After Sukhoi 'mistake', India to go for Russian 5th-generation fighter only on full-tech transfer pa

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

We are going back to the days of the Cold War abut there will be a reversal in previous alliances. This time it will be the USA and India who will be facing off the Russians and the Chinese, with Pakistan in the Sino-Russian sphere. A few years ago denying this alignment may have made sense or was arguable but there are just too many signs that that is the way things are going. Its becoming inevitable. Neither India nor Russia trust each other the way they once did. The Indians seem happy about that, doesnt mean the Russians are. They have done a lot for India over the last 70 years. More than USA did for Pakistan and the Russians didnt demand much from the Indians, unlike the do more we Pakistanis had to do for America. Modi has made his intentions very very clear. He wants India firmly in the Western camp as a strategic ally. There is no way the Russians will accept that. The Indians are in full reversal mode with their Russian relationship. They have to do this if they want a seat at the table with the Americans.

During the cold war, India represented some value for Russia to counter China so Russia was willing to arm India with sophisticated weapons to counter China, nowadays China-Russia get along pretty well while India is joining Russia's foe, even if India is not a thread to Russia but it didn't help Russia when they most need it especially when Russia defense industries are on the bad shape, any penny India spend on US arm such P-8, C-17, Apache...mean less and less for Russia...and now they expect Russia to TOT .

 

[NakedLunch]

During the cold war, India represented some value for Russia to counter China so Russia was willing to arm India with sophisticated weapons to counter China, nowadays China-Russia get along pretty well while India is joining Russia's foe, even if India is not a thread to Russia but it didn't help Russia when they most need it especially when Russia defense industries are on the bad shape, any penny India spend on US arm such P-8, C-17, Apache...mean less and less for Russia...and now they expect Russia to TOT .

Give it a little more time, Putin will be spitting blood when he sees what the Indians are about to do. LOL!

 

[Chanakyaa]

During the cold war, India represented some value for Russia to counter China so Russia was willing to arm India with sophisticated weapons to counter China, nowadays China-Russia get along pretty well while India is joining Russia's foe, even if India is not a thread to Russia but it didn't help Russia when they most need it especially when Russia defense industries are on the bad shape, any penny India spend on US arm such P-8, C-17, Apache...mean less and less for Russia...and now they expect Russia to TOT .

Are you sure ? Sometimes Masturbation kills Neurons.

http://russia-insider.com/en/china-fears-it-merely-russias-plan-b/ri15401

Freinds or NO Freinds.
Russia and India DONT Cross each other's Lines. They never will.

International Politics has ALWAYS been about SELF and SELF alone.

Hints :

- Israel Attacked US
- France gave Nukes to Israel and THEN to Iraq !
- For Pakistan, China remain mum in 71, 84 , 88 and 1999
- Israel tries to sell AWACS to China , depiste being a STRONG US ally.

Do you smell the coffee ?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Are you sure ? Sometimes Masturbation kills Neurons.

http://russia-insider.com/en/china-fears-it-merely-russias-plan-b/ri15401

Freinds or NO Freinds.
Russia and India DONT Cross each other's Lines. They never will.

International Politics has ALWAYS been about SELF and SELF alone.

Hints :

- Israel Attacked US
- France gave Nukes to Israel and THEN to Iraq !
- For Pakistan, China remain mum in 71, 84 , 88 and 1999
- Israel tries to sell AWACS to China , depiste being a STRONG US ally.

Do you smell the coffee ?

I has never said that India cross Russia's line, I merely said that India's cozy with Russia foe will have some unpredictable consequence and if you think that international politic is like emotionless robot of self interest than you make an huge mistake: human always has emotion more or less: such as resentful that your friend not buy your stuff but buy from your enemy.

After spending billions to buy US military weapons and left Russia empty handed, now Indians are masturbing with an Idea to get Russia for TOT?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

- Rafale is our best bet , the First Line of Defence AGAINST China. Its the ONLY thing they cannot match ( till 2022 ) and we shall still have something comparable when the J20s arrive.

LOL by 2022?

Haven't you seen the news? J-20's are already being inducted in the Chinese Airforce with WS-15 engines.

 

[Taygibay]

LOL by 2022?

Haven't you seen the news? J-20's are already being inducted in the Chinese Airforce with WS-15 engines.

Our Celestial friend is very right about ...
it taking more than five years for the J-20
to mature into reliability on engines but also
the yet discreet sensor suite, radar, EW, etc.

But XiNiX is ( temporarily was ) a rare pessimist
Indian about timespans. Rafale can hold the
fort until 2024+, when the mid-life update comes.


All the best to you and yours, Tay.

 

[Storm Force]

IM STICKING TO MY STORY

Without big orders either from China or India the Russian aerospace industry will shrink to also ran

They are slowly but surely losing the Indian market to

France
Israel
Usa
Indian indengious weapons

This trend will continue

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[The SC]

I believe India will eventually opt for F-35 rather than PAK-FA keeping Indian increasing proximity towards US in mind. One may see more such excuses to leave the project altogether.

Thought the same thing.. India might be asking what it knows is impossible, just to break the deal and go for the F-35.. it might also buy some off the shelf PAK-FA like it did with the Rafale..

 

[Ultima Thule]

LOL by 2022?

Haven't you seen the news? J-20's are already being inducted in the Chinese Airforce with WS-15 engines.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Read it and weep.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ighter-flies-fighting-forces-says-state-media

China’s latest stealth fighter, the J-20, is serving in the People’s Liberation Army air force, according to state media.

The report said the new aircraft had joined joint drills with troops, rocket forces and the navy.

A source close to the PLA said the J-20s were all equipped with home-made WS-15 engines, but because the engine had not entered mass production, only a few J-20s were available for service.

“There are still a series of technical problems that need to be tackled [on the J-20], including the reliability of its WS-15 engines, [and the plane’s] control system, stealth coat and hull materials and infrared sensor,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Read it and weep.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ighter-flies-fighting-forces-says-state-media

China’s latest stealth fighter, the J-20, is serving in the People’s Liberation Army air force, according to state media.

The report said the new aircraft had joined joint drills with troops, rocket forces and the navy.

A source close to the PLA said the J-20s were all equipped with home-made WS-15 engines, but because the engine had not entered mass production, only a few J-20s were available for service.

“There are still a series of technical problems that need to be tackled [on the J-20], including the reliability of its WS-15 engines, [and the plane’s] control system, stealth coat and hull materials and infrared sensor,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

Thank you sir but in J-20 thread @ChineseTiger1986 says that ground testing is complete for WS-15 and started air testing on IL-76 test-bed late 2016 and he also says in that thread J-20 currently using hybrid version of WS-10 with core of WS-15

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Thank you sir but in J-20 thread @ChineseTiger1986 says that ground testing is complete for WS-15 and started air testing on IL-76 test-bed late 2016 and he also says in that thread J-20 currently using hybrid version of WS-10 with core of WS-15

Our SCMP is quoting a PLA source, so you can believe what you want.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Our SCMP is quoting a PLA source, so you can believe what you want.

I am Really confused ok sir you are right

 

[#hydra#]

Pathetic, Indian govt is still sleeping on j20 issues.

 

[帅的一匹]

Pathetic, Indian govt is still sleeping on j20 issues.

China does not interested in invading you, so take your time. Give money to those poors and those who need help. Dont run arm race with China.

J20 is designed to deal with USA. I hope India will not get himself involved in. If you are deploying Rafale along Chinese border, you are inviting J20 to counter deployment.