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We’re Indians first, Taliban view of Islam not ours, say Deoband Islamic Scholars (Ulema)

no sir there is no such place and thank god we dont have its not good for our country too .

and firka bandi is haram (not allowed) in islam . these sects are here as local thing . just go to anywhere else out of south asia no body knows these names even . only two major sects are recognized all over the globe shia and sunni . but here south asians have own taste of islam . :lol:
I mean,, is it not in the interest of the state of Pakistan to nurture such religious center under there own censorship,,, like Turkey for example.
Atleast, it can decrease the influence of madrassas from India based centers which are "supposedly" run by "weak"/ "Oppressed" Indian muslims.
Instead, Pakistani masses will have pious strong iman indigenous molvis who r under govt. purview to look upto for guidance.
Or do u mean to say,,,even after 70+ years,, Pak molvis r still not gud enuff n have to depend on thr bhayya brothers.
 
I mean,, is it not in the interest of the state of Pakistan to nurture such religious center under there own censorship,,, like Turkey for example.
Atleast, it can decrease the influence of madrassas from India based centers which are "supposedly" run by "weak"/ "Oppressed" Indian muslims.
Instead, Pakistani masses will have pious strong iman indigenous molvis who r under govt. purview to look upto for guidance.
Or do u mean to say,,,even after 70+ years,, Pak molvis r still not gud enuff n have to depend on thr bhayya brothers.
your idea deserve to be burnt and shot you in head . you want to open another door of hell on us ? we are hardly manage these sects and you want one more ? this much hate is not good bhai :lol: hum ne tera kya bigara hai akher . :nono:
these snakes are not good no matter how much you try . they only create more cracks in socity more bloodshed more violence and more hate nothing else . and schools or madrasas did not create a sect its ideology and interpretation of islam do . but these mullahs can make black and white from anything . for indian deobandis seculerism should be defended to last drop of blood . for pakistani deobandis seculerism is haram and seculers are kaffirs must be killed and seculers will burn in hell . tell me now ? and yet both are same and even go to each other meet ups :D even they have same flag . for afghan deobandis god bless them they even killed zoo animals and say going to zoo is haram . :lol:
 
Taliban restrictive attitude toward women is cultural, part of country side cultures even among Muslims in India. It is ancient. Deoband affirms what they already practised and cultural practise is more hard core than Islamic strictures.
 
so you are going to compare tlp with ttp here?
No pal. The deobandi mosque I pray at are not extream or support any forms of terrorism.
However I cannot speak for every Mosque that follows Darul Eloom Deoband across Asia, North America, Europe or the subcontinent.
There are certain elements of extremism and criminality in every movement including TLP, Sufi shrines etc.
 
Honestly I would really like it if we dont do this at all. If GoI does do it, then I will find it unfortunate.
Don't you think this will embolden or breath new life to anti government struggles of various groups at odds with the Union?
 
Don't you think this will embolden or breath new life to anti government struggles of various groups at odds with the Union?
There will always be people, groups, communities that dont agree with all government decisions. I'm sure a lot of Pakistanis were unhappy with Pakistan supporting the NATO, providing them the bases to bomb the Taliban. So I guess it's true for every country out there and India is not an exception.

I personally wish we should have nothing to do with the Taliban. Now, it remains to be seen what the GoI does eventually.
 
Deoband is a mid sized town but it hosts one of the largest Islamic Schools of Jurisprudence (Darul Uloom Deoband), whose ideology the Taliban is based on.
Guess u need to read history..taliban dont Darul Uloom follow deoband

I will direct you

Look up who founded akora khattach Darul Uloom and karachi Darul Uloom
 
There will always be people, groups, communities that dont agree with all government decisions. I'm sure a lot of Pakistanis were unhappy with Pakistan supporting the NATO, providing them the bases to bomb the Taliban. So I guess it's true for every country out there and India is not an exception.

I personally wish we should have nothing to do with the Taliban. Now, it remains to be seen what the GoI does eventually.

Absolutely.

Politicians have become PM citing the unpopular decision taken by a dictatorial regime much like one in India these days.

I expect many of the 2 dozen or so recognized secessionist movements to be emboldened just by Taliban takeover of major trade routes ushering a regime change.
 
I expect many of the 2 dozen or so recognized secessionist movements to be emboldened just by Taliban takeover of major trade routes ushering a regime change.
There have been these movements in the past when Taliband had taken over the last time. While the Taliban couldn't usher regime change anywhere, the terrorism took 60k Pakistani lives in the years that followed because those emboldened souls have messed with other countries.

But yes, please do quote me whenever this regime change does take place anywhere in the world due to this take over.
 
There have been these movements in the past when Taliband had taken over the last time. While the Taliban couldn't usher regime change anywhere, the terrorism took 60k Pakistani lives in the years that followed because those emboldened souls have messed with other countries.

But yes, please do quote me whenever this regime change does take place anywhere in the world due to this take over.

Yes, guerrilla fighters all over the globe will respond in their own capacities.

India was having a difficult decade in the 90s with law and order. This time around, she has already started on the backfoot.

It would be quite interesting when the fog clears and people do their own maths in art of war.
 
Islam is a very pure and simple religion, all the rot (sectarianism) that we see now was basically introduced by the same perverted indians. They put their hindu country above their religion that is why they get slaughtered like dogs on the streets of india every other day. Theese 300 million plus sissy indian muslims need to learn a thing or two from the 60k afghan Taliban if they ever want to safeguard their childrens future in india.


The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam, but the storied Islamic seminary town’s scholars and people say it is an extreme version, has nothing to do with them.

SONIYA AGRAWAL
22 August, 2021

The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint

Deoband: Deep inside Uttar Pradesh’s Saharanpur district is the town of Deoband. Its streets are filled with young men in white kurta-pajamas and white skull caps, clutching books and bags on their backs.

This, locals say, is the result of about 300 seminaries or madrasas in the town alone that houses thousands of students, many from Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh looking to attain religious education.

The town is also home to the Darul Uloom Deoband, an Islamic seminary established in 1886, which has emerged as a revered global centre for Sunni education.

The seminary and its Deobandi version of Islam have once again hit the headlines following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam but locals say that it is an extremist version that has little to do with them.

Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband, told ThePrint that the connection is only historical.


According to him, the Deobandis of India did teach their counterparts of Pakistan and Afghanistan but this was only during the 19th century when there was an effort to get the British out of the subcontinent.

“Our ancestor Maulana Mahmud Hassan Deobandi, who was also called Shaykh-al- Hind, was a freedom fighter in the Indian freedom movement,” Madani said. “In order to fight the British, he had created a jamait of freedom fighters. During this freedom movement, he sent his close ally Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi to Afghanistan to create an allied force to aid the freedom movement in India.”

“In order to create this group of allies, Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi was able to form relations with the people of Afghanistan and was able to create the first provisional government of India in Afghanistan where Mahendra Pratap Singh was declared the president and who declared a jihad against the colonial rule,” he said.

Madani said that in recent times, the town has no connection to Afghanistan.

“The person who started the freedom movement over a 100 years back in Afghanistan was a Deobandi and the Taliban claiming to be followers of Deoband are probably his followers three generations down the line,” he said.

As for students coming in from Pakistan and Afghanistan, he said, “Students from all over South Asia come here; for 800 seats, we get about 10,000 applications every year. Students are selected based on different parameters that we have.

“Students from Afghanistan or Pakistan only come here if the Indian government gives them a visa. So all students coming in, come through a formal administrative process. The government obviously has all the information about our international students.”


Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
‘Stop associating us with terror groups’
This isn’t the first time that Deoband town has attracted media attention.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in the US in 2001, The New York Times carried a piece on Deoband titled, ‘Indian town’s seed grew into the Taliban’s code’.

Now, the Indian media has begun to focus on the town and its school of Islam.

A spokesperson of the Darul Uloom, who did not want to be named, however, said they have stopped talking to the media due to “twisted narratives”.

“We are a religious school but we are also Indians. To doubt our integrity every time the Taliban spread terror is shameful,” he said.

His view was echoed by a 60-year-old farmer, who has been living in Deoband for over three generations.

“Linking terrorists with a school of religious teachings is unfair. Blaming Islam for their actions is worse,” the farmer said. “No religion in the world teaches anyone to kill or maim; neither does Islam. The Taliban have done terrible things to women and men that go against the teachings of Islam.”

Locals argue that if they indeed are proponents of radical Islam, then terror activities would have hit other countries that the students come from.

Also read: 24-year-old Afghan, a Delhi graduate, is behind the Kabul women protests against Taliban

Deoband and orthodoxy
One of the chief criticisms of the Deoband Islam is that it “promotes extreme orthodoxy”, especially when it comes to women, constricting them to their homes and denying them access to education, jobs and an equal say.

At Deoband, however, the view, among locals and the maulanas, is that they are being misrepresented.

Mohammad Arshad Faruqi, chairman of the Darul Uloom’s online fatwa services, told ThePrint that according to the teachings of Islam, women have the right to education and equal job opportunities but on the condition that they maintain purdah (condition of being fully covered).

Ziya Fatima, a 53-year-old homemaker in Deoband, said that Sharia law imposed on women in Afghanistan is extreme and does not abide by the the teachings of Islam.

“My daughters were educated; they live in the Middle East,” she said. “We go out in the market and attend to our daily chores and run our households, our religion does not restrict us from doing these things.”

“What they did to the women in Afghanistan is wrong; women should be a part of the system and given equal opportunities,” she added.


Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband's Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband’s Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The orthodoxy, however, does extend to what women wear.

Ziya Us Salam, author of the book Women In Masjid: A quest for Justice, said this is due to a “patriarchal interpretation of the Quran”.

“Women have been instructed to wear loose garments in our religious text, which is often translated into the burqa, but the same instruction has been given to men too,” he said. “Men are supposed to cover the part between their navel up to their knees with a loose garment. But we don’t see women telling men how to dress because in India, all positions of religious power across religions have been held by men.”

An ATS centre
Amid the Taliban takeover, the Uttar Pradesh government has decided to set up a training centre for Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) commandos in Deoband.

“Amid the Taliban’s savagery, here is a piece of news from UP. Yogi Ji has decided to open a commando training centre in Deoband,” CM Yogi Adityanath’s media advisor Shalabh Mani Tripathi tweeted in Hindi.

Despite the communal overtones, residents and maulanas in the area welcomed the decision. “There is nothing wrong with what we teach and we welcome the ATS staff to be a part of our classes whenever they like,” Madani said.

Residents added that it will only make them feel safer.

“It is better if they come here and find the truth. Maybe these connections they keep making between Deoband and Taliban will stop,” Tehseen Khan, a lawyer living in town, said. “In the current polarised times, we will feel safer knowing that there is a security force present in the area.”

(Edited by Arun Prashanth)


Despite sympathies, Even Darul Uloom Deoband is not recognizing Taliban
@Zarvan



The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam, but the storied Islamic seminary town’s scholars and people say it is an extreme version, has nothing to do with them.

SONIYA AGRAWAL
22 August, 2021

The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The Deoband town in Uttar Pradesh's Saharanpur district | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint

Deoband: Deep inside Uttar Pradesh’s Saharanpur district is the town of Deoband. Its streets are filled with young men in white kurta-pajamas and white skull caps, clutching books and bags on their backs.

This, locals say, is the result of about 300 seminaries or madrasas in the town alone that houses thousands of students, many from Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh looking to attain religious education.

The town is also home to the Darul Uloom Deoband, an Islamic seminary established in 1886, which has emerged as a revered global centre for Sunni education.

The seminary and its Deobandi version of Islam have once again hit the headlines following the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. The Taliban follows the Deobandi school of Islam but locals say that it is an extremist version that has little to do with them.

Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband, told ThePrint that the connection is only historical.


According to him, the Deobandis of India did teach their counterparts of Pakistan and Afghanistan but this was only during the 19th century when there was an effort to get the British out of the subcontinent.

“Our ancestor Maulana Mahmud Hassan Deobandi, who was also called Shaykh-al- Hind, was a freedom fighter in the Indian freedom movement,” Madani said. “In order to fight the British, he had created a jamait of freedom fighters. During this freedom movement, he sent his close ally Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi to Afghanistan to create an allied force to aid the freedom movement in India.”

“In order to create this group of allies, Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi was able to form relations with the people of Afghanistan and was able to create the first provisional government of India in Afghanistan where Mahendra Pratap Singh was declared the president and who declared a jihad against the colonial rule,” he said.

Madani said that in recent times, the town has no connection to Afghanistan.

“The person who started the freedom movement over a 100 years back in Afghanistan was a Deobandi and the Taliban claiming to be followers of Deoband are probably his followers three generations down the line,” he said.

As for students coming in from Pakistan and Afghanistan, he said, “Students from all over South Asia come here; for 800 seats, we get about 10,000 applications every year. Students are selected based on different parameters that we have.

“Students from Afghanistan or Pakistan only come here if the Indian government gives them a visa. So all students coming in, come through a formal administrative process. The government obviously has all the information about our international students.”


Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Arshad Madani, president of the Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and principal of the Darul Uloom Deoband | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
‘Stop associating us with terror groups’
This isn’t the first time that Deoband town has attracted media attention.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in the US in 2001, The New York Times carried a piece on Deoband titled, ‘Indian town’s seed grew into the Taliban’s code’.

Now, the Indian media has begun to focus on the town and its school of Islam.

A spokesperson of the Darul Uloom, who did not want to be named, however, said they have stopped talking to the media due to “twisted narratives”.

“We are a religious school but we are also Indians. To doubt our integrity every time the Taliban spread terror is shameful,” he said.

His view was echoed by a 60-year-old farmer, who has been living in Deoband for over three generations.

“Linking terrorists with a school of religious teachings is unfair. Blaming Islam for their actions is worse,” the farmer said. “No religion in the world teaches anyone to kill or maim; neither does Islam. The Taliban have done terrible things to women and men that go against the teachings of Islam.”

Locals argue that if they indeed are proponents of radical Islam, then terror activities would have hit other countries that the students come from.

Also read: 24-year-old Afghan, a Delhi graduate, is behind the Kabul women protests against Taliban

Deoband and orthodoxy
One of the chief criticisms of the Deoband Islam is that it “promotes extreme orthodoxy”, especially when it comes to women, constricting them to their homes and denying them access to education, jobs and an equal say.

At Deoband, however, the view, among locals and the maulanas, is that they are being misrepresented.

Mohammad Arshad Faruqi, chairman of the Darul Uloom’s online fatwa services, told ThePrint that according to the teachings of Islam, women have the right to education and equal job opportunities but on the condition that they maintain purdah (condition of being fully covered).

Ziya Fatima, a 53-year-old homemaker in Deoband, said that Sharia law imposed on women in Afghanistan is extreme and does not abide by the the teachings of Islam.

“My daughters were educated; they live in the Middle East,” she said. “We go out in the market and attend to our daily chores and run our households, our religion does not restrict us from doing these things.”

“What they did to the women in Afghanistan is wrong; women should be a part of the system and given equal opportunities,” she added.


Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband's Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
Women are allowed to study and work, say Deoband’s Islamic scholars and locals | Photo: Suraj Singh Bisht/ThePrint
The orthodoxy, however, does extend to what women wear.

Ziya Us Salam, author of the book Women In Masjid: A quest for Justice, said this is due to a “patriarchal interpretation of the Quran”.

“Women have been instructed to wear loose garments in our religious text, which is often translated into the burqa, but the same instruction has been given to men too,” he said. “Men are supposed to cover the part between their navel up to their knees with a loose garment. But we don’t see women telling men how to dress because in India, all positions of religious power across religions have been held by men.”

An ATS centre
Amid the Taliban takeover, the Uttar Pradesh government has decided to set up a training centre for Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) commandos in Deoband.

“Amid the Taliban’s savagery, here is a piece of news from UP. Yogi Ji has decided to open a commando training centre in Deoband,” CM Yogi Adityanath’s media advisor Shalabh Mani Tripathi tweeted in Hindi.

Despite the communal overtones, residents and maulanas in the area welcomed the decision. “There is nothing wrong with what we teach and we welcome the ATS staff to be a part of our classes whenever they like,” Madani said.

Residents added that it will only make them feel safer.

“It is better if they come here and find the truth. Maybe these connections they keep making between Deoband and Taliban will stop,” Tehseen Khan, a lawyer living in town, said. “In the current polarised times, we will feel safer knowing that there is a security force present in the area.”

(Edited by Arun Prashanth)


Despite sympathies, Even Darul Uloom Deoband is not recognizing Taliban
@Zarvan
 
Pakistan should rescue itself from its own evils , we muslim of india can take care of ourselves , if you have issue , please come to kashmir and die at hands of our muslim soldiers .


India isn't pakistan with a responsibility to ummah even if it for terrorist , we have our country ,you take care of yours
Wasn't this guy supposed to be an Athiest?
 
Yes, guerrilla fighters all over the globe will respond in their own
Let's call them what they are. Terrorists.
One "gurrilla warfare" incident happened a few hours ago in Balochistan.

India was having a difficult decade in the 90s with law and order. This time around, she has already started on the backfoot.
It did help with gaining the experience though. Also, we created a perception in the world about terrorism. We in fact have gained a lot in that regard thanks to the 90s.

It would be quite interesting when the fog clears and people do their own maths in art of war.
Interesting times ahead.
 
Deobandis and most Indian Muslims deserve the fascist hindu dystopia of India where they are lynched and killed for no reason, where their socio-economic condition has steadily declined since independence and where their only salvation is mass conversion back to hinduism. I wish them luck and no they don't have it in their DNA to stand up to their tormentors nor do Pakistanis living in provinces bordering India.
 
Islam is a very pure and simple religion, all the rot (sectarianism) that we see now was basically introduced by the same perverted indians. They put their hindu country above their religion that is why they get slaughtered like dogs on the streets of india every other day. Theese 300 million plus sissy indian muslims need to learn a thing or two from the 60k afghan Taliban if they ever want to safeguard their childrens future in india.


Please stop calling the Muslims. They are not.
 
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