After Islamophobic Hate Crime in New York City, Mayor Wants Public to ‘Keep

[v9s]

No. Just because in eyes of US people Pakistan is where OBL was found and back stabbed US, Indians may distance themselves from Pakistanis.

Tell me one thing, do you think a middle class Indian will go through constant harassment just because he is mistaken as a Pakistani, what will he do ?

Don't give a moral answer, give a practical one. Survival instinct will force him to say that He is not a Pakistani.

If US is Islamophobic, and people are targeting and harassing Muslims, do you think a practical person will take a moral high ground or follow his/her survival instinct to differentiate himself from Muslims.

Problem is you are not looking at what happens when someone is at gun-point or facing discrimination. They won't preach Love All, Respect all at that time. They will simply try to clear the confusion.

Agreed.

But:

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Btw, I want only people of Indian origin to be identified properly so that they don;t have to suffer because of other people's fallacies and deeds.

Like I said before, these types of thugs don't care to differentiate in the first place. They don't care about the difference between East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterners, etc.

For example, the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple was an Army Veteran who had been to the place many times before in order to plan the attack. There is no way that he thought they were Muslims (especially with the words "Sikh Temple" on the front gate), and the truth is he didn't care.

 

[Developereo]

Buddy I am talking about attacks in India. Not attacks in other countries.

OK. I thought the conversation was about the Indian/Pakistani communities in NY. Never mind.

I didn't say distinguish with them.

Not you; some other Indians keep saying it.

I said there is no difference in eyes of paranoid US citizens who thinks all South Asians as terrorists just because they look similar.

And what I am saying is that terrorism is just the latest excuse. The skinheads in England didn't need 9/11; the neo-Nazis don't need 9/11; all the hate crimes against other groups don't use 9/11 as an excuse.

So, when some Hindus/Sikhs believe that "educating" people about the differences from Muslims will somehow reduce hate crimes against them, it won't. The only thing it will do is create bad blood between the minority communities, but the bigots won't care either way.

 

[jbond197]

You just used Two Nation Theory on them. Nice shot.

I used it because that is the truth. God knows why they are fighting if we want to identify differently? Where as on any other thread they try to prove how different than Indians they are? I seriously am not able to understand these people. They are so confused that they don't know who they are and what they want.

 

[KRAIT]

Agreed.
But:
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Cite these lines when you are in middle of a riot. They will ask you are you Hindu or Muslim.

Also cite this when a dis-grunted ex-US soldier who has lost his friends in WoT, put a gun on your head and ask you whether you are a Hindu or Muslim, Indian or Afghani.

When chips are down, these morals and ethics goes to a long vacation.

 

[KRAIT]

OK. I thought the conversation was about the Indian/Pakistani communities in NY. Never mind.
Not you; some other Indians keep saying it.
And what I am saying is that terrorism is just the latest excuse. The skinheads in England didn't need 9/11; the neo-Nazis don't need 9/11; all the hate crimes against other groups don't use 9/11 as an excuse.
So, when some Hindus/Sikhs believe that "educating" people about the differences from Muslims will somehow reduce hate crimes against them, it won't. The only thing it will do is create bad blood between the minority communities, but the bigots won't care either way.

I know there were such groups active in US, England etc. but now they are getting support from paranoid people. They are now getting more followers. This racist movement is on rise because of these attacks. Remember paranoia and rumors spread faster than anything.

People even refused to travel in flights when they see Arab person boarding a plane. The paranoia is touching new heights.

 

[jbond197]

Like I said before, these types of thugs don't care to differentiate in the first place. They don't care about the difference between East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterners, etc.

For example, the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple was an Army Veteran who had been to the place many times before in order to plan the attack. There is no way that he thought they were Muslims (especially with the words "Sikh Temple" on the front gate), and the truth is he didn't care.

I was talking more about approaching the govt to help us with this issue. I know it will not stop these hate crimes from happening but at least it could help reducing the attacks.

 

[KRAIT]

Like I said before, these types of thugs don't care to differentiate in the first place. They don't care about the difference between East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterners, etc.
For example, the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple was an Army Veteran who had been to the place many times before in order to plan the attack. There is no way that he thought they were Muslims (especially with the words "Sikh Temple" on the front gate), and the truth is he didn't care.

When a person is in anger and emotionally destabilized because he sees all the terrorists attack belongs to same community, he looses rationality and logic, the difference between many communities becomes almost negligible and he starts blaming all other communities. Sikh from South east Asia, Muslim from Pakistan or Hindu from India, this hate removes are the distinction for him.

When they get rid of South east Asian, they will target some other community.

 

[JayAtl]

Like I said before, these types of thugs don't care to differentiate in the first place. They don't care about the difference between East Asians, South Asians, Middle Easterners, etc.

For example, the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple was an Army Veteran who had been to the place many times before in order to plan the attack. There is no way that he thought they were Muslims (especially with the words "Sikh Temple" on the front gate), and the truth is he didn't care.

he was discharged from the army after a few years, many years ago and was an ignorant redneck who did not know the difference . He did not kill them because he thought they were anything but turban wearing afghans or alike

 

[Don Jaguar]

List of ethnic groups in the United States by annual household income.

1. Indian : $90,525

2. South African : $80,786

3. Filipino : $79,336

4. Australian : $74,341

5. Taiwanese : $73,596

6. Russian : $71,333

7. Sri Lankan : $67,683

8. Chinese : $67,3325

9. Austrian : $66,460

10. Japanese : $65,573

11. Israeli : $64,639

12. Swiss : $63,172

13. Luxembourgian : $61,926

14. Pakistani : $61,363

15. Indonesian : $59,326

16. German : $58,617

17. Arab : $55,166

18. Laotian : $54,618

19. Dutch : $53,985

20. Vietnamese : $53,579

21. Korean : $51,476

US average : $51,222

22. Thai : $50,787

23. Cambodian : $48,854

24. Bangladeshi : $48,711

25. Hmong : $46,666

26. American : $46,427

27. Afghan : $42,682

28. Hispanic or Latino : $40,914

29. Mexican : $40,040

30. African : $34,751

List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is that the reason of hatred?

 

[KRAIT]

^ One of the reason. They hate our people because we took their jobs. It all adds more fuel to it.

Paranoia and Insecurity because of terrorist attacks, Anger because of body bags from WoT and Hatred because immigrants took their jobs.

It all adds up and create a hate environment. This attack is just the pre-cursor.

 

[Don Jaguar]

^ One of the reason. They hate our people because we took their jobs. It all adds more fuel to it.

Paranoia and Insecurity because of terrorist attacks, Anger because of body bags from WoT and Hatred because immigrants took their jobs.

It all adds up and create a hate environment. This attack is just the pre-cursor.

Both Pakistanis and Indians are performing better then average american we took their jobs because we deserve it more.

 

[Developereo]

Don't give a moral answer, give a practical one. Survival instinct will force him to say that He is not a Pakistani.

If US is Islamophobic, and people are targeting and harassing Muslims, do you think a practical person will take a moral high ground or follow his/her survival instinct to differentiate himself from Muslims.

Problem is you are not looking at what happens when someone is at gun-point or facing discrimination. They won't preach Love All, Respect all at that time. They will simply try to clear the confusion.

I already explained that terrorism is a convenient media-hyped excuse.

The Indian can shout all he wants that he is not a Muslim or a Pakistani; the bigot will simply find some other excuse.

Wow, you people forced creation of two countries because Hindus and Muslims were supposedly two different breed of people. Now you have problem if we tell that we are different. Tell me what should i call you? A bunch of hypocrites with huge inherent insecurities and phobias!!

Btw, I want only people of Indian origin to be identified properly so that they don;t have to suffer because of other people's fallacies and deeds. If you got a problem with that it's not my concern.

In your perennial anti-Pakistan hysteria, you managed to expose your ignorance of the TNT. The TNT was formed in the context of institutionalized persecution and proposed as a last resort to mitigate its effects.

There is no comparison here.

 

[zaxcolix]

SHE WAS AN ISLAMOPHOBE and became such after 911.

she thought the guy was MUSLIM but when told he was something else she added that in her statement (as she was psycho)

"I pushed a Muslim off the train tracks because I hate Hindus and Muslims ever since 2001 when they put down the twin towers I've been beating them up."

She didn't knew difference between hindus and muslim .

...The Irony that the victim of this Islamophobe 'Hate crime' was a 'Hindu'.

This should be a grim reminder that spreading hate can have unintended results.


"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

[KRAIT]

Both Pakistanis and Indians are performing better then average american we took their jobs because we deserve it more.

Do you think they will think this way ? They think if all immigrants are kicked out their children will have jobs even if they are not that efficient.