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We’re Indians first, Taliban view of Islam not ours, say Deoband Islamic Scholars (Ulema)

The fate of Indian muslims is to blurt out Vande Mataram louder than anyone constantly for the rest of their existence while being beaten with shoes.

Also, most of what was deoband school/scholar migrated to Pakistan so whatever is left isn’t the deoband school of pre-partition. That is like saying denel dynamics is still the same when most of its brightest have moved to countries like the UAE and others
 
The fate of Indian muslims is to blurt out Vande Mataram louder than anyone constantly for the rest of their existence while being beaten with shoes.

Also, most of what was deoband school/scholar migrated to Pakistan so whatever is left isn’t the deoband school of pre-partition. That is like saying denel dynamics is still the same when most of its brightest have moved to countries like the UAE and others
That's why never took em seriously
 
The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam, but the storied Islamic seminary town’s scholars and people say it is an extreme version, has nothing to do with them.

SONIYA AGRAWAL
22 August, 2021

The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint

Deoband: Deep inside Uttar Pradesh’s Saharanpur district is the town of Deoband. Its streets are filled with young men in white kurta-pajamas and white skull caps, clutching books and bags on their backs.

This, locals say, is the result of about 300 seminaries or madrasas in the town alone that houses thousands of students, many from Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh looking to attain religious education.

The town is also home to the Darul Uloom Deoband, an Islamic seminary established in 1886, which has emerged as a revered global centre for Sunni education.

The seminary and its Deobandi version of Islam have once again hit the headlines following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam but locals say that it is an extremist version that has little to do with them.

Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband, told ThePrint that the connection is only historical.


According to him, the Deobandis of India did teach their counterparts of Pakistan and Afghanistan but this was only during the 19th century when there was an effort to get the British out of the subcontinent.

“Our ancestor Maulana Mahmud Hassan Deobandi, who was also called Shaykh-al- Hind, was a freedom fighter in the Indian freedom movement,” Madani said. “In order to fight the British, he had created a jamait of freedom fighters. During this freedom movement, he sent his close ally Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi to Afghanistan to create an allied force to aid the freedom movement in India.”

“In order to create this group of allies, Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi was able to form relations with the people of Afghanistan and was able to create the first provisional government of India in Afghanistan where Mahendra Pratap Singh was declared the president and who declared a jihad against the colonial rule,” he said.

Madani said that in recent times, the town has no connection to Afghanistan.

“The person who started the freedom movement over a 100 years back in Afghanistan was a Deobandi and the Taliban claiming to be followers of Deoband are probably his followers three generations down the line,” he said.

As for students coming in from Pakistan and Afghanistan, he said, “Students from all over South Asia come here; for 800 seats, we get about 10,000 applications every year. Students are selected based on different parameters that we have.

“Students from Afghanistan or Pakistan only come here if the Indian government gives them a visa. So all students coming in, come through a formal administrative process. The government obviously has all the information about our international students.”


Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
‘Stop associating us with terror groups’
This isn’t the first time that Deoband town has attracted media attention.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in the US in 2001, The New York Times carried a piece on Deoband titled, ‘Indian town’s seed grew into the Taliban’s code’.

Now, the Indian media has begun to focus on the town and its school of Islam.

A spokesperson of the Darul Uloom, who did not want to be named, however, said they have stopped talking to the media due to “twisted narratives”.

“We are a religious school but we are also Indians. To doubt our integrity every time the Taliban spread terror is shameful,” he said.

His view was echoed by a 60-year-old farmer, who has been living in Deoband for over three generations.

“Linking terrorists with a school of religious teachings is unfair. Blaming Islam for their actions is worse,” the farmer said. “No religion in the world teaches anyone to kill or maim; neither does Islam. The Taliban have done terrible things to women and men that go against the teachings of Islam.”

Locals argue that if they indeed are proponents of radical Islam, then terror activities would have hit other countries that the students come from.

Also read: 24-year-old Afghan, a Delhi graduate, is behind the Kabul women protests against Taliban

Deoband and orthodoxy
One of the chief criticisms of the Deoband Islam is that it “promotes extreme orthodoxy”, especially when it comes to women, constricting them to their homes and denying them access to education, jobs and an equal say.

At Deoband, however, the view, among locals and the maulanas, is that they are being misrepresented.

Mohammad Arshad Faruqi, chairman of the Darul Uloom’s online fatwa services, told ThePrint that according to the teachings of Islam, women have the right to education and equal job opportunities but on the condition that they maintain purdah (condition of being fully covered).

Ziya Fatima, a 53-year-old homemaker in Deoband, said that Sharia law imposed on women in Afghanistan is extreme and does not abide by the the teachings of Islam.

“My daughters were educated; they live in the Middle East,” she said. “We go out in the market and attend to our daily chores and run our households, our religion does not restrict us from doing these things.”

“What they did to the women in Afghanistan is wrong; women should be a part of the system and given equal opportunities,” she added.


Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband's Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband’s Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The orthodoxy, however, does extend to what women wear.

Ziya Us Salam, author of the book Women In Masjid: A quest for Justice, said this is due to a “patriarchal interpretation of the Quran”.

“Women have been instructed to wear loose garments in our religious text, which is often translated into the burqa, but the same instruction has been given to men too,” he said. “Men are supposed to cover the part between their navel up to their knees with a loose garment. But we don’t see women telling men how to dress because in India, all positions of religious power across religions have been held by men.”

An ATS centre
Amid the Taliban takeover, the Uttar Pradesh government has decided to set up a training centre for Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) commandos in Deoband.

“Amid the Taliban’s savagery, here is a piece of news from UP. Yogi Ji has decided to open a commando training centre in Deoband,” CM Yogi Adityanath’s media advisor Shalabh Mani Tripathi tweeted in Hindi.

Despite the communal overtones, residents and maulanas in the area welcomed the decision. “There is nothing wrong with what we teach and we welcome the ATS staff to be a part of our classes whenever they like,” Madani said.

Residents added that it will only make them feel safer.

“It is better if they come here and find the truth. Maybe these connections they keep making between Deoband and Taliban will stop,” Tehseen Khan, a lawyer living in town, said. “In the current polarised times, we will feel safer knowing that there is a security force present in the area.”

(Edited by Arun Prashanth)


Despite sympathies, Even Darul Uloom Deoband is not recognizing Taliban
@Zarvan
the "scholars" are wrong. sure, they may think that they are Muslims later, but they are not indians first. they are actually chootias first, then indians, then Muslims. :enjoy:
 
the "scholars" are wrong. sure, they may think that they are Muslims later, but they are not indians first. they are actually chootias first, then indians, then Muslims. :enjoy:






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I'm sorry dude, I hope my post didn't cause a mess...:lol:





Cleaned it up now. But I'm still laughing........ :lol: 10 years and 200 channels but no comedy show has made me laugh more than that post of yours........:lol:.........I don't think I've laughed this much since 1995........ ...:lol:
 
Genghis khan and mughal ??????? And i don't think mughal blood exist except in few hundred , except if mughals were doing iv fertilization in that time

I ain't pakistani .
BUT DEFEINATLEY NOT A MUSLIM, NO
So anyone who don't agree with you is kafir
YOU CLEARLY NOT A MUSLIM
MUSLIM NEVER SAYS THAT HIS COMPANIONS HAD BEEN CHANGE QURAN FOR JUSTIFY KILLING, YOU'R MOST PROBELY HINDU PRETENDING TO BE MUSLIM
Let's call them what they are. Terrorists.
One "gurrilla warfare" incident happened a few hours ago in Balochistan.


At least they're not into training fighters, bomb makers and waging battle as is sadly the case across the fence where their Deobandis are a whole other animal in many respects.
YEAH, YEAH, YOU ONLY INNOCENT AND ANGEL COUNRTY IN SUBCONTINENT AND PAKISTAN ALWAYS EVIL ON YOU LOL FORGET YADEV /SARBAJEET SINGH AND LOTS OF SPYS AND TERRORISTS SEND BY YOU TO DESTABLIZE PAKISTAN, AND DON'T SPEAK CRAP ABOUT YADEV WAS ABUCTED BY ISI, YOU HAVE NO PROOFS TO PROVE THAT WE HAD ABUCTED YADEV FROM IRAN LOL

NO COUNTRY IN SUBCONTIENT ARE HAPPY WITH YOU, EVERY COUNTRY HATE YOU YOUR DIRTY GAME, EVEN BHUTAN IS AGAINST YOU

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST MESS/THREAT FOR THE PEACE OF SUBCONTIENT

AND ALL YOUR BIG TERRORIST EVENT WERE YOUR BELOVED RAW DRAMA TO DO PROPAGANDA AGAINST PAKISTAN, I CAN YOU PROVE THAT WITH LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE THAT THESE INCIDENTS WERE RAW DRAMAS, ESPECIALLY FOR MUMBAI ATTACK AND PULWAMA ATTACKS LOL
 
The fate of Indian muslims is to blurt out Vande Mataram louder than anyone constantly for the rest of their existence while being beaten with shoes.

Also, most of what was deoband school/scholar migrated to Pakistan so whatever is left isn’t the deoband school of pre-partition. That is like saying denel dynamics is still the same when most of its brightest have moved to countries like the UAE and others

Except we live with a neighbor that's in constant denial.
 
When they say we are indians first they mean plz hindu dont purge us.
 
the "scholars" are wrong. sure, they may think that they are Muslims later, but they are not indians first. they are actually chootias first, then indians, then Muslims. :enjoy:

Actually they are never going to be accepted as Indians...so Chay first, then cretins, then perhaps vermin, then maybe animals since their lives are worth less than that of a cow, then maybe Muslim.

But they can be muslims only after being Indian and since they will never be indians no matter how hard they try, so perhaps not even Muslims
 
See either you don't have the full knowledge or twist the facts because you belong to either one of these groups. It's not some of them, the foundation of their sect is based on that the other one is a non-muslim and that is why they don't pray behind each other. What's wrong with both of them is that they pass extreme judgements against the other one.


Who cares if some of them [extremists] don't consider each other Muslims. I don't think either school is 100% correct, but I can learn from both. That is the majority or mainstream position.
 
The fate of Indian muslims is to blurt out Vande Mataram louder than anyone constantly for the rest of their existence while being beaten with shoes.

Also, most of what was deoband school/scholar migrated to Pakistan so whatever is left isn’t the deoband school of pre-partition. That is like saying denel dynamics is still the same when most of its brightest have moved to countries like the UAE and others

I know it may disappoint you, but much of what you have stated is frankly not true. No Muslim goes about "blurting Vande Mataram", except for those who seek political office allied to the BJP.

Secondly, the Deoband scholars in India, are well respected around the world, even by Pakistani deoband scholars. They may have some conservative beliefs that you may be uncomfortable with, but they well within the scope of Islam.

Third, and most importantly, you base your thoughts on an article printed by The Print, a notorious anti-Muslim rag that puts Radio Rwanda to shame. I would bet 100% the author posed some idiotic questions and the answers from the people at Deoband did not even match what the author wrote. I recall somewhere else that the Deoband scholars simply said that "we are from India and have nothing to do with the Taliban and they are free to do whatever they want in their country". Note how such words were rehashed.

This is the India of today, where Muslims are repeated questioned about Muslims from all around the world, simply to evoke some controversy. Until a few years ago, it was the favorite past time of the so called journalists in India to go to Deoband, and ask for some fatwa on some stupid issue. Then those words would be twisted and published all around India with a triumphant note showing how regressive Muslims are. Deoband put an end to that by stopping the issuing of fatwas to the general public and now every fatwa is approved by a committee and posted on their website.

Another note - Self-preservation is a natural reaction when it comes to living as a minority. In a hostile country like India, those tendencies are magnified. What you may interpret as "pandering to the Hindus" or "not Muslim enough" is actually self-preservation. The more important mission here is to educate the coming generations about Islam. That is more important than engaging in hostility with the majority just to soothe the egos of a few people west of the country.
 
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