AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

[SQ8]

Here is some interesting food for thought(chew on it a bit):
Pakistan wanted AH-1Zs and eventually had to settle for Z-10s.. suddenly the Zulus are approved.. just about the same time that Pakistan is about to agree to the Yemen coalition..
Something called lobbying the US congress that other countries are good at.

 

[Tameem]

Here is some interesting food for thought(chew on it a bit):
Pakistan wanted AH-1Zs and eventually had to settle for Z-10s.. suddenly the Zulus are approved.. just about the same time that Pakistan is about to agree to the Yemen coalition..
Something called lobbying the US congress that other countries are good at.

Who says we are agreed to Yemen Coalition....stop speculation.

 

[Zarvan]

Exactly. Pakistan Army uses muscle power to kill its own citizens whether it is East Pakistan, Balochistan and in KPK. Pakistan Army created Taliban now the same people have joined the terrorist outfits inside Pakistan.

First go and get your facts right

 

[SipahSalar]

Here is some interesting food for thought(chew on it a bit):
Pakistan wanted AH-1Zs and eventually had to settle for Z-10s.. suddenly the Zulus are approved.. just about the same time that Pakistan is about to agree to the Yemen coalition..
Something called lobbying the US congress that other countries are good at.

But the USA is very very neutral on Yemen. Don't believe their statements. They are mum about their role in the coalition, their only contribution being rescue of pilots.

 

[SQ8]

Who says we are agreed to Yemen Coalition....stop speculation.

Anybody's saying has nothing to do with incentives being offered. There is NO need to stop speculation on what is essentially an issue of national independence; is Pakistan a lackey for the Saudis under the current leadership or does it now have independence of decision.

But the USA is very very neutral on Yemen. Don't believe their statements. They are mum about their role in the coalition, their only contribution being rescue of pilots.

And aerial refuelling support,
And speeding up weapons deliveries,
And providing advisers
And providing intelligence

And none of this is "mum", its pretty open.

 

[Tameem]

Anybody's saying has nothing to do with incentives being offered. There is NO need to stop speculation on what is essentially an issue of national independence; is Pakistan a lackey for the Saudis under the current leadership or does it now have independence of decision.

Look dear, you might be military genius but extremely naive politically. Ns will never ever would take this decision by his own, even if he is wanted to by heart.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

It requires new modifications, certifications, trials, new design, extra budget...etc
Not cost effective...

In other words you are saying it is better for PAA to go for a Chinese Light Attack Heli ?

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

I was quite shocked that a mere 15 heli export news has forced some forum members on other fora to go through these complex emotions


1. Denial and Isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression

I can post quotes for all the above stages of loss/grief but wont as they are other fora. I can just wish them speedy

5. Acceptance

Seriously, You people need to pipe down. You are buying just 15 Helis, not 150,hence no Indian is interested to harangue with Pakistanis on this.

They pretty much have zero consequences for Indian Army.

 

[SQ8]

Look dear, you might be military genius but extremely naive politically. Ns will never ever would take this decision by his own, even if he is wanted to by heart.

My being naive in your opinion has to with your inability to find a reason to end the speculation. Which basically means you have none, so speculate away I shall.

Seriously, You people need to pipe down. You are buying just 15 Helis, not 150,hence no Indian is interested to harangue with Pakistanis on this.

They pretty much have zero consequences for Indian Army.

Not if 90% of the population on your forums are to believed.

 

[Tameem]

My being naive in your opinion has to with your inability to find a reason to end the speculation. Which basically means you have none, so speculate away I shall.

If you didn't see the reason being a complete naive, it didn't mean its not their 'all open'....in fact you lacks a true eye instead.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Guys ! Just found this comment in DAWN, regarding sale of these helis to PA.

What do you think ?

JEFFT - about an hour ago:
"US hypocracy par excellence!! It's a self-serving attempt by offering almost obsolete Vipers to Pakistan when for well over a decade it has been asking for attack helicopters to replace its 60s vintage Cobras. The offer is being made to wean away Pakistan at a moment when it's actually evaluating the just received three Z-10 gunships from China and is negotiating with Russia for procurement of 20 Mi-35 attack helicopters".

 

[AMDR]

almost obsolete Vipers

How are they obsolete? They were just introduced to the USMC in 2010 with IAS(Mission computers, automatic flight control), HMDs, and a 3rd generation FLIR system.

 

[HRK]

How are they obsolete? They were just introduced to the USMC in 2010 with IAS(Mission computers, automatic flight control), HMDs, and a 3rd generation FLIR system.

because it is said by an 'anonymous poster at news paper site' who may not be aware what HMD or FLIR or Hell fire missile means .... so just accept it as it is posted you have no right to raise the concerns its virtual world with freedom of speech ....

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Do you think USA would be able to get the permissions of letting Pakistan have 40-50 AH-1Z's without losing on the Apache deal with the Indian's. As it is most likely the Indian's would not buy the Apache because they know that it is similar or may be slightly more advance to the AH-64E Block III's they are trying to get along with the Chinook's.

They would have to also provide assurance to the parliament regarding their ability to some how restrict Pakistan access to the Spares which is not so easy. In an earlier post I read that it would be possible for PAA to maintain these new Zulu's for 15 to 20 years easily.

The only concern is maintaining the status Quo. And the Status Quo is Pakistan possesses the required minimum that it's leadership considers is significant to silence any voice in it's security dilemma.

- Who is Zulu man ??
You asked me so i Google it and you want to know the result ??

1) A member of a South African people traditionally living mainly in KwaZulu-Natal province.
2) A code word representing the letter Z, used in radio communication.
3) relating to the Zulus or their language.

Hi,
It is better for you join some local evening comic club. You mental level suggests that youre far too behind to handle the stuff that goes around here

The US ARMY names it's helicopters after various Native American Indian Tribes.

The US NAVY names it's ships as listed:

Air Craft Carriers- US Presidents/ Admiral/ 1 A/C is required to be Enterprise
Battleships (Phased out)- States
Cruisers- Distinguished Americans, Famous battles
Destroyers- US Navy/ Marine Officers/ Enlisted
Frigates- US Navy/ Marine Officers/ Enlisted
Submarines- Fish, US Presidents, US Navy Admirals, US Politicians, Cities, States

@SvenSvensonov

 

[airmarshal]

But the USA is very very neutral on Yemen. Don't believe their statements. They are mum about their role in the coalition, their only contribution being rescue of pilots.

Not correct. They are providing intelligence to Saudis.

This is a strange fact.

Guys ! Just found this comment in DAWN, regarding sale of these helis to PA.

What do you think ?

JEFFT - about an hour ago:
"US hypocracy par excellence!! It's a self-serving attempt by offering almost obsolete Vipers to Pakistan when for well over a decade it has been asking for attack helicopters to replace its 60s vintage Cobras. The offer is being made to wean away Pakistan at a moment when it's actually evaluating the just received three Z-10 gunships from China and is negotiating with Russia for procurement of 20 Mi-35 attack helicopters".

Obsolete!!!!! These are new build helicopters. They have closed AH-1W line to start production of -1Z. This is a brand new copter with brand new avionics and systems.