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After Sukhoi 'mistake', India to go for Russian 5th-generation fighter only on full-tech transfer pact

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File photo shows aircraft Sukhoi at Aero India 2017

Highlights
  • India will ink final R&D contract for the FGFA with Russia only if there is full-scale transfer of technology.
  • Decision has been taken in order to "not repeat the mistakes" of the entire Sukhoi-30MKI jet acquisition programme.
  • IAF has been unhappy with Sukhoi because the jet lacks proper stealth.
NEW DELHI: India will go in for the multi-billion dollar joint development and production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia only if there is full-scale transfer of technology as well as "benefits" for the indigenous effort to build a futuristic stealth fighter.

Defence ministry sources say this decision has been taken at the "highest levels" in order to "not repeat the mistakes" of the entire Sukhoi-30MKI jet acquisition programme from Russia, which cost India Rs 55,717 crore without any tangible help in developing indigenous fighter-manufacturing capabilities.

"Though bulk of the 272 Sukhois (240 inducted till now) contracted from Russia have been made by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), they have been basically assembled here with imported knocked-down kits. HAL still cannot manufacture the Sukhois on its own," said a source. A HAL-made Sukhoi (around Rs 450 crore) also costs Rs 100 crore more than the price of the same jet imported from Russia.

So, despite Russian pressure to ink the long-pending final R&D contract for the FGFA, India now wants to know whether it will get good value for the estimated $25 billion it will spend to induct 127 of these single-seat jets. The two countries, incidentally, had inked the FGFA inter-governmental agreement way back in 2007, which was followed by a $295 million preliminary design contract in 2010 before the negotiations stalled.

India has now laid down two essential prerequisites for the FGFA project, apart from examining its entire cost-effectiveness. One, there should be extensive technology transfer, including the "source codes", to ensure India can in the future upgrade the fighter with integration of new weapons on its own. Two, it should directly help the indigenous FGFA project called the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), the preliminary design work for which is now under way, as was earlier reported by TOI.

"This is mandatory. A high-level committee headed by an Air Marshal from IAF, which includes an IIT Kanpur professor and former chiefs of HAL and National Aerospace Laboratories, is examining all these aspects. The government will take a call after the report is submitted in April," said the source. A swing-role FGFA basically combines advanced stealth, supercruise capability (achieving supersonic cruise speeds without use of afterburners), super-maneuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration on a single fighter.

But IAF has been unhappy with the Russian FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA because the jet lacks proper stealth and its engine does not have "enough thrust", which are among 43 critical modifications or shortcomings it pointed out earlier.
Russia, however, is now promising the Indian FGFA or the "perspective multi-role fighter" will be quite different from the Sukhoi T-50, with more powerful engines and other capabilities. Under the main R&D contract, India and Russia are supposed to contribute $4 billion each for prototype development, testing and infrastructure build-up.Deliveries of the fighters, which will cost extra, were earlier supposed to begin 94 months after it was inked.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-full-tech-transfer/articleshow/57546519.cms
 
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100cr *272=27200cr and still we haven't got anything substantial.:mad::mad:
After Sukhoi 'mistake', India to go for Russian 5th-generation fighter only on full-tech transfer pact

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File photo shows aircraft Sukhoi at Aero India 2017


NEW DELHI: India will go in for the multi-billion dollar joint development and production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia only if there is full-scale transfer of technology as well as "benefits" for the indigenous effort to build a futuristic stealth fighter.

Defence ministry sources say this decision has been taken at the "highest levels" in order to "not repeat the mistakes" of the entire Sukhoi-30MKI jet acquisition programme from Russia, which cost India Rs 55,717 crore without any tangible help in developing indigenous fighter-manufacturing capabilities.

"Though bulk of the 272 Sukhois (240 inducted till now) contracted from Russia have been made by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), they have been basically assembled here with imported knocked-down kits. HAL still cannot manufacture the Sukhois on its own," said a source. A HAL-made Sukhoi (around Rs 450 crore) also costs Rs 100 crore more than the price of the same jet imported from Russia.

So, despite Russian pressure to ink the long-pending final R&D contract for the FGFA, India now wants to know whether it will get good value for the estimated $25 billion it will spend to induct 127 of these single-seat jets. The two countries, incidentally, had inked the FGFA inter-governmental agreement way back in 2007, which was followed by a $295 million preliminary design contract in 2010 before the negotiations stalled.

India has now laid down two essential prerequisites for the FGFA project, apart from examining its entire cost-effectiveness. One, there should be extensive technology transfer, including the "source codes", to ensure India can in the future upgrade the fighter with integration of new weapons on its own. Two, it should directly help the indigenous FGFA project called the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), the preliminary design work for which is now under way, as was earlier reported by TOI.

"This is mandatory. A high-level committee headed by an Air Marshal from IAF, which includes an IIT Kanpur professor and former chiefs of HAL and National Aerospace Laboratories, is examining all these aspects. The government will take a call after the report is submitted in April," said the source. A swing-role FGFA basically combines advanced stealth, supercruise capability (achieving supersonic cruise speeds without use of afterburners), super-maneuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration on a single fighter.

But IAF has been unhappy with the Russian FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA because the jet lacks proper stealth and its engine does not have "enough thrust", which are among 43 critical modifications or shortcomings it pointed out earlier.
Russia, however, is now promising the Indian FGFA or the "perspective multi-role fighter" will be quite different from the Sukhoi T-50, with more powerful engines and other capabilities. Under the main R&D contract, India and Russia are supposed to contribute $4 billion each for prototype development, testing and infrastructure build-up.Deliveries of the fighters, which will cost extra, were earlier supposed to begin 94 months after it was inked.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-full-tech-transfer/articleshow/57546519.cms
 
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"Though bulk of the 272 Sukhois (240 inducted till now) contracted from Russia have been made by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), they have been basically assembled here with imported knocked-down kits. HAL still cannot manufacture the Sukhois on its own," said a source. A HAL-made Sukhoi (around Rs 450 crore) also costs Rs 100 crore more than the price of the same jet imported from Russia.

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(but but .... HAL make Su-30MKI in India from SCRATCH ....)
 
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When PAF examined Su-27 in the early 1990's one of the reason they turned it down was the very poor availability rate. The MKI has the best of any variant. And it sucks.
 
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Well, There is a reason why TOI articles are Shit.
If there was one factual error, i could have corrected it but then...

The Core issue Does Exist. India need Bang for the Buck.. We didnt Spare the French.. why should Russians be any Different.

When PAF examined Su-27 in the early 1990's one of the reason they turned it down was the very poor availability rate. The MKI has the best of any variant. And it sucks.

Su 27 and MKI ? Well i only only wonder why u left Su 35 from the same family which is far more closer to MKI than Su 27 !
 
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(but but .... HAL make Su-30MKI in India from SCRATCH ....)
Aaaa..Think Tank ..Think More ,Su 30 Mki got French , Israeli and Indian components which obviously more expensive while Russian version of Su 30 mki mostly got Israeli and Indian mix but french get replaced with Russian as they never allow their components to be in Russia.So many of the reason why they are expensive in India.
2> Does that stop India produce Su MKI from raw material? Ans is No,a big No beacause now even India expertised the engine AL-31F too.While we still Imports the titanium sponge from Russia due to contract even if we full capable to do it.
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=A...1EIW58QWZ0K3AAg&start=10&sa=N&biw=360&bih=616

I dont think Russia will give tot of their 5th generation plane to a usa's lapdog .


And yet they fail to make tejas a 3rd generation fighter.
Try hard kid,you will get your orgasm in PDF by night time.. :P
 
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I believe India will eventually opt for F-35 rather than PAK-FA keeping Indian increasing proximity towards US in mind. One may see more such excuses to leave the project altogether.
 
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I believe India will eventually opt for F-35 rather than PAK-FA keeping Indian increasing proximity towards US. One may see more such excuses to leave the project altogether.


Which part of post #1 seems unreasonable & an excuse from a nation thats paying good money not buying stuff on credit a loan to you ?
 
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(but but .... HAL make Su-30MKI in India from SCRATCH ....)

They are basically paying alot extra for the honour of being able to assemble Russian kits.


Its like a child giving his father money to buy him a lego set and then paying his father more money everytime he makes something out of lego
The fathers a prick but the kids just dum

In reality Russia isnt a prick but its good business but India like the kid is just plain dum, prone to fantasy, dreaming and beating his small chest on the playground
 
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After Sukhoi 'mistake', India to go for Russian 5th-generation fighter only on full-tech transfer pact

View attachment 382677
File photo shows aircraft Sukhoi at Aero India 2017


NEW DELHI: India will go in for the multi-billion dollar joint development and production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) with Russia only if there is full-scale transfer of technology as well as "benefits" for the indigenous effort to build a futuristic stealth fighter.

Defence ministry sources say this decision has been taken at the "highest levels" in order to "not repeat the mistakes" of the entire Sukhoi-30MKI jet acquisition programme from Russia, which cost India Rs 55,717 crore without any tangible help in developing indigenous fighter-manufacturing capabilities.

"Though bulk of the 272 Sukhois (240 inducted till now) contracted from Russia have been made by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), they have been basically assembled here with imported knocked-down kits. HAL still cannot manufacture the Sukhois on its own," said a source. A HAL-made Sukhoi (around Rs 450 crore) also costs Rs 100 crore more than the price of the same jet imported from Russia.

So, despite Russian pressure to ink the long-pending final R&D contract for the FGFA, India now wants to know whether it will get good value for the estimated $25 billion it will spend to induct 127 of these single-seat jets. The two countries, incidentally, had inked the FGFA inter-governmental agreement way back in 2007, which was followed by a $295 million preliminary design contract in 2010 before the negotiations stalled.

India has now laid down two essential prerequisites for the FGFA project, apart from examining its entire cost-effectiveness. One, there should be extensive technology transfer, including the "source codes", to ensure India can in the future upgrade the fighter with integration of new weapons on its own. Two, it should directly help the indigenous FGFA project called the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), the preliminary design work for which is now under way, as was earlier reported by TOI.

"This is mandatory. A high-level committee headed by an Air Marshal from IAF, which includes an IIT Kanpur professor and former chiefs of HAL and National Aerospace Laboratories, is examining all these aspects. The government will take a call after the report is submitted in April," said the source. A swing-role FGFA basically combines advanced stealth, supercruise capability (achieving supersonic cruise speeds without use of afterburners), super-maneuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration on a single fighter.

But IAF has been unhappy with the Russian FGFA called Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA because the jet lacks proper stealth and its engine does not have "enough thrust", which are among 43 critical modifications or shortcomings it pointed out earlier.
Russia, however, is now promising the Indian FGFA or the "perspective multi-role fighter" will be quite different from the Sukhoi T-50, with more powerful engines and other capabilities. Under the main R&D contract, India and Russia are supposed to contribute $4 billion each for prototype development, testing and infrastructure build-up.Deliveries of the fighters, which will cost extra, were earlier supposed to begin 94 months after it was inked.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...h-full-tech-transfer/articleshow/57546519.cms
As if e are so capable in dovoloping gen5 fighter by our own.
 
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I believe India will eventually opt for F-35 rather than PAK-FA keeping Indian increasing proximity towards US. One may see more such excuses to leave the project altogether.

Ever since Secy Hillary Clinton visited India to push for F-35, it was clear there was no way for India to select anything else as the major fighter ac. India is deep into the Yankee's pocket to make independent decision in such crucial deals.
 
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Ever since Secy Hillary Clinton visited India to push for F-35, it was clear there was no way for India to select anything else as the major fighter ac. India is deep into the Yankee's pocket to make independent decision in such crucial deals.

Their defense department has already said that India has 99% accessibility to US arms once the defense pact was signed.
 
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Ever since Secy Hillary Clinton visited India to push for F-35, it was clear there was no way for India to select anything else as the major fighter ac. India is deep into the Yankee's pocket to make independent decision in such crucial deals.

Were you Sleeping when India REJECTED F18s ( and Then F16s ) while going ahead for 36 ( actually its over 150 ) Rafales ?

Their defense department has already said that India has 99% accessibility to US arms once the defense pact was signed.

Logistics Pact <> Defence Pact for Weapons

Apply Logic, Even Israel CANNOT access F22s , Pakistan CANNOT access J20 !
 
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