Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Shapur]

I don't know why some people here are fixated on apparent ethnic bigotry of Afghans. I guess it's because it's directed agaibst them and they don't like it. You will find members of the same group have bigotted views about Indians, calling them black, inferrior etc. It's openly expressed at this forum. There is also culture of "Biradaries" etc where certain clans will not allow marriages of 2 conscenting muslims adukts from same ethnic group because they are different biradaries.
Yes, some Afghans might poke fun at some groups but it happens everywhere. I don't know why Afghans are being singled out and demonized

 

[Shantanu_Left]

they cannot help being straight

Basically a bunch of assholes.

I don't know why some people here are fixated on apparent ethnic bigotry of Afghans. I guess it's because it's directed agaibst them and they don't like it. You will find members of the same group have bigotted views about Indians, calling them black, inferrior etc. It's openly expressed at this forum. There is also culture of "Biradaries" etc where certain clans will not allow marriages of 2 conscenting muslims adukts from same ethnic group because they are different biradaries.
Yes, some Afghans might poke fun at some groups but it happens everywhere. I don't know why Afghans are being singled out and demonized

Sorry about it but I have been scammed and hurt by too many of your Biradari bhai's when I was in Europe.

Maybe you are an exception in that case, it's really bad to stereotype. But if I deal with you, I'm going to be extra cautious.

 

[PradoTLC]

I don't know why some people here are fixated on apparent ethnic bigotry of Afghans. I guess it's because it's directed agaibst them and they don't like it. You will find members of the same group have bigotted views about Indians, calling them black, inferrior etc. It's openly expressed at this forum. There is also culture of "Biradaries" etc where certain clans will not allow marriages of 2 conscenting muslims adukts from same ethnic group because they are different biradaries.
Yes, some Afghans might poke fun at some groups but it happens everywhere. I don't know why Afghans are being singled out and demonized

it is the piss poor manner you people conduct them selves that creates such a poor impression.

Basically a bunch of assholes.

a combative mentality that doesnt know when to stop. they think every one is their enemy

 

[Ladyuk]

He is a Bharti troll embarrassed of his flags.


In reality world things doesn't work the way Afghanistan is /was thinking. Referendum was granted, Abdul ghaffar Khan was a ghulam of Bharti and he could participate and vote for bhart, but he knew the reality. You can't cry foul if you boycott the opportunity. Secondly most people in NWFP didn't participated either out of fear of backlash from such lawless elites or because they were already mentally Pakistanis. Those who participated were also in majority who favored Pakistan. Hence the chapter closed.

BTW can you post the source about Jinnah announcing joint governance.



There is no such thing as verbally promising. Either there is a statement by officials which is well documented or there are agreements. Kindly post the quoted statement or pic of an agreement.



Nonsense, Punjabis make up slightly above 44% not 60% of population.
@ziaulislam

It's not nonsense as ive mentioned my family worked for the civil service and saw the demographic data for example azad kashmir is considered disputed territory but the people there are pothwari speaking punjabis. Punjab alone has appr 110 million people that more than 44% and yes there are non punjabis living but not many when you factor in hindiko speaking punjabis like me and people in azad kashmir then my numbers are correct.

There is no doubt that there is hate for the state of Pakistan amongst Afghans. I'll list the reasons why each ethnic group says they hate Pakistani state (not the people of Pakistan).

Tajiks and Uzbeks - Pakistan supports Taliban/Gulbuddin or other Pashtun religious factions against them. Interferes in internal politics favouring one side.

Pashtuns - Territorial dispute, Durand Line seperates Pashtuns. Pakistani states 2 faced policy. First support Taliban and religious factions to make sure no nationalistic Afghan government is formed and then betray Taliban and these religious groups by siding with foreign invaders in 2001 and providing them full support for dollars etc.

Baluch - Pakistan along with Iran and Afghanistan hold their Baluch territories and are an obstacke to an independent Baluch state.

Hazara - They see Pakistani support for Sunni extremist groups as a threat to themselves.

The hate is generally for Pakistani state policy. There is no hatred for Pakistani people.

That's simply not true it's like me saying I hate Afghanistan but not the people. Anyone who lives in pakistan and has had any interactions with afghans will tell the extreme racist views majority afghans hold. You can see by the replays on this very thread people's personal experiences including mine.

As far a Afghanistan internal politics is conserned just read my posts.

 

[PradoTLC]

The hate is generally for Pakistani state policy. There is no hatred for Pakistani people.

This is complete non sense. You behave badly with Pakistanis in Pakistan.

Tajiks and Uzbeks - Pakistan supports Taliban/Gulbuddin or other Pashtun religious factions against them. Interferes in internal politics favouring one side.

Pashtuns - Territorial dispute, Durand Line seperates Pashtuns. Pakistani states 2 faced policy. First support Taliban and religious factions to make sure no nationalistic Afghan government is formed and then betray Taliban and these religious groups by siding with foreign invaders in 2001 and providing them full support for dollars etc.

Baluch - Pakistan along with Iran and Afghanistan hold their Baluch territories and are an obstacke to an independent Baluch state.

Hazara - They see Pakistani support for Sunni extremist groups as a threat to themselves

I can list a 100+ issues Afgan state has done, from terror bombing in Pakistan to supporting armed raids from their to narcotics, to stealing of toyota corolla cars from Pakistan.

FYI one of the reason of the creation was due to the mass chaos that was going around in Afganistan in mid 1990s

 

[Shapur]

That's simply not true it's like me saying I hate Afghanistan but not the people. Anyone who lives in pakistan and has had any interactions with afghans will tell the extreme racist views majority afghans hold. You can see by the replays on this very thread people's personal experiences including mine.

As far a Afghanistan internal politics is conserned just read my posts.

I disagree with that. You can hate the state of Isreal or Isreali government policies but it doesn't mean you hate jews. Similarly you can hate the Afghanistan or Pakistani state and institutions without hating the Afghan and Pakistani people. There is a big difference.

Afghans can't be racist to Pakistanis because we are from the same caucasian race. Even then race is a loosley defined term. Yes, I admit that Afghans have biggotted views against certain groups but this disease is not unique to Afghans. For example, the English And Scots have fought hundreds of wars and there are certain biggoted views amongst both nations but they still are part of a united kingdom. I guess it's just human nature. Only enlightened beings who are far few in between rise above their social conditioning...

This is complete non sense. You behave badly with Pakistanis in Pakistan.
I can list a 100+ issues Afgan state has done, from terror bombing in Pakistan to supporting armed raids from their to narcotics, to stealing of toyota corolla cars from Pakistan.

FYI one of the reason of the creation was due to the mass chaos that was going around in Afganistan in mid 1990s

There are Pakistani origin grooming gangs in the UK who rape innocent white girls. There are Afghans drug gangs in the UK who ruin lives. They make trouble for the country they live. Should we paint all Pakistanis and Afghans with the same brush?

You have to look at the wider social context of why these people do what they do, simply pointing fingers doesn't resolve anything. I am sure you are wise enough to realise that

 

[PradoTLC]

There are Pakistani origin grooming gangs in the UK who rape innocent white girls. There are Afghans drug gangs in the UK who ruin lives. They make trouble for the country they live. Should we paint all Pakistanis and Afghans with the same brush?

You have to look at the wider social context of why these people do what they do, simply pointing fingers doesn't resolve anything. I am sure you are wise enough to realise that

your attempt paint this is as a case of few bad apples is hilarous..

In general people in Pakistan think little of you people because of your poor conduct on a large scale. We gave you shelter where no other country gave you and yet you spit on those very same people. And even now the afgan peace process is largely due to efforts PM IK not any Afgan.

now about so called criminal activity in UK... so what?... they UK citizens?...no?... not our problem. Not relevant our discussion.

 

[Ladyuk]

I disagree with that. You can hate the state of Isreal or Isreali government policies but it doesn't mean you hate jews. Similarly you can hate the Afghanistan or Pakistani state and institutions without hating the Afghan and Pakistani people. There is a big difference.

Afghans can't be racist to Pakistanis because we are from the same caucasian race. Even then race is a loosley defined term. Yes, I admit that Afghans have biggotted views against certain groups but this disease is not unique to Afghans. For example, the English And Scots have fought hundreds of wars and there are certain biggoted views amongst both nations but they still are part of a united kingdom. I guess it's just human nature. Only enlightened beings who are far few in between rise above their social conditioning...

Shapur, seriously there is no question in comparing the dislike a Scot might have with a Englishmen to the racial supremacy that vast majority of afghans believe in you know very will that your fellow afghans think they are some kind of aryan master race.
I have been on the receiving end of this numerous occasions you can read my replys on this thread about friends that I grew up with who had pak pathan fathers and Punjabi and kashmiri mother's and how much racism they suffered from their dad's side of the family. Honestly I have never met other mixed heritage kids whos own family racial abused them due to their mothers ethnicity.

Now as far as pashtunistan and movements like ptm are conserned you can deny it but you know very well the underlying factor is racial supremacy. I have had many interactions with afghans in life as well as online they admit to this claiming that because some past rulers were Afghan that ruled over pak/India they feel today they should be ruling our country.

What qualifies them for this? According to them there ethnicity and skin colour, gives them a right to rule over kalya punjabis. That in a nutshell is what the pashtunistan and ptm movement is really about.

 

[Shapur]

your attempt paint this is as a case of few bad apples is hilarous..

In general people in Pakistan think little of you because of your conduct on a large scale. We gave you shelter where no other country gave you and yet you spit on those very same people. And even now the afgan peace process is largely due to efforts PM IK not any Afgan.

now about so called criminal activity in UK... so what?... they UK citizens?...no?... not our problem. Not relevant our discussion.

If it makes you happy then I'll admit ALL Afghans are bad people inherently and ALL Pakistanis are good inherently.

 

[pakpride00090]

That is the reason why I don't give a flying **** when Afghans are killed ( both taliban and others) ... Afghans are enemies of Pakistan. Remember, they were the only country to not recognize us in 1947...

Let these Afghans kill each other, let us seal our borders and kick all these namak haram afghans out....

 

[Shapur]

Shapur, seriously there is no question in comparing the dislike a Scot might have with a Englishmen to the racial supremacy that vast majority of afghans believe in you know very will that your fellow afghans think they are some kind of aryan master race.
I have been on the receiving end of this numerous occasions you can read my replys on this thread about friends that I grew up with who had pak pathan fathers and Punjabi and kashmiri mother's and how much racism they suffered from their dad's side of the family. Honestly I have never met other mixed heritage kids whos own family racial abused them due to their mothers ethnicity.

Now as far as pashtunistan and movements like ptm are conserned you can deny it but you know very well the underlying factor is racial supremacy. I have had many interactions with afghans in life as well as online they admit to this claiming that because some past rulers were Afghan that ruled over pak/India they feel today they should be ruling our country.

What qualifies them for this? According to them there ethnicity and skin colour, gives them a right to rule over kalya punjabis. That in a nutshell is what the pashtunistan and ptm movement is really about.

I feel like I am going in circles. As I said previously bigotry of any kind is not confined to a particular ethnic group and views and opinions change all the time. As I admitted previously, there is definitely some biggoted views amongst Afghans about other ethnic groups and even within Afghan sub groups. Wouldn't you agree thay similar attitudes exist in Punjabi community. I too have personal experience with Mirpuri families in the UK refusing to let 2 adults marry each other based on the fact they were from different Biradaries. Now, how's that different to what you are saying about Afghans. Imagine this happens in the UK, God know whay happens in Pakistan.

There is no Aryan master race BS. That's just Nazi propaganda. Yes, Pashtuns are Iranic or Aryan people simply because our language is classified as an Iranic language. If that makes some people feel supperior to others. That's their problem.

Yes Afghans did rule over subcontinent but Indics also ruled over Afghans (Maurya, Gupta empires etc). That's all history so what.
Moat Afghans want to undo whay they feel the Britiah did to their homeland by dividing it in half. We have no desire of ruling anyone else. We wanted to be united ina single state for the sake of preservation of our cultural identity and language. Even if that's not possible, we want to be able to freely interact across the border and develop and preserve our identity. We don't want to be divided by labels of Pakistani and Afghan. I don't think that's racist or superior but natural human right.
Some people want to paint everything as racist in order to subdue even legitimate demands. They use religion as their favourite tool to do this.

 

[PradoTLC]

If it makes you happy then I'll admit ALL Afghans are bad people inherently and ALL Pakistanis are good inherently.

I am telling you the general perception of 220m Pakistanis...

you are welcome to take your 2.5M pals back to any country that highly values of your “civilization”...

India with your bhahi - babu slogan is a good start...

I hear they even have road side hotdog meals..

 

[pakpride00090]

I am telling you the general perception of 220m Pakistanis...

you are welcome to take you 2.5M pals back to any country that highly values of your “civilization”

So proud of their civilization but yet living under Kaliyas ...lol

I have noticed... The more regressive a nation is , the more it doubles down on false arrogance and pride.

Going back hundreds of years to prove a point just validates how shitty your current situation is...

 

[PradoTLC]

So proud of their civilization but yet living under Kaliyas ...lol

I have noticed... The more regressive a nation is , the more it doubles down on false arrogance and pride.

Going back hundreds of years to prove a point just validates how shitty your current situation is...

Nothing wrong with pride.

but behaving like complete assholes is another thing ..

 

[pakpride00090]

Nothing wrong with pride.

but behaving like complete assholes is another thing ..

Pride backed with real and tangible achievements...

I only see false pride.