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[Taimoor Khan]

harat aka Hind aka Hindustan aka India is a nation which is being round the Indus valley Civilization since centuries.

That Masjid is the proof that Indian nation even took part in the liberation of kaaba , That masjid was constructed in 629 A.D and Kaaba was liberated in 630 A.D .

In Muharram 628, Envoys went to Heraclius, the Roman Emperor, the Kings of Iran, Egypt (the King of Egypt was then a vassal of the Kaiser) and Abyssinia.

Indian King went by himself to the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh and took the Biyat and might have contributed with weapons, horses, clothes etc . Why cant you see the role played by the Indian nation aka the People of Indus valley civilization. All this have everything to do with the liberation of occupied lands and ending of slavery and upholding human rights . Arab and Indian nation are close to each other since centuries.

Al hind was mentioned as a region, NOT a country or nation by Arabs back then, There is no country like India or Bharat back then , it has always been divided in princely states. You are just honking some random bullshit,


As for the Indus valley civilization, Pakistanis are the custodian of it because we are the son of soil, just like Egyptians are for the Nile and Iraqis for the Babylon. Indian have no claim over it except the land they now occupy, the western part of it was Indus empire. Indian people are better off finding their origins in primitive ganges civilization. Pakistan is effectively the rebirth of that ancient civilization by the sons of the soil.

LOL, Indians taking part in liberation of Kabba? Where did you come up with this non sense? Let me tell you, there is a person called Qais Abdur Rasheed, who was the first Pathan reverted to Islam and he took bait on Prophet hand and fought wars alongside Khalid Bin waleed. Through Qais all Pathan tribes reverted to Islam. And since Pathan form a big chunk of Pakistani nation, we have more claim towards helping Islam.

Here you are talking about the prophecies which are linked with the future wars regarding Imam Mehdi but you cant say those wars even as Gazwah nor Sariyah.

You are such an idiot. Why I have to keep on repeating myself the types of Gazwah? Cant you read?

Gazwa-e-hind is also important because it will be a war against the only nation in the world which does Kufar in its extreme form, which is idolworshipping. India is the only idol worshiping nation left. Destruction of India is imminent.

 

[xairhossi]

Bharat aka Hind aka Hindustan aka India is a nation which is being round the Indus valley Civilization since centuries.

Wrong. Bharat word is from mythical king in Mahabharata which post-dated IVC by some thousand years. Hindustan during British times only referred to the Hindi Belt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_people

That Masjid is the proof that Indian nation even took part in the liberation of kaaba , That masjid was constructed in 629 A.D and Kaaba was liberated in 630 A.D .

In Muharram 628, Envoys went to Heraclius, the Roman Emperor, the Kings of Iran, Egypt (the King of Egypt was then a vassal of the Kaiser) and Abyssinia.

Indian King went by himself to the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh and took the Biyat and might have contributed with weapons, horses, clothes etc . Why cant you see the role played by the Indian nation aka the People of Indus valley civilization. All this have everything to do with the liberation of occupied lands and ending of slavery and upholding human rights . Arab and Indian nation are close to each other since centuries.

'Indian nation' didnt exist back then, only the Mohyal Brahmins of Kashmir claim to have fought in Karbala. 90% or so of the Indus Valley Civilization area isn't even in India.

 

[Hindustani78]

Al hind was mentioned as a region, NOT a country or nation by Arabs back then, There is no country like India or Bharat back then , it has always been divided in princely states. You are just honking some random bullshit,

Hind is actually linked to Indus valley civilization and the name itself comes even from Rig vedas . You are denying the Mahabharata War and even the Nakshi i Rustom .

As for the Indus valley civilization, Pakistanis are the custodian of it because we are the son of soil, just like Egyptians are for the Nile and Iraqis for the Babylon. Indian have no claim over it except the land they now occupy, the western part of it was Indus empire. Indian people are better off finding their origins in primitive ganges civilization. Pakistan is effectively the rebirth of that ancient civilization by the sons of the soil.

The name Pakistan is not even 70 years old and you cant claim to be the custodian of Indus valley Civilization, infact the Indian nation have suffered since the past 250 years .

LOL, Indians taking part in liberation of Kabba? Where did you come up with this non sense? Let me tell you, there is a person called Qais Abdur Rasheed, who was the first Pathan reverted to Islam and he took bait on Prophet hand and fought wars alongside Khalid Bin waleed. Through Qais all Pathan tribes reverted to Islam. And since Pathan form a big chunk of Pakistani nation, we have more claim towards helping Islam.

This is reality and no one can deny the role which the supreme creator has taken from the Indian nation. You can see the timeline by yourself 629 A.D , First masjid was established in India aka Al Hind and that Indian King was introduced in front of the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh as the Malik al Hind and in 630 A.D , Kaaba was liberated

You are such an idiot. Why I have to keep on repeating myself the types of Gazwah? Cant you read?

Gazwa-e-hind is also important because it will be a war against the only nation in the world which does Kufar in its extreme form, which is idolworshipping. India is the only idol worshiping nation left. Destruction of India is imminent.

The Battles of the Prophet (Ghazwat ul Rasul)
By Ibn Katheer

The Prophet sallallâhu 'alayhi wa sallam had to fight in many of these battles. Battles of Badr, 'Uhud, al Ahzab, Banu Quraizah, Al-Muraisi, Khaibar, Mu'tah, Conquest of Makkah, Hunain and Tabuk.

These are known as Ghazwat ul Rasul in Islamic world and what you are claiming doesnt have any basis because the future prophecies which are related to Imam Mehdi cant be termed as Ghazwat.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Hind is actually linked to Indus valley civilization and the name itself comes even from Rig vedas . You are denying the Mahabharata War and even the Nakshi i Rustom .

Rig Vedas were written 1500 years AFTER the last trace of Indus valley.

The name Pakistan is not even 70 years old and you cant claim to be the custodian of Indus valley Civilization, infact the Indian nation have suffered since the past 250 years .

Its the prerogative of the people inhibiting Indus plains as to what they want to refer themselves as, in certain time period. We call our lands Pakistan now. Its our call. Just like there was no name called Egypt or Iraq for that matter in ancient times.

This is reality and no one can deny the role which the supreme creator has taken from the Indian nation. You can see the timeline by yourself 629 A.D , First masjid was established in India aka Al Hind and that Indian King was introduced in front of the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh as the Malik al Hind and in 630 A.D , Kaaba was liberated

Indian inventions are not really refered to as history by any means.

While Qais Abdur rasheed, is the reality. His tomb in Pakistan:

The Battles of the Prophet (Ghazwat ul Rasul)
By Ibn Katheer

The Prophet sallallâhu 'alayhi wa sallam had to fight in many of these battles. Battles of Badr, 'Uhud, al Ahzab, Banu Quraizah, Al-Muraisi, Khaibar, Mu'tah, Conquest of Makkah, Hunain and Tabuk.

These are known as Ghazwat ul Rasul in Islamic world and what you are claiming doesnt have any basis because the future prophecies which are related to Imam Mehdi cant be termed as Ghazwat.

Gazwa-e-hind, come under Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah category, and it is said that in this Gazwa, Prophet (PBUH) will guide the Muslims spiritually. One has to remember, in all God's world, east and west, India is the only entity where the idol worshiping, the worst form of kuffar, not only the dominant faith but now has converted the entity called India into a Hindu state, that is why this upcoming Gazwa is so important. And also as I mentioned, because it is a pre requisite for the second coming of Jesus (AS).

 

[Hindustani78]

Rig Vedas were written 1500 years AFTER the last trace of Indus valley.

Vedas (ancient Hindu scriptures - Rig, Yajur and Sam) are quite old. The oldest among them, Rig Veda might be 7000 years old (5000 BC or earlier). Note that the ancient Sanskrit meaning of Veda is the accumulated or compiled knowledge, and therefore Vedas also represent the record of early civilization in addition to being Hindu scriptures.

Vedas (and the corresponding Hindu religion) must at least be as old as the last time river Sarasvati actually existed (flowed) in India because that is how it was described in the Vedas - alive and active. Therefore, considering the following hymns on river Sarasvati (which show it still very alive and active -- 5000 BC according to archaeological findings), Vedas and Hinduism may be assumed to exist at least since 5000 BC (7000 years ago).

“He set thee in the earth's most lovely station, in Ila's place, in days of fair bright weather.
On man, on Apaya, Agni! on the rivers Drsadvati, Sarasvati, shine richly.” Rig Veda (Book 3 , Hymn 23.4)

“This stream Sarasvati with fostering current comes forth, our sure defence, our fort of iron.
As on a car, the flood flows on, surpassing in majesty and might all other waters.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 95.1)

“I SING a lofty song, for she is mightiest, most divine of Streams.
Sarasvati will I exalt with hymns and lauds, and, O Vasistha, Heaven and Earth.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 96.1)

“When in the fullness of their strength the Purus dwell, Beauteous One, on thy two grassy banks,
Favor us thou who hast the Maruts for thy friends: stir up the bounty of our chiefs.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 96.2)

Its the prerogative of the people inhibiting Indus plains as to what they want to refer themselves as, in certain time period. We call our lands Pakistan now. Its our call. Just like there was no name called Egypt or Iraq for that matter in ancient times.

Indus valley Civilization is from Indian nation on whom vedas were revealed and there have been rightous gurus and Kings on whom the revelations have took place which is similar like on the Arab nation and already Prophet Muhammed Pbuh have talked about 124,000 Prophets on whom the message was revealed by the Supreme Creator.

Arabs are aware of thier ancient civilization similar like Indian nation .

Indian inventions are not really refered to as history by any means.

History is always in front of you but you doesnt want to accept the fact .

Gazwa-e-hind, come under Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah category, and it is said that in this Gazwa, Prophet (PBUH) will guide the Muslims spiritually. One has to remember, in all God's world, east and west, India is the only entity where the idol worshiping, the worst form of kuffar, not only the dominant faith but now has converted the entity called India into a Hindu state, that is why this upcoming Gazwa is so important. And also as I mentioned, because it is a pre requisite for the second coming of Jesus (AS).

Religion seems too hard for you to understand and on that you are forgetting that 40 Dajjals will appear according to the hadiths.

The Future prophecies related to Imam Mehdi cant be said as Gazwah and if Isa Ibne Maryam return back then this world will not exist and Qayamat will took place.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Vedas (ancient Hindu scriptures - Rig, Yajur and Sam) are quite old. The oldest among them, Rig Veda might be 7000 years old (5000 BC or earlier). Note that the ancient Sanskrit meaning of Veda is the accumulated or compiled knowledge, and therefore Vedas also represent the record of early civilization in addition to being Hindu scriptures.

Vedas (and the corresponding Hindu religion) must at least be as old as the last time river Sarasvati actually existed (flowed) in India because that is how it was described in the Vedas - alive and active. Therefore, considering the following hymns on river Sarasvati (which show it still very alive and active -- 5000 BC according to archaeological findings), Vedas and Hinduism may be assumed to exist at least since 5000 BC (7000 years ago).

“He set thee in the earth's most lovely station, in Ila's place, in days of fair bright weather.
On man, on Apaya, Agni! on the rivers Drsadvati, Sarasvati, shine richly.” Rig Veda (Book 3 , Hymn 23.4)

“This stream Sarasvati with fostering current comes forth, our sure defence, our fort of iron.
As on a car, the flood flows on, surpassing in majesty and might all other waters.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 95.1)

“I SING a lofty song, for she is mightiest, most divine of Streams.
Sarasvati will I exalt with hymns and lauds, and, O Vasistha, Heaven and Earth.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 96.1)

“When in the fullness of their strength the Purus dwell, Beauteous One, on thy two grassy banks,
Favor us thou who hast the Maruts for thy friends: stir up the bounty of our chiefs.” Rig Veda (Book 7, Hymn 96.2)

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com...t-overlap-with-the-indus-valley-civilization/


Why the Rig Vedas Cannot Overlap with the Indus Valley Civilization



Not a single Hindu idol/deity/temple has been excavated at Indus sites. Plus evidence shows that Harappans ate beef and buried their dead. This is what the renowned historian John Keays states on the religion of Harappans:

"The religion of Harappans is unknown. No site has certainly been identified as a temple and most suppositions about sacrificial fires, cult objects and deities rest on doubtful retrospective references from Hindu practices of many centuries later. Such inferences may be as futile as, say, looking to Islamic astronomy for an explanation of the orientation of the pyramids. In short, these theories are all fanciful and do not bear scrutiny.

"Depicted on some Harappan seals, is that of a big-nosed gentleman wearing a horned head-dress who sits in the lotus position, an air of abstraction and an audience of animals. He cannot be the early manifestation of Lord Shiva as Pashupati, `Lord of the Beasts.' Myth, as has been noted, is subject to frequent revision. The chances of a deity remaining closely associated with the specific powers - in this case, fertility, asceticism, and familiarity with the animal kingdom - for all of two thousand years must raise serious doubts, especially since, during the interval, there is little evidence for the currency of this myth. Rudra, a Vedic deity later identified with Shiva, is indeed referred to as Pasupati because of his association with the cattle, but asceticism and meditation were not Rudra's specialties nor is he usually credited with an empathy for animals other than kine. More plausibly, it has been suggested that the Harappan figure's heavily horned headgear bespeaks a bull cult, to which numerous other representations of bulls lend substance.

"Similar doubts surround the female terracotta figurines which are often described as mother goddesses. Pop-eyed, bat-eared, belted and sometime miniskirted, they are usually of crude workmanship and grotesque mien. Only a dusty-eyed archaeologist could describe them as `pleasing little things.' The bat-ears, on closer inspection, appear to be elaborate head dresses or hairstyles. If, as the prominent and clumsily applied breasts suggest, they were fertility symbols, why bother with millinery? Or indeed miniskirts?"



"Similar to the cultures of ancient Middle East, it appears that the Indus religion recognized some type of life after death. Unlike Hindus who practice cremation, Indus people carefully buried their dead in wooded coffins with their heads facing north and the feet pointing south. Included in the graves were pottery jars containing food and weapons for use in the afterlife."

"Meat was an important part of Harappan diet which included beef, mutton, fowl, fish, and other animals."

Indus valley Civilization is from Indian nation on whom vedas were revealed and there have been rightous gurus and Kings on whom the revelations have took place which is similar like on the Arab nation and already Prophet Muhammed Pbuh have talked about 124,000 Prophets on whom the message was revealed by the Supreme Creator.

Arabs are aware of thier ancient civilization similar like Indian nation .

There is no Indian nation, Indian nation came into being on 15th August 1947 when Britishers gave independence to people who are now called Indians. Before that was hundred year old slavery of british empire, subjects of Raj. And before that 900 years rule under different Muslims Kings.

No doubt Indus received a lot of prophets, Infact there are more indications that the ancient Paksitans were infact the nation of Noah , Nuh or as they say in Hinduism Manu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu). Even Abraham was born here in ancient Pakistan in an area which are now called Kyber Pakhtoonkhawa (kpk), before he left for middle east after being thrown into fire by king Nimrod.

Pakistanis are proud of their ancient lands. Pakistan is seen as a rebirth of that ancient empire, which was destroyed by Allah himself when it disobeyed, and now after thousands of years brought back to life, when the people who inhibit these lands, ask for these lands in the name of Islam.

History is always in front of you but you doesnt want to accept the fact .

History is a concubine is the hands of who wrote it. Facts are what I wrote. You better wake up and smell the coffee.

Religion seems too hard for you to understand and on that you are forgetting that 40 Dajjals will appear according to the hadiths.

The Future prophecies related to Imam Mehdi cant be said as Gazwah and if Isa Ibne Maryam return back then this world will not exist and Qayamat will took place.

What 40 dajjals got to do with Gazwa-e-Hind?

There is no direct link of Gazwah-e-hind prophecy to Imam Mehdi but there is a direct connect to Prophet Jesus (AS).


HADEES OF HADHRAT SUBAN (R.A.) the freed servant of Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) :

It is being related to Hadhrat Suban (R.A.) that Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) told that:

“Two groups amongst My Ummah would be such, to whom Allah has freed from fire; One group would attack India & the Second would be that who would accompany Isa Ibn-e-Maryam (A.S.).”

It is related to Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A) that Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) talked about Hindustan (India) & said:

“Definitely, one of your troop would do a war with Hindustan, Allah would grant success to those warriors, as far as they would bring their kings by dragging them in chains / fetters. And Allah would forgive those warriors (by the Blessing of this great war). And when those Muslims would return, they would find Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Maryam(A.S.) in Syria (Shaam)”.



Clearly these Hadees are telling us that the fate of India is already sealed, its only matter of time.

 

[Hindustani78]

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com...t-overlap-with-the-indus-valley-civilization/


Why the Rig Vedas Cannot Overlap with the Indus Valley Civilization

Not a single Hindu idol/deity/temple has been excavated at Indus sites. Plus evidence shows that Harappans ate beef and buried their dead. This is what the renowned historian John Keays states on the religion of Harappans:

"The religion of Harappans is unknown. No site has certainly been identified as a temple and most suppositions about sacrificial fires, cult objects and deities rest on doubtful retrospective references from Hindu practices of many centuries later. Such inferences may be as futile as, say, looking to Islamic astronomy for an explanation of the orientation of the pyramids. In short, these theories are all fanciful and do not bear scrutiny.

"Depicted on some Harappan seals, is that of a big-nosed gentleman wearing a horned head-dress who sits in the lotus position, an air of abstraction and an audience of animals. He cannot be the early manifestation of Lord Shiva as Pashupati, `Lord of the Beasts.' Myth, as has been noted, is subject to frequent revision. The chances of a deity remaining closely associated with the specific powers - in this case, fertility, asceticism, and familiarity with the animal kingdom - for all of two thousand years must raise serious doubts, especially since, during the interval, there is little evidence for the currency of this myth. Rudra, a Vedic deity later identified with Shiva, is indeed referred to as Pasupati because of his association with the cattle, but asceticism and meditation were not Rudra's specialties nor is he usually credited with an empathy for animals other than kine. More plausibly, it has been suggested that the Harappan figure's heavily horned headgear bespeaks a bull cult, to which numerous other representations of bulls lend substance.

"Similar doubts surround the female terracotta figurines which are often described as mother goddesses. Pop-eyed, bat-eared, belted and sometime miniskirted, they are usually of crude workmanship and grotesque mien. Only a dusty-eyed archaeologist could describe them as `pleasing little things.' The bat-ears, on closer inspection, appear to be elaborate head dresses or hairstyles. If, as the prominent and clumsily applied breasts suggest, they were fertility symbols, why bother with millinery? Or indeed miniskirts?"



"Similar to the cultures of ancient Middle East, it appears that the Indus religion recognized some type of life after death. Unlike Hindus who practice cremation, Indus people carefully buried their dead in wooded coffins with their heads facing north and the feet pointing south. Included in the graves were pottery jars containing food and weapons for use in the afterlife."

"Meat was an important part of Harappan diet which included beef, mutton, fowl, fish, and other animals."

This is what the renowned historian John Keays states on the religion of Harappans:

Historian John Keays might have done the research but the reality is this that Indian nation do have burials and even in Indus valley Civilization ancient burials have been dig out by ASI.

Yes i am aware that Ancient Rig vedic tribes were agricultural nation and have did many innovation which are even now useful for the humankind.

There is no Indian nation, Indian nation came into being on 15th August 1947 when Britishers gave independence to people who are now called Indians. Before that was hundred year old slavery of british empire, subjects of Raj. And before that 900 years rule under different Muslims Kings.

You should stop your this nonsense history. British were having divide and rule policy and they have destroyed the Indian civilization the most where as the Muslim and Hindu Kings fought together against colonization.

No doubt Indus received a lot of prophets, Infact there are more indications that the ancient Paksitans were infact the nation of Noah , Nuh or as they say in Hinduism Manu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu). Even Abraham was born here in ancient Pakistan in an area which are now called Kyber Pakhtoonkhawa (kpk), before he left for middle east after being thrown into fire by king Nimrod.

You are trying to say that only what i am saying .

124,000 Prophets were send by the Supreme Creator.

Pakistanis are proud of their ancient lands. Pakistan is seen as a rebirth of that ancient empire, which was destroyed by Allah himself when it disobeyed, and now after thousands of years brought back to life, when the people who inhibit these lands, ask for these lands in the name of Islam.

Muslims would be more proud to be called as Hindis and thats why majority of Indian Muslims have rejected partition.

Yes its clearly visible how Arabs, Indians, Turks and Africans are becoming powerful nations and you cant see the blessing of the Supreme Creator.

History is a concubine is the hands of who wrote it. Facts are what I wrote. You better wake up and smell the coffee.

Read above

What 40 dajjals got to do with Gazwa-e-Hind?

Its linked because Prophet Muhammed Pbuh have saw towards Hind and said that the best people will come from there.

There is no direct link of Gazwah-e-hind prophecy to Imam Mehdi but there is a direct connect to Prophet Jesus (AS).

Gazwah e Hind is nothing but PR of Naziris .

HADEES OF HADHRAT SUBAN (R.A.) the freed servant of Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) :

It is being related to Hadhrat Suban (R.A.) that Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) told that:

“Two groups amongst My Ummah would be such, to whom Allah has freed from fire; One group would attack India & the Second would be that who would accompany Isa Ibn-e-Maryam (A.S.).”

It is related to Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (R.A) that Hadhrat Muhammad (Sall-Allaho-‘Alayhe-Wasallam) talked about Hindustan (India) & said:

“Definitely, one of your troop would do a war with Hindustan, Allah would grant success to those warriors, as far as they would bring their kings by dragging them in chains / fetters. And Allah would forgive those warriors (by the Blessing of this great war). And when those Muslims would return, they would find Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Maryam(A.S.) in Syria (Shaam)”.

Indian Muslims are well aware regarding the hadiths related to tactic which the dajjal and his allies will use.

Clearly these Hadees are telling us that the fate of India is already sealed, its only matter of time.

Hadiths related to the second coming of Isa Ibne Maryam A.S clearly explain what is racism because racists will not recoganise Isa Ibne Maryam and Isa Ibne Maryam will be not from white nations.

But the followers of Isa ibne Maryam A.S will be from all the nations.

 

[StraightShooter]

Rig Vedas were written 1500 years AFTER the last trace of Indus valley.

These are complete BS theories purported by the colonial indologists who wanted to show the superiority of their culture. These theories were neither based on research nor evidences.

Since Abrahamic religions started in 1800 BCE, Dharmic cultures should start in 1500 BCE. How convenient?

Ramayana took place around 12000 BCE while Mahabharata took place around 5500 BCE.

Vedas predate Ramayana.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

These are complete BS theories purported by the colonial indologists who wanted to show the superiority of their culture. These theories were neither based on research nor evidences.

Since Abrahamic religions started in 1800 BCE, Dharmic cultures should start in 1500 BCE. How convenient?

Ramayana took place around 12000 BCE while Mahabharata took place around 5500 BCE.

Vedas predate Ramayana.

Where did Vedas come from then, please?

Also what the geographic locations of these 12000 BC events. Documentation and artefacts would be nice footnotes as well.

History lesson from your perspective is welcome.

Thanks!

 

[Hindustani78]

These are complete BS theories purported by the colonial indologists who wanted to show the superiority of their culture. These theories were neither based on research nor evidences.

Since Abrahamic religions started in 1800 BCE, Dharmic cultures should start in 1500 BCE. How convenient?

Ramayana took place around 12000 BCE while Mahabharata took place around 5500 BCE.

Vedas predate Ramayana.

If you read Quran regarding about Prophet Abraham then you will understand who was actually Prophet Abraham.

And Abraham prayed for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him.But when it became clear to him that he was an enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: for Abraham was most tender-hearted, forbearing. (Surah At-Tawba, 114)

(The father) replied: "Dost thou hate my gods, O Abraham? If thou forbear not, I will indeed stone thee: Now get away from me for a good long while!" (Surah Maryam, 46)

Behold! he said to his father and his people, "What are these images, to which ye are (so assiduously) devoted?" (Surah Al-Anbiya’, 52)

They said, "We found our fathers worshipping them." (Surah Al-Anbiya’, 53)

 

[StraightShooter]

Where did Vedas come from then, please?

Also what the geographic locations of these 12000 BC events. Documentation and artefacts would be nice footnotes as well.

History lesson from your perspective is welcome.

Thanks!

If you are serious please open a thread on the dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata and I would be happy to elaborate.

I do not want to derail this thread.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

If you are serious please open a thread on the dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata and I would be happy to elaborate.

I do not want to derail this thread.

.


Kind sir,

Given the volume and depth of intellectual output in these civilisational threads by your countrymen and adverseries... one of your contribution will hardly derail anything.

Since, you mentioned the dates about your contentions.. obviously, honour of validation must be yours as well.

I shall be your shield from the wrath of Mods...oh those merciless Power Elite of PDF.

Kindly, proceed. I would sincerely like to be educated...

Also, what is your take on the coming demolitions of non-hindus' places of worship. Numbers and geographic places will also be welcome.

You mentioed 1000s to be demolished...quite intruiging figure.... massive in scope and volume. Quite an undertaking really. 1000s X 100s in loss of lives as byproduct. Massive enterprise!

Do you also think this conversion drive back to hinduism making any gains soon? Or is pure political double speak?

I am still grateful to you for sharing historyy and figures behind Two Nation business...most insightful!

Thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge!

I must also, without reserve, confess my bias towards Sino-Pak Axis, so that you are not misled in any manner.

@Götterdämmerung are you studying these civilisational threads in this section... fits into overall picture/model that both of us have been studying for sometime.

@TaiShang my friend, Dialectic Acceleration of indian civilisation happening here...thought as researcher you might like to observe.

 

[StraightShooter]

Kind sir,

Given the volume and depth of intellectual output in these civilisational threads by your countrymen and adverseries... one of your contribution will hardly derail anything.

Since, you mentioned the dates about your contentions.. obviously, honour of validation must be yours as well.

I shall be your shield from the wrath of Mods...oh those merciless Power Elite of PDF.

Kindly, proceed. I would sincerely like to be educated...

As suspected you are only interested in scoring political points than understanding the history.

Also, what is your take on the coming demolitions of non-hindus' places of worship. Numbers and geographic places will also be welcome.

You mentioed 1000s to be demolished...quite intruiging figure.... massive in scope and volume. Quite an undertaking really. 1000s X 100s in loss of lives as byproduct. Massive enterprise!

If you are interested you could read these books. The authors, Sita Ram Goel, Arun Shourie, Harsh Narain, Jay Dubashi and Ram Swarup, have done extensive research and the basis for these conclusions were historical books written by Muslims themselves.

Hindu Temples – What Happened to Them is a two-volume book.

The first volume includes a list of 2,000 mosques that were built on Hindu temples, based primarily on the books of Muslim historians of the period or inscriptions found on mosques. The second volume excerpts from medieval histories and chronicles and from inscriptions concerning the destruction of Hindu, Jain and Buddhist temples. The authors claim that the material presented in the book as "the tip of an iceberg".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Temples:_What_Happened_to_Them


Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them : (A Preliminary Survey) V1 Paperback – December 1, 1990
by Arun Shourie (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Hindu-Temples-Happened-Preliminary-Survey/dp/9991129200


Hindu Temples What Happened to Them Volume II The Islamic Evidence Paperback – December 31, 2009
by Sita Ram Goel (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/8185990034

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

As suspected you are only interested in scoring political points than understanding the history.



If you are interested you could read these books. The authors, Sita Ram Goel, Arun Shourie, Harsh Narain, Jay Dubashi and Ram Swarup, have done extensive research and the basis for these conclusions were historical books written by Muslims themselves.

Hindu Temples – What Happened to Them is a two-volume book.

The first volume includes a list of 2,000 mosques that were built on Hindu temples, based primarily on the books of Muslim historians of the period or inscriptions found on mosques. The second volume excerpts from medieval histories and chronicles and from inscriptions concerning the destruction of Hindu, Jain and Buddhist temples. The authors claim that the material presented in the book as "the tip of an iceberg".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Temples:_What_Happened_to_Them


Hindu Temples: What Happened to Them : (A Preliminary Survey) V1 Paperback – December 1, 1990
by Arun Shourie (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Hindu-Temples-Happened-Preliminary-Survey/dp/9991129200


Hindu Temples What Happened to Them Volume II The Islamic Evidence Paperback – December 31, 2009
by Sita Ram Goel (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/8185990034

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No, kind sir, not all... what you do in your country is your affair... and as you erect the new edifices of your new construct is also matter of our own devices.

I merely highlighted what you said about 1000s of new temples to be rebuilt and locial progression of such enterprise, given your history, is what I asked you to provide your views.

Since you made the claim of destruction 1000s of existing places of worship of your opposing party, it is only fair to understand the what follows.

Can anything happen in vacuum?

I shall be a avid student of your history lesson... helps forms a holistic understanding what you as people do and want to achieve.

By walking away, abdicatting your responsibility as intellectual is not condusive...given all of you are committed to your civilisational revival. Why shy away, what is harm in being brave?

Anyhow, we outside observers can only be observers...

Looking forward to 12000BC validation from you. Hope you honour your own claims with evidence.

Am just a student of this unfolding acceleration...quite interesting study.

Thanks!

SPF

 

[StraightShooter]

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No, kind sir, not all... what you do in your country is your affair... and as you erect the new edifices of your new construct is also matter of our own devices.

I merely highlighted what you said about 1000s of new temples to be rebuilt and locial progression of such enterprise, given your history, is what I asked you to provide your views.

Since you made the claim of destruction 1000s of existing places of worship of your opposing party, it is only fair to understand the what follows.

Can anything happen in vacuum?

I shall be a avid student of your history lesson... helps forms a holistic understanding what you as people do and want to achieve.

By walking away, abdicatting your responsibility as intellectual is not condusive...given all of you are committed to your civilisational revival. Why shy away, what is harm in being brave?

Anyhow, we outside observers can only be observers...

Looking forward to 12000BC validation from you. Hope you honour your own claims with evidence.

Am just a student of this unfolding acceleration...quite interesting study.

Thanks!

SPF

You may read these books to understand the basis of the dates for Ramayana (which took place around 12000 BCE) and Mahabharata (which took place around 5500 BCE).

When Did The Mahabharata War Happen?: The Mystery of Arundhati

https://www.amazon.com/When-Did-Mahabharata-War-Happen/dp/0983034400

The Historic Rama: Indian Civilization at the End of Pleistocene

https://www.amazon.com/Historic-Rama-Indian-Civilization-Pleistocene/dp/1494949466