatives to reside in country for a period of three years to support this program.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

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its great official sir jee
Pakistan - AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency



here is PDF file
http://www.dsca.mil/sites/default/files/mas/pakistan_15-05.pdf

I didn't see any sentence regarding 2,75 inch guided missile permission on DSCA. I think If This deal take place, Pakistan will certainly need a 70mm missile system to be perfectly suited on COIN operations instead of using an expensive missile system like HellFire on moving soft targets and There are a few solution in that missile sector.

 

[My-Analogous]

Pakistan - AH-1Z Viper Attack Helicopters and AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

AGM-114R Hellfire II Missiles have utility against terrorists NOT against TANKS

It is multipurpose missile and can be used against Tanks also and it replace all previous variants of hell fire

The latest Hellfire variant is the AGM-114R multi–purpose Hellfire II missile, (aka Hellfire Romeo). According to the U.S. Army, the AGM-114R will replace all other Hellfire II missile configurations (K/N/M/P). The AGM-114R consolidates the capabilities of all previous Hellfire missile variants. It is equipped with semi–active laser (SAL) seekers into a single missile capable of defeating a broad range of targets. The AGM-114R can be launched from multiple air, sea and ground platforms, autonomously or with remote designation. From pre-launch to detonation, the AGM-114R employs a range of technological improvements that boost its effectiveness and utility. The AGM-114R features a three–axis inertial measurement unit, which enables properly equipped launch platforms to engage targets to the side and behind without maneuvering into position. The AGM-114R can be launched from higher altitudes than previous variants due to its enhanced guidance system and improved navigation capabilities. A new multi–purpose warhead enables the missile to defeat hard, soft and enclosed targets, which allows pilots to engage many targets with a single Hellfire loadout. The Army is currently only purchasing this variant.

AGM-114 Hellfire Missile | Variants, AGM-114R, Budget/Costs, Specs

"The latest Hellfire variant is the AGM-114R multi–purpose Hellfire II missile, (aka Hellfire Romeo). According to the U.S. Army, the AGM-114R will replace all other Hellfire II missile configurations (K/N/M/P). The AGM-114R consolidates the capabilities of all previous Hellfire missile variants. It is equipped with semi–active laser (SAL) seekers into a single missile capable of defeating a broad range of targets. The AGM-114R can be launched from multiple air, sea and ground platforms, autonomously or with remote designation. From pre-launch to detonation, the AGM-114R employs a range of technological improvements that boost its effectiveness and utility. The AGM-114R features a three–axis inertial measurement unit, which enables properly equipped launch platforms to engage targets to the side and behind without maneuvering into position. The AGM-114R can be launched from higher altitudes than previous variants due to its enhanced guidance system and improved navigation capabilities. A new multi–purpose warhead enables the missile to defeat hard, soft and enclosed targets, which allows pilots to engage many targets with a single Hellfire loadout. The Army is currently only purchasing this variant. "

From:-
AGM-114 Hellfire Missile | Variants, AGM-114R, Budget/Costs, Specs



More information here:
AGM-114 Hellfire II Missile - Army Technology

In short
Hellfire Romeo is a one stop missile for all types of ground targets, anti-armor or anti-talbunnies. US army will only purchase and consolidate this version in their fleet.

Sorry mate i didn't know that you already answer that

 

[MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n]

Repeating the lesson again

• Mi-35s are NOT for the Army, they most likely will be used by Special Forces as Airborne assault element.
  
• Z-10 is under evaluation, 3 of them are already in Pakistan and if their trials are successful they'll replace our old Cobras
• 15 AH-1Z Vipers deal is 'done' by the looks of it & it will be provide the high tech element in our attack heli line up.

However, i must say that i am VERY surprised at this deal, i must admit that i didn't see this one coming.

will those be bought with our money or american ? but if its our money then why did not we go with T-129s ?

 

[Kompromat]

will those be bought with our money or american ? but if its our money then why did not we go with T-129s ?

If US has cleared the sale of AH-1Z it means they refused to clear the engines for T-129

@cabatli_53