After Deoband win, comes the saffron push: MLA wants to rename constituency as Dev Vrand

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually this perception people use to have but when the hadiths of Prophet Muhammed Pbuh are being explained and understand , its clear to whom Prophet Muhammed Pbuh has called Hindis( Indians) and the people of Indus Valley Civilization. Indus Valley Civilization people are called Aryans.

Word "India" got no historic relevance, its basically a colonial term, so when you talk about present day India, you are basically talking about the entity which Brits created on 15th August 1947 which got its own history after that date. Pre August 1947 "India" was a colonial entity under the Empire of the Queen of England.

Which hadess of Prophet (PBUH) you are taking about? We know one very famous Hadees about Gazwe-e-hind, where Muslims will bring the ruler of hind in chains.

People of Indus valley are those who inhibit it , just like present day Egyptian and Iraqis are the custodian of nile and Euphertes civilization, the people of Pakistan are the custodian of Indus valley. The rest are just by association or expansion of empire in ancient times both east and west of Indus.

 

[xairhossi]

Actually , Vedic Aryans aka Indian nation have to understand the real relations which they are having with Arab nations.

Vedic Aryans are the ones who are fighting to safeguard thier identity, culture and traditions and here all have to notice and accept one thing that Prophet Muhammed Pbuh have clearly foretold who are the people of Hind aka people of Indus Valley civilization.

The Cheraman Juma Masjid (Malayalam:ചേരമാൻ പള്ളി) is a mosque in Methala, Kodungallur Taluk, Thrissur District in the Indian state of Kerala. Built in 629 AD, it is the first mosque in India. It was built by Malik Deenar

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tradition of the Holy Prophet has also been reported from one of the companions, Abu Saeed al Khudri, regarding the arrival of Cheraman Perumal:

“A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Holy Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat.” Hakim reports in ‘Al Musthadrak’

How are you connecting the Vedic Aryans and IVC to modern day Indians? makes no sense.

 

[navtrek]

Actually it is for the best ...of late the 'deobandi' brand name has become ominous

ominous or not buddy my only worry is why are we wasting time on such petty things when we have so many more important things to do.

 

[Hindustani78]

Word "India" got no historic relevance, its basically a colonial term, so when you talk about present day India, you are basically talking about the entity which Brits created on 15th August 1947 which got its own history after that date. Pre August 1947 "India" was a colonial entity under the Empire of the Queen of England.

Which hadess of Prophet (PBUH) you are taking about? We know one very famous Hadees about Gazwe-e-hind, where Muslims will bring the ruler of hind in chains.

People of Indus valley are those who inhibit it , just like present day Egyptian and Iraqis are the custodian of nile and Euphertes civilization, the people of Pakistan are the custodian of Indus valley. The rest are just by association or expansion of empire in ancient times both east and west of Indus.

India name itself comes from River Indus and Indus valley civilization.

Gazwah were those battles in which the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh has took part personally and Saryah were those battles in which the Sahabas took part.

 

[xairhossi]

India name itself comes from River Indus and Indus valley civilization.

Gazwah were those battles in which the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh has took part personally and Saryah were those battles in which the Sahabas took part.

Originally India did not mean what it does now. This is called linguistic drift.

 

[Hindustani78]

Originally India did not mean what it does now. This is called linguistic drift.

Prophet Muhammed Pbuh hadiths do explain who are the ancient rig vedic tribes of Indus valley Civilization.

 

[xairhossi]

Prophet Muhammed Pbuh hadiths do explain who are the ancient rig vedic tribes of Indus valley Civilization.

Lol Indus Valley Civilization pre-dated the Rig-Vedics. What drug are you on?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

India name itself comes from River Indus and Indus valley civilization.

Gazwah were those battles in which the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh has took part personally and Saryah were those battles in which the Sahabas took part.

Word India has no relevance to Indus. Word Indus itself is a western terminology. the correct word is "Sindh", like the Sindh provenice in Pakistan, but even that cannot be established as certain the true name of that ancient empire which was build by the ancestors of Pakistan, because the ancient text cannot be deciphered till date. But the Babylonians used to call Indus as "Maluha". Now go figure out how that word relates to word "India". Even the Muslim rulers who ruled over sub continent for around 900 years just before the Brits, they never used the term India.


With regards to the use of word "Gazwah" for this upcoming battle:

There are two types of ghazwat.

Ghazwat-e-Waqiya: These include those wars which were fought during the times of Rasoolulah (SAWW). These can be further divided into "ghazwa" and "surriyya".

Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah: These include the future wars which have been predicted in the hadeeths of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

This war comes into second category.

If you can read Urdu, refer below:

Gazwa-e-Hind in itself is a big event but what it will trigger is most important. The destruction of India, and bringing its leader in chain (for shock and awe purpose for the rest of the world), is a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus (AS). This event will trigger his second coming, which the Hadees about Gazwa-e-Hind clearly mention. If the true Christians and believers in monolithic religions, who are also anticipating the second coming of Christ, understand this Hadees in true context, they will also fall in line with what Pakistan stands for and what it is aiming to achieve, eventually.

In nutshell, the destruction of present day India, is just a mean, a step, towards ultimate goal.

Lol Indus Valley Civilization pre-dated the Rig-Vedics. What drug are you on?

first traces of Vedas are recorded 1500 years AFTER Indus valley was already 10 feet under ground. These idiots believe in their fairy tails told by their state propaganda machine.

 

[Hindustani78]

Word India has no relevance to Indus. Word Indus itself is a western terminology. the correct word is "Sindh", like the Sindh provenice in Pakistan, but even that cannot be established as certain the true name of that ancient empire which was build by the ancestors of Pakistan, because the ancient text cannot be deciphered till date. But the Babylonians used to call Indus as "Maluha". Now go figure out how that word relates to word "India". Even the Muslim rulers who ruled over sub continent for around 900 years just before the Brits, they never used the term India.


With regards to the use of word "Gazwah" for this upcoming battle:

There are two types of ghazwat.

Ghazwat-e-Waqiya: These include those wars which were fought during the times of Rasoolulah (SAWW). These can be further divided into "ghazwa" and "surriyya".

Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah: These include the future wars which have been predicted in the hadeeths of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

This war comes into second category.

If you can read Urdu, refer below:

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Gazwa-e-Hind in itself is a big event but what it will trigger is most important. The destruction of India, and bringing its leader in chain (for shock and awe purpose for the rest of the world), is a prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus (AS). This event will trigger his second coming, which the Hadees about Gazwa-e-Hind clearly mention. If the true Christians and believers in monolithic religions, who are also anticipating the second coming of Christ, understand this Hadees in true context, they will also fall in line with what Pakistan stands for and what it is aiming to achieve, eventually.

In nutshell, the destruction of present day India, is just a mean, a step, towards ultimate goal.



first traces of Vedas are recorded 1500 years AFTER Indus valley was already 10 feet under ground. These idiots believe in their fairy tails told by their state propaganda machine.

The Hadith says: “A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat.”

The king later died and buried in Zafar (now Salalah) in Sultanate of Oman.

I think you can read Arabic

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The Hadith says: “A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat.”

The king later died and buried in Zafar (now Salalah) in Sultanate of Oman.

I think you can read Arabic

Question is, can you read the Arabic? The word used "Al Hind" NOT "INDIA". Al Hind was the terminology used by Arabs to mention the region, just like today, you would say Europe or middle east, it was not a country or a sovereign entity. Above all, no relevance to the present day India.

Not sure what you are trying to imply with this arabic text to be honest. This is per say not Hadess or saying of Prophet (PBUH) but a description of an event which happened. On the other hand, we got a Hadees of Prophet (PBUH) about Gazwa-e-Hind. Do you understand the critical nature of this upcoming Gazwa and why India's destruction is important in relation to the second coming of Jesus (AS)?

 

[Hindustani78]

Question is, can you read the Arabic? The word used "Al Hind" NOT "INDIA". Al Hind was the terminology used by Arabs to mention the region, just like today, you would say Europe or middle east, it was not a country or a sovereign entity. Above all, no relevance to the present day India.

Not sure what you are trying to imply with this arabic text to be honest. This is per say not Hadess or saying of Prophet (PBUH) but a description of an event which happened. On the other hand, we got a Hadees of Prophet (PBUH) about Gazwa-e-Hind. Do you understand the critical nature of this upcoming Gazwa and why India's destruction is important in relation to the second coming of Jesus (AS)?

Arabs are well aware who are Indians and what Al Hind means in this hadith, first masjid was constructed in Al Hind in 629 A.D and that place is in Kerala.

Gazwah were those battles in which Prophet Muhammed Pbuh took part personally. Do you deny this ?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Arabs are well aware who are Indians and what Al Hind means in this hadith, first masjid was constructed in Al Hind in 629 A.D and that place is in Kerala.

Gazwah were those battles in which Prophet Muhammed Pbuh took part personally. Do you deny this ?

There was nothing like "India" back in the days. You are very confused.

First of all, its NOT a hadess but rather an "event". Secondly what that Masjid in Kerala got anything to do with India? There was no India back then. Muslims were trying to spread Islam anyway. not sure what you are trying to imply.

Which part of my previous post you did not understand. I will repeat again. READ first before putting forth your argument.

There are two types of ghazwat.

Ghazwat-e-Waqiya: These include those wars which were fought during the times of Rasoolulah (SAWW). These can be further divided into "ghazwa" and "surriyya".

Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah: These include the future wars which have been predicted in the hadeeths of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

Gazwa-e-hind belong to the second category.

 

[xairhossi]

The Hadith says: “A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat.”

The king later died and buried in Zafar (now Salalah) in Sultanate of Oman.

I think you can read Arabic

We are not sure of the Arabian conception of 'Al-Hind' at that time, or whether it was similar to the modern Indian conception, but during Muhammad Bin Qasim's time Al-Hind referred to the Gangetic Plains and Deccan. Al-Sind was the Indus Plains.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Deoband madrassa's ideological relationship with most violent takfiri terrorists?

You are not exactly helping anyone's cause by pointing out the obvious. There are lunatics everywhere. The lunacy my country is facing is a blowback from the sustained lunacy such as the one you mentioned. We should all introspect.

 

[Hindustani78]

There was nothing like "India" back in the days. You are very confused.

First of all, its NOT a hadess but rather an "event". Secondly what that Masjid in Kerala got anything to do with India? There was no India back then. Muslims were trying to spread Islam anyway. not sure what you are trying to imply.

Which part of my previous post you did not understand. I will repeat again. READ first before putting forth your argument.

Bharat aka Hind aka Hindustan aka India is a nation which is being round the Indus valley Civilization since centuries.

That Masjid is the proof that Indian nation even took part in the liberation of kaaba , That masjid was constructed in 629 A.D and Kaaba was liberated in 630 A.D .

In Muharram 628, Envoys went to Heraclius, the Roman Emperor, the Kings of Iran, Egypt (the King of Egypt was then a vassal of the Kaiser) and Abyssinia.

Indian King went by himself to the Prophet Muhammed Pbuh and took the Biyat and might have contributed with weapons, horses, clothes etc . Why cant you see the role played by the Indian nation aka the People of Indus valley civilization. All this have everything to do with the liberation of occupied lands and ending of slavery and upholding human rights . Arab and Indian nation are close to each other since centuries.

There are two types of ghazwat.

Ghazwat-e-Waqiya: These include those wars which were fought during the times of Rasoolulah (SAWW). These can be further divided into "ghazwa" and "surriyya".

Ghazwat-e-Mo'uudah: These include the future wars which have been predicted in the hadeeths of Rasoolulah (SAWW).

Gazwa-e-hind belong to the second category.

Here you are talking about the prophecies which are linked with the future wars regarding Imam Mehdi but you cant say those wars even as Gazwah nor Sariyah.